US soldier throws puppy off cliff

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
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Front page on Foxnews.. :Q

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
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CNN has it now also... well you can say that douche is fried now..

Oh man... That guy is owned now...

Damn. But what if it's fake? Would the person who did it be up for any disciplinary action?

I really don't think its fake for the fact that I don't think those marines would go through all that trouble (editing/etc) to show them throwing a puppy off a cliff? I mean wtf ...that doesn't make sense. Like the video that was posted a few weeks ago showing the guy jumping off a building and then getting up and walking away...at least that's somewhat cool. This video is just disgusting...it makes no sense that someone would FAKE something like this.

To be honest, if they came out and proved it was fake by showing their work, and then explained they did it just to get a rise out of the various animal activist groups....I'd laugh. Even though it's in poor taste, and I'd still consider them to be sicko douchebags, I'd be forced to laugh out of the sheer effectiveness of their project.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
Text

Front page on Foxnews.. :Q

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
Text

CNN has it now also... well you can say that douche is fried now..

Oh man... That guy is owned now...

Damn. But what if it's fake? Would the person who did it be up for any disciplinary action?

I really don't think its fake for the fact that I don't think those marines would go through all that trouble (editing/etc) to show them throwing a puppy off a cliff? I mean wtf ...that doesn't make sense. Like the video that was posted a few weeks ago showing the guy jumping off a building and then getting up and walking away...at least that's somewhat cool. This video is just disgusting...it makes no sense that someone would FAKE something like this.

To be honest, if they came out and proved it was fake by showing their work, and then explained they did it just to get a rise out of the various animal activist groups....I'd laugh. Even though it's in poor taste, and I'd still consider them to be sicko douchebags, I'd be forced to laugh out of the sheer effectiveness of their project.

I guess we will see, since the major news channels are in on the investigation and the military is cooperating.

 

[Analog]

Here is a screen capture of the guy's bebo account...

http://infowars.com/images/motari.jpg

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: Analog
Here is a screen capture of the guy's bebo account...

http://infowars.com/images/motari.jpg

Damn looks like people got to it before he took it off/private ("white board" posts)

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: sirjonk
How hard is it to say "It was fake!"

"Go away" = yeah, he did it.

I like how the marines are investigating and "trying to find out" who the guy is, despite his name being said in the video. Oh, and that 10 minutes of internet sleuthing revealed various personal accounts. No wonder the marines are still searching for insurgents after 5 years if they're run by a bunch of imcompetants who can't find one of their own soldiers after being identified by name and picture.

No. The woman saying "Go away" = Oh my God, I'm just the wife who had no idea about it and suddenly I'm being inundated with calls from either the news or people threatening me.

I mean, obviously the guy's a douche bag, but what would you expect an unknowing family member to do?

Say "It's a fake, I'm not taking questions, bye." IF he was innocent. If he did it I'd expect her to say "go away".

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Josh
According to YouTube, the soldier's information is:

David Mortari
2***9 Florence Acres Rd
Monroe, WA 98272-9662
(360) ***-7191

You can find all the info on youtube, don't know if its alright to post it here..or if it is even true..

Why would they post his information on there? Sounds like a setup to me..

Exactly. This sounds like one person viciously setting up someone else for some devious reason.

Maybe not

Darn, the power of the internet......this is unraveling fast.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Analog
Here is a screen capture of the guy's bebo account...

http://infowars.com/images/motari.jpg

Damn looks like people got to it before he took it off/private ("white board" posts)

Damn, he is going to get fucked up by some one, be it the military or a vigilant citizen.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Josh
According to YouTube, the soldier's information is:

David Mortari
2***9 Florence Acres Rd
Monroe, WA 98272-9662
(360) ***-7191

You can find all the info on youtube, don't know if its alright to post it here..or if it is even true..

Why would they post his information on there? Sounds like a setup to me..

Exactly. This sounds like one person viciously setting up someone else for some devious reason.

