US strike kills Iranian Quds Force commander

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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Mark Esper understands the implications of this strike.

This strike, and the level of targets eliminated, dispels any doubts to Iran’s meddling in Iraq.

It is possible that we didn’t know that Soleimani was on the ground. His death certainly escalates things. However, given the nature of his role and influence, his presence certainly raises other questions.
You really want a war in that region of the world??
 
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woolfe9998

Lifer
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It is possible that we didn’t know that Soleimani was on the ground.

No, it isn't. Here's the Pentagon statement:

At the direction of the President, the U.S. military has taken decisive defensive action to protect U.S. personnel abroad by killing Qasem Soleimani, the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps-Quds Force, a U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization.
General Soleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region. General Soleimani and his Quds Force were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition service members and the wounding of thousands more. He had orchestrated attacks on coalition bases in Iraq over the last several months - including the attack on December 27th - culminating in the death and wounding of additional American and Iraqi personnel. General Soleimani also approved the attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad that took place this week.
This strike was aimed at deterring future Iranian attack plans. The United States will continue to take all necessary action to protect our people and our interests wherever they are around the world.

This was a targeted assassination.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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It is possible that we didn’t know that Soleimani was on the ground. His death certainly escalates things. However, given the nature of his role and influence, his presence certainly raises other questions.

What? The Pentagon released a statement that Soleimani was killed at Trump’s express order. There is no ambiguity here.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Mark Esper understands the implications of this strike.

This strike, and the level of targets eliminated, dispels any doubts to Iran’s meddling in Iraq.

It is possible that we didn’t know that Soleimani was on the ground. His death certainly escalates things. However, given the nature of his role and influence, his presence certainly raises other questions.

According to the white house he didn’t make the call, Trump did. Anyone who thinks he did so as the result of some deliberative process is a fool.

As far as Iran meddling in Iraq, the two governments are close allies.
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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"General Soleimani and his Quds Force were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition service members and the wounding of thousands more. "

Any reporters ask for evidence backing up this statement?
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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According to the white house he didn’t make the call, Trump did. Anyone who thinks he did so as the result of some deliberative process is a fool.

As far as Iran meddling in Iraq, the two governments are close allies.
Iran and Iraq have also been bitter enemies. The odd symmetry of factions and allegiances in the Middle East is a tangled web of intrigue and backstabbing.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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What? The Pentagon released a statement that Soleimani was killed at Trump’s express order. There is no ambiguity here.
Yes, I stand corrected. The early reports I read did not have America taking credit for the attack.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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The strike did not happen on Iranian soil, so Iran’s next move will largely direct the outcome. A ground war in Iran serves no purpose. Why was he in Bagdad?

If you just read some of the news you would know why he is in iraq. Im sure its more fun to guess.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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"General Soleimani and his Quds Force were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition service members and the wounding of thousands more. "

Any reporters ask for evidence backing up this statement?

The thing is it doesn’t really matter. By all accounts he was a bad guy, but there are lots of bad guys in the world. Kim Jong Un is a bad guy - should we assassinate him?

The problem here is that this appears to be yet another case of thoughtless lashing out by an idiot who is too lazy to learn the possible consequences of his actions.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Mark Esper understands the implications of this strike.

This strike, and the level of targets eliminated, dispels any doubts to Iran’s meddling in Iraq.

It is possible that we didn’t know that Soleimani was on the ground. His death certainly escalates things. However, given the nature of his role and influence, his presence certainly raises other questions.

Your frame of reference is... interesting. "Dispels any doubts". As if we didn't know? That is a lie to help sell a narrative, to help propagandize.
  • ISIS is Sunni.
  • Iran is Shia.
After the fall of Mosul, the remaining half of Iraq was Shia, and friendly to Iran. Iranian military advisors entered Iraq and assisted in the creation of the Shia Militias that played the ground war and defeated ISIS. These Iranian commanders became Iraqi war Heroes.

