US soldier throws puppy off cliff

[Bulk Beef]

You don't get discharged under an Art. 15. It's non-judicial punishment. Loss of pay, loss of rank, extra duty, etc.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
You don't get discharged under an Art. 15. It's non-judicial punishment. Loss of pay, loss of rank, extra duty, etc.

If you were replying to me, then section 8 or whatever it is when you're declared mentally unfit for service.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
You don't get discharged under an Art. 15. It's non-judicial punishment. Loss of pay, loss of rank, extra duty, etc.

If you were replying to me, then section 8 or whatever it is when you're declared mentally unfit for service.

That simply wont happen because he's not mentally unfit for service. Once again, it is a puppy. Now if he showed a tendancy to do this often then perhaps a psyche eval is in line.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: TallBill
For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No.

Insane is kinda broad, but if you laugh watching kids get run over by trucks then you shot passed "abnormal" a few hundred miles ago. You need to talk to someone.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: OhSnap688
If this is real, I hope he gets sent to Iraq and dies.

You must be seriously mentally handicapped.
Wishing someone to die in Iraq for a misjudgment on his part of harming/killing the puppy.
The guy is obviously poor at making the correct decisions, but to hope that he dies over a puppy being killed.

You're a bright one indeed.

 

[Xylitol]

IT'S FAKE
that is why youtube is removing the video left and right

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: OhSnap688
If this is real, I hope he gets sent to Iraq and dies.

You must be seriously mentally handicapped.
Wishing someone to die in Iraq for a misjudgment on his part of harming/killing the puppy.
The guy is obviously poor at making the correct decisions, but to hope that he dies over a puppy being killed.

You're a bright one indeed.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is found dead soon. Either self-inflicted or murdered.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: TallBill
For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No.

Insane is kinda broad, but if you laugh watching kids get run over by trucks then you shot passed "abnormal" a few hundred miles ago. You need to talk to someone.

Not really. On that same day a child placed a land mine on the exit to a building where I was working. My point is, you have an entirely different mentality over there. People shouldn't be focusing their efforts on real war attrocities, not someone who killed a dog.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
IT'S FAKE
that is why youtube is removing the video left and right

No, it violates the EULA.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: TallBill
For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No.

Insane is kinda broad, but if you laugh watching kids get run over by trucks then you shot passed "abnormal" a few hundred miles ago. You need to talk to someone.

Not really. On that same day a child placed a land mine on the exit to a building where I was working. My point is, you have an entirely different mentality over there. People shouldn't be focusing their efforts on real war attrocities, not someone who killed a dog.

That's what people don't understand. Playful child one second, murderer the next.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: TallBill
For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No.

Insane is kinda broad, but if you laugh watching kids get run over by trucks then you shot passed "abnormal" a few hundred miles ago. You need to talk to someone.

Not really. On that same day a child placed a land mine on the exit to a building where I was working. My point is, you have an entirely different mentality over there. People shouldn't be focusing their efforts on real war attrocities, not someone who killed a dog.

Well take the fuck care of yourself till you get outta there man.

 

[jersiq]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: TallBill
For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No.

Insane is kinda broad, but if you laugh watching kids get run over by trucks then you shot passed "abnormal" a few hundred miles ago. You need to talk to someone.

Not really. On that same day a child placed a land mine on the exit to a building where I was working. My point is, you have an entirely different mentality over there. People shouldn't be focusing their efforts on real war attrocities, not someone who killed a dog.

That's what people don't understand. Playful child one second, murderer the next.

Maybe I misread, but it sounds like it was a different kid the way he wrote it.
And yes, if to this day you feel absolutely no remorse for having laughed when someone else died (as long as I have read your post correctly) I would have to repectfully agree with sirjonk.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Well take the fuck care of yourself till you get outta there man.

I've been home for a few months now.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Xylitol
IT'S FAKE
that is why youtube is removing the video left and right

No, it violates the EULA.

which part of the EULA - i haven't bothered reading the whole thing

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: jersiq

Maybe I misread, but it sounds like it was a different kid the way he wrote it.
And yes, if to this day you feel absolutely no remorse for having laughed when someone else died (as long as I have read your post correctly) I would have to repectfully agree with sirjonk.

Edit for clarification - The only people insane in this thread are the ones wishing death on a human over the killing of an animal. There is proper punishment for animal abuse and it does not include death.