Maybe not

Darn, the power of the internet......this is unraveling fast.

Yea, all it took was the name Mortari. Unique name.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: sirjonk
How hard is it to say "It was fake!"

"Go away" = yeah, he did it.

I like how the marines are investigating and "trying to find out" who the guy is, despite his name being said in the video. Oh, and that 10 minutes of internet sleuthing revealed various personal accounts. No wonder the marines are still searching for insurgents after 5 years if they're run by a bunch of imcompetants who can't find one of their own soldiers after being identified by name and picture.

No. The woman saying "Go away" = Oh my God, I'm just the wife who had no idea about it and suddenly I'm being inundated with calls from either the news or people threatening me.

I mean, obviously the guy's a douche bag, but what would you expect an unknowing family member to do?

Say "It's a fake, I'm not taking questions, bye." IF he was innocent. If he did it I'd expect her to say "go away".

Maybe she didn't know if it's fake or not, she did say she had no idea about it and then being bombarded by calls.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I just watched the video, honestly, the dog looks like it's been dead for a while, probably roadkill. It looks stiff and doesn't move at all, like it's stuck. While it's possibly real, possible that the dog was switched out for a stuffed one right as he went to throw it, I think it was most likely already dead and the soldiers did the video to get a rise out of people.

...now, if it IS real, they're going to find out what being court marshal procedures are like real fast.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
I just watched the video, honestly, the dog looks like it's been dead for a while, probably roadkill. It looks stiff and doesn't move at all, like it's stuck. While it's possibly real, possible that the dog was switched out for a stuffed one right as he went to throw it, I think it was most likely already dead and the soldiers did the video to get a rise out of people.

...now, if it IS real, they're going to find out what being court marshal procedures are like real fast.

I advise you read the first couple pages of this thread. The motionlessness of the dog is easily accounted for, and the yelping sound very much match the dog's size and fear.

It's shaping up like this is very much real. No denials, even though the soldier KNOWS his family has been harassed at home and many personal threats have been made.
The fact that this seems to have occurred OUTSIDE of war is even more disturbing and shocking. This man is gonna get fried.
Now, I want to know his motives. To record a video of you hurling a puppy over a cliff is rather devious. What's the point of the recording? His bebo page seemed to point to happiness he is getting out of the USMC soon. Did he really want to tarnish the image of Marines and Soldiers?
The kid is fucked up and deserves whatever is coming to him.
That is all.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

since when is killing puppies against the rules of war. Sadly the insurgents use animals in their attacks. Attaching IEDs to them or other such things. After one or two stray dogs wander to close to your convoy and miraculously explode you may start to take a different stance on the necessity of their existence.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
I just watched the video, honestly, the dog looks like it's been dead for a while, probably roadkill. It looks stiff and doesn't move at all, like it's stuck. While it's possibly real, possible that the dog was switched out for a stuffed one right as he went to throw it, I think it was most likely already dead and the soldiers did the video to get a rise out of people.

...now, if it IS real, they're going to find out what being court marshal procedures are like real fast.

It is NOT dead.

A good friend of mine is a vet, and I've had three litters of puppies. When the pup is held by the scruff of the neck, like its mother would do when carting it around (and I've seen mother dogs do this), the pups instinctively go limp. This is an instinctive reaction so that they don't get hurt while the mother has it in her jaws while moving. Imagine if the pup is flailing around, and you'll understand what I mean.

I've held pups like that, and they DO go limp. Try it on a small puppy sometime. You'll see what I'm talking about.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
since when is killing puppies against the rules of war. Sadly the insurgents use animals in their attacks. Attaching IEDs to them or other such things. After one or two stray dogs wander to close to your convoy and miraculously explode you may start to take a different stance on the necessity of their existence.

Yeah, I'll start picking them up. That's the safest way to counter such aggressive terrorist measures.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
I just watched the video, honestly, the dog looks like it's been dead for a while, probably roadkill. It looks stiff and doesn't move at all, like it's stuck. While it's possibly real, possible that the dog was switched out for a stuffed one right as he went to throw it, I think it was most likely already dead and the soldiers did the video to get a rise out of people.

