LOS ANGELES - Explosives were looted from the Al-Qaqaa ammunitions site in Iraq (news - web sites) while outnumbered U.S. soldiers assigned to guard the materials watched helplessly, soldiers told the Los Angeles Times.
About a dozen U.S. troops were guarding the sprawling facility in the weeks after the April 2003 fall of Baghdad when Iraqi looters raided the site, the newspaper quoted a group of unidentified soldiers as saying. U.S. Army reservists and National Guardsmen witnessed the looting and some soldiers sent messages to commanders in Baghdad requesting help, but received no reply, they said.
"It was complete chaos. It was looting like L.A. during the Rodney King riots," one officer said.
The eyewitness accounts reported by the Times are the first provided by U.S. soldiers and bolster claims that the U.S. military had failed to safeguard the powerful explosives, the newspaper said.
Soldiers who belong to two different units described how Iraqis snatched explosives from unsecured bunkers and drove off with them in pickup trucks.
The soldiers who spoke to the Times asked to remain unidentified, saying they feared retaliation from the Pentagon (news - web sites).
The soldiers said they could not confirm that looters took the particularly powerful explosives known as HMX and RDX. One soldier, however, said U.S. forces saw looters load trucks with bags marked "hexamine," which is a key ingredient for HMX.
One senior noncommissioned officer said troops "were running from one side of the compound to the other side, trying to kick people out" and that at least 100 vehicles were at the site waiting for the military to leave so that they could loot the munitions.
The Pentagon has offered accounts that suggest the explosives were removed before the U.S.-led invasion to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) and not during the chaos following the fall of Baghdad.
A Pentagon statement last week said the removal of the explosives would have required dozens of heavy trucks moving along the same roads as U.S. combat divisions.
The missing explosives became a campaign issue with Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) claiming it was further evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war.
Four soldiers who are members of the Germany-based 317th Support Center and the 258th Rear Area Operations Center, an Arizona-based Army National Guard unit, said the looting happened over several weeks in late April and early May 2003.
Asked about the soldiers' accounts, Pentagon spokeswoman Rose-Ann Lynch told the newspaper: "We take the report of missing munitions very seriously. And we are looking into the facts and circumstances of this incident."
Originally posted by: Train
If I was there, and did not have the manpower to fend off the looters, the next logical option would be to blow them up. I mean, better to lose all those munitions than to have them fall into the hands of looters. I wonder if thhey considered this at the time.
Originally posted by: Train
If I was there, and did not have the manpower to fend off the looters, the next logical option would be to blow them up. I mean, better to lose all those munitions than to have them fall into the hands of looters. I wonder if thhey considered this at the time.
Originally posted by: Train
If I was there, and did not have the manpower to fend off the looters, the next logical option would be to blow them up. I mean, better to lose all those munitions than to have them fall into the hands of looters. I wonder if thhey considered this at the time.
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Why didnt they just start shooting the looters? Hell, they do that in the United States after natural disasters.
Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Why didnt they just start shooting the looters? Hell, they do that in the United States after natural disasters.
if you and 3-4 other guys are there, and 100's of looters show up carrying AK's. you'd try to shoot them? did you watch black hawk down? sure, you may kill a lot of looters, but you might become a hero.
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Why didnt they just start shooting the looters? Hell, they do that in the United States after natural disasters.
if you and 3-4 other guys are there, and 100's of looters show up carrying AK's. you'd try to shoot them? did you watch black hawk down? sure, you may kill a lot of looters, but you might become a hero.
But isnt that their job ?
But isnt that their job ?
guard the explosives, call for back up if needed. trying not to get killed in the process.
Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Why didnt they just start shooting the looters? Hell, they do that in the United States after natural disasters.
if you and 3-4 other guys are there, and 100's of looters show up carrying AK's. you'd try to shoot them? did you watch black hawk down? sure, you may kill a lot of looters, but you might become a hero.
But isnt that their job ?
guard the explosives, call for back up if needed. trying not to get killed in the process.
Originally posted by: cwjerome
This demonstrates a huge breakdown of command and planning. Something like this goes from the field leaders in that area to the civillian leadership in Washington. A huge mistake... not as bad as Abu prison, but a tactical and moral failure. Such is war, but there's never an excuse and this should be looked at closely to deliver remedial action and learn from it.
Almost as bad, is jpeyton's gloating over American military mistakes and his chance to attack Bush for the 239th time today. I usually ignore the sick fvcking attitude, but I realize partisan hate knows no bounds.