 

[BladeVenom]

All the dog worshipers are insane. Insulting and threatening humans over just another dead stray dog.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Xylitol
IT'S FAKE
that is why youtube is removing the video left and right

No, it violates the EULA.

which part of the EULA - i haven't bothered reading the whole thing

Originally posted by: YouTube EULA

[*]Don't post videos showing bad stuff like animal abuse, drug abuse, or bomb making.

[*]Graphic or gratuitous violence is not allowed. If your video shows someone getting hurt, attacked, or humiliated, don't post it.

[*]YouTube is not a shock site. Don't post gross-out videos of accidents, dead bodies and similar things.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: destrekor

I sure hope you haven't gotten yourself to be like him. That'd be more fuel for the flamers that say war makes men cold and emotionless machines (on and off the battlefield).

Sigh.. I have not killed any puppies but could care less if anyone else does. War does tend to make emotion disappear. I've seen and laughed at a lot of stuff that "regular" people would probably be disgusted at. No need to call them flamers, the military is a machine. I'm sure that this guy will be given an article 15 according to regulation just like a few of my buddies got for shooting a few dogs.

This I understand, and I fully realize that it needs to occur. The military is indeed a machine, and that is necessary for its effectiveness. HOWEVER... as humans, and as civilians of the society your fighting for (in Iraq's case, that last part is shadowy by still very much truthful: a soldier is doing the job the government - elected by society - has deemed necessary. personal opinion matters not), you HAVE to be able to disconnect from the machine. That is necessary for your continued presence in that very society, as you need to be able to still be a civilian with the very same morals of citizens you protect. The Founding Fathers said that themselves, that the soldier is still a member of society and must always remain so.

Being a machine while your at war is simply a matter of effectiveness. Continuing to be that emotionless, cold hearted machine when your NOT at war... that's hazardous (to oneself and possibly society, depending on potential circumstances).

A soldier needs to be grounded in reality. Having something meaningful in society that they can escape to, to be normal. It seems a lot of soldiers want to maintain that machine mentality even out of combat, and that's a problem. During training, yes, because you need to train for the real scenarios.
But this case... where the soldier in question has stepped aside and had this incident videotaped... somethings wrong mentally with that man. Someone like that I would NEVER trust. My trust has to be earned and well, he just proved himself mentally unfit to earn my deepest trust. Good thing it's likely he never will need it. (btw, trust on the field and trust in society are two different things. maybe he's a damn fine Marine on the field, but in society as a civilian... never would trust him)

And you stated in this thread that you have laughed at some fucked up situations. That's well.... something that could almost be considered normal to an extent, as far as combat is concerned. There are different ways to approach fucked up situations in the mind, and humor is one of them for many people. I'm one that likes to make light of situations that are just downright depressing or fucked up. So I'd probably be one that would also have laughed in a similar situation if in a combat zone.

But as it appears more and more that the incident in question did NOT take place during combat... that goes with my earlier statement of disconnecting from the machine. And again, it's completely against all morals. Morality, to an extent, should continue to be present even during combat, or else we get assorted cases throughout history that needn't be referenced... many cases in which morals were clearly lacking.

to sit on the sidelines and simply state that nothing is wrong here and the guy deserves nothing but essentially a slap on the wrist... that's overlooking the situation...
And sure, some morals go out the window during war, for the sake of your own survival... But... I dunno, I don't really think I need to even say much more that I haven't already said before. If some people in this thread simply want to continue to play ignorant and not understand the situation, then that's on them.

I got other shit to do than continue to monitor this thread. It's already proven multiple times that many people are idiots and I'm feeling like a broken record, one that few even listened to in the first place. I don't feel like repeating myself 10 more times just because this thread grows in size and more and more idiots roll in.


oh, and TallBill... not all of this was directed at you. I ramble off main points a lot.
And... that Marine DOES need a psych-eval. Clearly. Don't subscribe to the idea that someone needs to do something more than once to prove they are mentally unstable or morally unsound. The lengths he already went to, serve up quite enough evidence on their own. Without knowing any underlying circumstances prior the filming of that, it's a fairly easy observation there is something wrong. If he isn't morally sound, that's just as dangerous as someone mentally unstable. And besides, not like a psych eval is guaranteed discharge... he can be determined to be fit for service from that still.

I'll go to great lengths to make sure my men reserve for humility for off the field, and that they never do shit like this. I also don't want them hesitating if any children are bearing weapons, but they still need to be fit for society when not in combat.