...now, if it IS real, they're going to find out what being court marshal procedures are like real fast.

I advise you read the first couple pages of this thread. The motionlessness of the dog is easily accounted for, and the yelping sound very much match the dog's size and fear.

It's shaping up like this is very much real. No denials, even though the soldier KNOWS his family has been harassed at home and many personal threats have been made.
The fact that this seems to have occurred OUTSIDE of war is even more disturbing and shocking. This man is gonna get fried.
Now, I want to know his motives. To record a video of you hurling a puppy over a cliff is rather devious. What's the point of the recording? His bebo page seemed to point to happiness he is getting out of the USMC soon. Did he really want to tarnish the image of Marines and Soldiers?
The kid is fucked up and deserves whatever is coming to him.
That is all.

Once again, don't believe everything you see and read. Wouldn't it be possible that the yelping sound was put into the video?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
since when is killing puppies against the rules of war. Sadly the insurgents use animals in their attacks. Attaching IEDs to them or other such things. After one or two stray dogs wander to close to your convoy and miraculously explode you may start to take a different stance on the necessity of their existence.

Yeah, I'll start picking them up. That's the safest way to counter such aggressive terrorist measures.

Yeah since they aren't using this animal I'll leave it behind so they can use it next time. :roll:

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
I just watched the video, honestly, the dog looks like it's been dead for a while, probably roadkill. It looks stiff and doesn't move at all, like it's stuck. While it's possibly real, possible that the dog was switched out for a stuffed one right as he went to throw it, I think it was most likely already dead and the soldiers did the video to get a rise out of people.

...now, if it IS real, they're going to find out what being court marshal procedures are like real fast.

I advise you read the first couple pages of this thread. The motionlessness of the dog is easily accounted for, and the yelping sound very much match the dog's size and fear.

It's shaping up like this is very much real. No denials, even though the soldier KNOWS his family has been harassed at home and many personal threats have been made.
The fact that this seems to have occurred OUTSIDE of war is even more disturbing and shocking. This man is gonna get fried.
Now, I want to know his motives. To record a video of you hurling a puppy over a cliff is rather devious. What's the point of the recording? His bebo page seemed to point to happiness he is getting out of the USMC soon. Did he really want to tarnish the image of Marines and Soldiers?
The kid is fucked up and deserves whatever is coming to him.
That is all.

Once again, don't believe everything you see and read. Wouldn't it be possible that the yelping sound was put into the video?

The puppy is real. Look at its face and skin. Very real.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
since when is killing puppies against the rules of war. Sadly the insurgents use animals in their attacks. Attatching ieds to them or other such things.

nobody has said its against ROE or anything the Geneva Convention has set up. However, there are tactics, there are reasons, and there are humane methods of putting stray animals down. If this occurred in Iraq or Afghanistan, and he put a bullet to the head or snapped the puppy's neck... that's one thing. It'd be sad, but sometimes shit has to be done. Those in the military, especially those who have seen combat, are going to be more apt to be the one to take that kind of problem into their own hands. But there are ways you do it.

What the video showcased... that was not a tactic of war. It was a not a humane way of putting the dog down. Hell, it appears the dog isn't even wounded or injured, and those in the video make no effort to even describe the puppy has having been harmed beforehand and thus needing to put it down. He hurled it off a cliff. And then another person chimed in: "that's mean...". You wouldn't say that's mean if it was putting the animal out of its misery for its own good. You would merely chime in with something that is describing that its shitty, sucks to have been needed to have even occurred, but it was for the good of the animal [in distress].