2016: Even more troubling to the U.S. military are reports that Qassem Soleimani, an Iranian general who commands the Islamic Revolutionary Guard’s Quds Force, is now on the ground outside Mosul ahead of an expected operation to retake Iraq’s second-largest city which has been under ISIS control for the past two years.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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The thing is it doesn’t really matter. By all accounts he was a bad guy, but there are lots of bad guys in the world. Kim Jong Un is a bad guy - should we assassinate him?

The problem here is that this appears to be yet another case of thoughtless lashing out by an idiot who is too lazy to learn the possible consequences of his actions.


Why was he bad?
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Your frame of reference is... interesting. "Dispels any doubts". As if we didn't know? That is a lie to help sell a narrative, to help propagandize.
  • ISIS is Sunni.
  • Iran is Shi'ite.
After the fall of Mosul, the remaining half of Iraq was Shi'ite, and friendly to Iran. Iranian military advisors entered Iraq and assisted in the creation of the Shi'ite Militias that played the ground war and defeated ISIS. These Iranian commanders became Iraqi war Heroes.

2016: Even more troubling to the U.S. military are reports that Qassem Soleimani, an Iranian general who commands the Islamic Revolutionary Guard’s Quds Force, is now on the ground outside Mosul ahead of an expected operation to retake Iraq’s second-largest city which has been under ISIS control for the past two years.

if he doesnt know by now he doesnt want to know.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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I’m hearing on TV that Iran is treating this action as a “declaration of war” and is promising “starting revenge”...looking for sources...
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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If you just read some of the news you would know why he is in iraq. Im sure its more fun to guess.
Most of the stories published in the last hour talk about the timeline of the attack but not the purpose of his visit. Some outlets are now reporting that Presidents Bush and Obama both faced opportunities to take him out, but refrained due to concerns for how Iran would retaliate.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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The strike did not happen on Iranian soil, so Iran’s next move will largely direct the outcome. A ground war in Iran serves no purpose. Why was he in Bagdad?

As an honored guest of the Iraqi state sponsored militias whose leader was also killed in the attack. Soleimani was instrumental in Iraq's victory over ISIS, as well. He's been in Iraq many times, I'm sure.

Fuck them Iraqis. Fuck their govt. Fuck 'em all. We'll bomb anybody we want in their country. Merricuh! Hell Yeah!
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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So reading a bit more we basically assassinated the most broadly popular person in the Iranian regime. This is really going to work out in our favor.
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Your frame of reference is... interesting. "Dispels any doubts". As if we didn't know? That is a lie to help sell a narrative, to help propagandize.
  • ISIS is Sunni.
  • Iran is Shia.
After the fall of Mosul, the remaining half of Iraq was Shia, and friendly to Iran. Iranian military advisors entered Iraq and assisted in the creation of the Shia Militias that played the ground war and defeated ISIS. These Iranian commanders became Iraqi war Heroes.

2016: Even more troubling to the U.S. military are reports that Qassem Soleimani, an Iranian general who commands the Islamic Revolutionary Guard’s Quds Force, is now on the ground outside Mosul ahead of an expected operation to retake Iraq’s second-largest city which has been under ISIS control for the past two years.
Yes I am aware of the Sunni vs Shia allegiances. We’ve always had a contentious relationship with Iran.

It’s not unlike how America found common cause with the Soviet Union to eliminate Nazi Germany only to face off as bitter enemies before the shell casings in Berlin were cold.

The Islamic State created a temporary common enemy, but there is also the implications of Iran expanding its reach and influence into Iraq. Things have escalated in recent weeks over allegations that those Shia militias are now targeting Americans with rocket attacks.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Iran and Iraq have also been bitter enemies. The odd symmetry of factions and allegiances in the Middle East is a tangled web of intrigue and backstabbing.

How are you this ignorant of world affairs?

You're an expert on how evil the feminists are, how mean democrats are by telling people in dying industries they may have to learn something, etc, etc, etc, but don't have the time to understand how the middle east has evolved?
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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How are you this ignorant of world affairs?

You're an expert on how evil the feminists are, how mean democrats are by telling people in dying industries they may have to learn something, etc, etc, etc, but don't have the time to understand how the middle east has evolved?
Concern duly noted. What did I state that is factually incorrect.
 
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