 

[Josh]

Drako - where are you? I want you to admit you were wrong dammit

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Josh
Drako - where are you? I want you to admit you were wrong dammit

?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: TallBill
For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No.

Insane is kinda broad, but if you laugh watching kids get run over by trucks then you shot passed "abnormal" a few hundred miles ago. You need to talk to someone.

Not really. On that same day a child placed a land mine on the exit to a building where I was working. My point is, you have an entirely different mentality over there. People shouldn't be focusing their efforts on real war attrocities, not someone who killed a dog.

That doesn't really matter, you are expected to act and think like a professional, you need to go off active duty until you realise that.

Once you go past the "YES" kill of a moment and start taking pleasure in kids being run over by trucks just because some kid (who was obviously spotted and is in custody, otherwise you wouldn't know that) planted a mine, then it's time to quit.

Puppys though, well, in Iraq and Afghanistan they are shot on sight, these aren't your average domesticated animals you're used to at home and if i lose a solder for a week because he's been bit i will hold him responsible for not shooting it at sight.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: TallBill
For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No.

Insane is kinda broad, but if you laugh watching kids get run over by trucks then you shot passed "abnormal" a few hundred miles ago. You need to talk to someone.

Not really. On that same day a child placed a land mine on the exit to a building where I was working. My point is, you have an entirely different mentality over there. People shouldn't be focusing their efforts on real war attrocities, not someone who killed a dog.

That doesn't really matter, you are expected to act and think like a professional, you need to go off active duty until you realise that.

Once you go past the "YES" kill of a moment and start taking pleasure in kids being run over by trucks just because some kid (who was obviously spotted and is in custody, otherwise you wouldn't know that) planted a mine, then it's time to quit.

Puppys though, well, in Iraq and Afghanistan they are shot on sight, these aren't your average domesticated animals you're used to at home and if i lose a solder for a week because he's been bit i will hold him responsible for not shooting it at sight.

That's the way things need to be done. And it seems you completely agree. Even if the animal is a nuisance, you don't torture it. You put it out humanely. Shoot it. That's if its a threat and a nuisance. In war you gotta protect your ass first and foremost.
Thrown off a cliff? No. Not even comparable.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: TallBill
For fuck's sake I laughed at a kid getting ran over by a truck. Is that normal? No. Am I insane? No.

Insane is kinda broad, but if you laugh watching kids get run over by trucks then you shot passed "abnormal" a few hundred miles ago. You need to talk to someone.

Not really. On that same day a child placed a land mine on the exit to a building where I was working. My point is, you have an entirely different mentality over there. People shouldn't be focusing their efforts on real war attrocities, not someone who killed a dog.

That's what people don't understand. Playful child one second, murderer the next.

Not really hard to understand. We brought a war that destroyed countless families and uprooted their society. Here's a simple exercise: find a story about Iraq, replace every instance of the word 'Iraq' with 'USA', and replace every instance of 'USA' with 'Chinese'. Then ask yourself how you would feel if foreign soldiers stormed into your home and terrorized your family in the middle of the night under the guise of freedom.

TallBill, you are f***** up if you laughed at a kid getting run over. And that's exactly why our mission was doomed for failure from the beginning. Our military is great at winning battles, but abominable in occupations.

 

[OhSnap688]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: OhSnap688
If this is real, I hope he gets sent to Iraq and dies.

You must be seriously mentally handicapped.
Wishing someone to die in Iraq for a misjudgment on his part of harming/killing the puppy.
The guy is obviously poor at making the correct decisions, but to hope that he dies over a puppy being killed.

You're a bright one indeed.

Maybe you should understand that if he is sick enough to do something like this and have NO effect by it what-so-ever, then who knows what else he is capable of. THAT is why I said what I said. Kthnxbai.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: OhSnap688

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: OhSnap688
If this is real, I hope he gets sent to Iraq and dies.

You must be seriously mentally handicapped.
Wishing someone to die in Iraq for a misjudgment on his part of harming/killing the puppy.
The guy is obviously poor at making the correct decisions, but to hope that he dies over a puppy being killed.

You're a bright one indeed.

Maybe you should understand that if he is sick enough to do something like this and have NO effect by it what-so-ever, then who knows what else he is capable of. THAT is why I said what I said. Kthnxbai.

No you're an idiot and that's why you said what you did.