There appears to be no point to this incident other than the 'fun' of hurling a puppy over a cliff to its death. That's fucked up.
The fact that this seems to have occurred somewhere Stateside and away from war? Even more fucked up.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
since when is killing puppies against the rules of war. Sadly the insurgents use animals in their attacks. Attatching ieds to them or other such things.

nobody has said its against ROE or anything the Geneva Convention has set up. However, there are tactics, there are reasons, and there are humane methods of putting stray animals down. If this occurred in Iraq or Afghanistan, and he put a bullet to the head or snapped the puppy's neck... that's one thing. It'd be sad, but sometimes shit has to be done. Those in the military, especially those who have seen combat, are going to be more apt to be the one to take that kind of problem into their own hands. But there are ways you do it.

What the video showcased... that was not a tactic of war. It was a not a humane way of putting the dog down. Hell, it appears the dog isn't even wounded or injured, and those in the video make no effort to even describe the puppy has having been harmed beforehand and thus needing to put it down. He hurled it off a cliff. And then another person chimed in: "that's mean...". You wouldn't say that's mean if it was putting the animal out of its misery for its own good. You would merely chime in with something that is describing that its shitty, sucks to have been needed to have even occurred, but it was for the good of the animal [in distress].

There appears to be no point to this incident other than the 'fun' of hurling a puppy over a cliff to its death. That's fucked up.
The fact that this seems to have occurred somewhere Stateside and away from war? Even more fucked up.

didn't know it was stateside. Saw they were all geared up and assumed it was in a war zone.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
I just watched the video, honestly, the dog looks like it's been dead for a while, probably roadkill. It looks stiff and doesn't move at all, like it's stuck. While it's possibly real, possible that the dog was switched out for a stuffed one right as he went to throw it, I think it was most likely already dead and the soldiers did the video to get a rise out of people.

...now, if it IS real, they're going to find out what being court marshal procedures are like real fast.

I advise you read the first couple pages of this thread. The motionlessness of the dog is easily accounted for, and the yelping sound very much match the dog's size and fear.

It's shaping up like this is very much real. No denials, even though the soldier KNOWS his family has been harassed at home and many personal threats have been made.
The fact that this seems to have occurred OUTSIDE of war is even more disturbing and shocking. This man is gonna get fried.
Now, I want to know his motives. To record a video of you hurling a puppy over a cliff is rather devious. What's the point of the recording? His bebo page seemed to point to happiness he is getting out of the USMC soon. Did he really want to tarnish the image of Marines and Soldiers?
The kid is fucked up and deserves whatever is coming to him.
That is all.

Once again, don't believe everything you see and read. Wouldn't it be possible that the yelping sound was put into the video?

The puppy is real. Look at its face and skin. Very real.

Even if somehow he got a robotic toy puppy that looks real, and added in yelping sounds to an obviously low quality video (maybe he had a high-definition camera and editing tools, and then converted it to a low quality internet video? he should be a director! that shit sells!)... the mere idea of creating a video like this is a little disturbing. There are many ways to get a rise out of people for the hell of it... this would be one of the worst ways to do so in our society.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
since when is killing puppies against the rules of war. Sadly the insurgents use animals in their attacks. Attatching ieds to them or other such things.

nobody has said its against ROE or anything the Geneva Convention has set up. However, there are tactics, there are reasons, and there are humane methods of putting stray animals down. If this occurred in Iraq or Afghanistan, and he put a bullet to the head or snapped the puppy's neck... that's one thing. It'd be sad, but sometimes shit has to be done. Those in the military, especially those who have seen combat, are going to be more apt to be the one to take that kind of problem into their own hands. But there are ways you do it.

What the video showcased... that was not a tactic of war. It was a not a humane way of putting the dog down. Hell, it appears the dog isn't even wounded or injured, and those in the video make no effort to even describe the puppy has having been harmed beforehand and thus needing to put it down. He hurled it off a cliff. And then another person chimed in: "that's mean...". You wouldn't say that's mean if it was putting the animal out of its misery for its own good. You would merely chime in with something that is describing that its shitty, sucks to have been needed to have even occurred, but it was for the good of the animal [in distress].

There appears to be no point to this incident other than the 'fun' of hurling a puppy over a cliff to its death. That's fucked up.
The fact that this seems to have occurred somewhere Stateside and away from war? Even more fucked up.

didn't know it was stateside. Saw they were all geared up and assumed it was in a war zone.

Nobody knows where its at. I was making a reference to recent developments in the story.

He was deployed to Iraq, but has since returned to base that is on one of the Hawaiian islands.
You train constantly and are in full gear for training more often than not. So if this did occur near his base, that explains why they were in full gear.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
since when is killing puppies against the rules of war. Sadly the insurgents use animals in their attacks. Attaching IEDs to them or other such things. After one or two stray dogs wander to close to your convoy and miraculously explode you may start to take a different stance on the necessity of their existence.

Yeah, I'll start picking them up. That's the safest way to counter such aggressive terrorist measures.

No shit. No one would have cared if there was a fucking bomb strapped to it and they blew it up from 50 yards away. Indeed, I have no problem with drivers staying on course and running over strays who fail to get out of the way of convoys. You can apply a whole slew of wartime scenarios where it's completely appropriate to kill an animal.

The problem here is (assuming the video isn't a fake) that picking a harmless and defensive puppy and tossing it off a cliff is so indicative of a fucked up and sociopathic mind that the guy needs to be taken out of the fight. He also needs to be held responsible for his conduct, even if that only means being discharged.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
Text

Front page on Foxnews.. :Q

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
Text

CNN has it now also... well you can say that douche is fried now..

Oh man... That guy is owned now...

Damn. But what if it's fake? Would the person who did it be up for any disciplinary action?

I really don't think its fake for the fact that I don't think those marines would go through all that trouble (editing/etc) to show them throwing a puppy off a cliff? I mean wtf ...that doesn't make sense. Like the video that was posted a few weeks ago showing the guy jumping off a building and then getting up and walking away...at least that's somewhat cool. This video is just disgusting...it makes no sense that someone would FAKE something like this.

have you never seen a horror movie, especially the more recent crop?

even if you don't think that counts, people are fucked up...

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
since when is killing puppies against the rules of war. Sadly the insurgents use animals in their attacks. Attatching ieds to them or other such things.

nobody has said its against ROE or anything the Geneva Convention has set up. However, there are tactics, there are reasons, and there are humane methods of putting stray animals down. If this occurred in Iraq or Afghanistan, and he put a bullet to the head or snapped the puppy's neck... that's one thing. It'd be sad, but sometimes shit has to be done. Those in the military, especially those who have seen combat, are going to be more apt to be the one to take that kind of problem into their own hands. But there are ways you do it.

What the video showcased... that was not a tactic of war. It was a not a humane way of putting the dog down. Hell, it appears the dog isn't even wounded or injured, and those in the video make no effort to even describe the puppy has having been harmed beforehand and thus needing to put it down. He hurled it off a cliff. And then another person chimed in: "that's mean...". You wouldn't say that's mean if it was putting the animal out of its misery for its own good. You would merely chime in with something that is describing that its shitty, sucks to have been needed to have even occurred, but it was for the good of the animal [in distress].

There appears to be no point to this incident other than the 'fun' of hurling a puppy over a cliff to its death. That's fucked up.
The fact that this seems to have occurred somewhere Stateside and away from war? Even more fucked up.

didn't know it was stateside. Saw they were all geared up and assumed it was in a war zone.

Nobody knows where its at. I was making a reference to recent developments in the story.

He was deployed to Iraq, but has since returned to base that is on one of the Hawaiian islands.
You train constantly and are in full gear for training more often than not. So if this did occur near his base, that explains why they were in full gear.

terrain looked like it could have been over there in the sand box but then again the go to the deserts on the west coast prior to deployment to get condition for the sandbox....

 

[Phokus]

Unfortunately, the Marines are letting a lot of criminals and mentally unbalanced people in these days. The majority of them are normal, but we now have street gangsters going into the marines now and coming back as highly trained killers.