US strike kills Iranian Quds Force commander

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fskimospy

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I would be interested to hear why you think escalating conflict with the USA is in the interests of Iran.

We aren’t Iranian and have no say over Iranian political leadership.

You said this is a good thing, why? It’s a simple question.
 
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Pompeo is telling the news the intelligence community said there was an "imminent threat" from Soleimani and essentially that he had to be taken out. Considering that what he did for a living was to create threats, often against our interests but sometimes for, I'm going to need a lot more specifics before taking him at his word about what was the rationale for doing it now. Especially given the proclivity of this admin to reflexively lie about everything down to the color of toilet paper.

I really suspect Trump was super aggravated by the embassy protest and ordered him killed without giving the slightest thought to the broader consequences of the action. Whatever happens next is entirely at the doorstep of the president and his supporters.
Considering this administration has a habit about lying about everything, I would need proof for pretty much any claim they make about anything.
 

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I would be interested to hear why you think escalating conflict with the USA is in the interests of Iran.
It wouldn't be, but that wouldn't mean that they necessarily feel they would have a choice. Imagine a world where China openly assassinated Pompeo. What would the appropriate response be on our part? War with China would be catastrophically bad for us, but would we be able to simply shrug it off?
 
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K1052

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Iraq is looking pretty pissed. Their parliament wants to eject the US from the country.
 
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dphantom

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We aren’t Iranian and have no say over Iranian political leadership.

You said this is a good thing, why? It’s a simple question.
It is a simple question yet you do not seem to want to address why you think Iran's escalation is in their interests and our response to the killing of an American citizen and attack on US soil is not. Curious.
 
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fskimospy

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It wouldn't be, but that wouldn't mean that they necessarily feel they would have a choice. Imagine a world where China opening assassinated Pompeo. What would the appropriate response be on our part? War with China would be catastrophically bad for us, but would we be able to simply shrug it off?

It’s such a dumb question. We are saying the US is making a dumb move here and their response is ‘well what if IRAN is making a dumb move?!’

Maybe they are! Who cares? Whether or not Iran is dumb has no bearing on if we need to be dumb.
 
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It is a simple question yet you do not seem to want to address why you think Iran's escalation is in their interests and our response to the killing of an American citizen and attack on US soil is not. Curious.
Where was there an attack on US soil sponsored by Iran?
 
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fskimospy

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It is a simple question yet you do not seem to want to address why you think Iran's escalation is in their interests and our response to the killing of an American citizen and attack on US soil is not. Curious.

It is a simple question and it is pretty curious why you won’t answer it and keep trying to dodge. What Iran wants and what the US wants are entirely different things so what they think is good for them is entirely separate from what is good for us.

For the third time, you said this was a good thing, why? If you have no answer or are going to refuse to answer that’s fine, just let me know.
 

Jaskalas

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Iraq is looking pretty pissed. Their parliament wants to eject the US from the country.

That would be the best outcome of this. For the United States to swiftly and safely leave Iraq.
But I must assume that would not be enough to satisfy Iran, or its Iraqi militias.

Oh, and I am not certain our leadership has the intelligence to leave Iraq if uninvited. It seems American leaders are demanding American blood be spilled.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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so long as it's only trump voters

Trump politicians and supporters in the front lines of course.

We won't have a draft as that would cause Trump to lose and that defeats his ambition. The party that attempts to institute a draft will be voted out of office.
 
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ShookKnight

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Trump has been falling all over himself trying to get into a conflict with Iran. Yet, this same piece of shit was crying about how Obama was looking to start a war with Iran, in order to ensure he gets re-elected. On day 2, of 2020 - a fucking election year - Trump further escalates things towards the very thing he accused Obama of.

Yes, we should defend ourselves. But, we are in a country we invaded.

More importantly, we do not fair well in the Middle East. I don't care how many children sickos like Gallagher have sniped; we are not effective in the Middle East - period. Uh, sure, we kill stuff real good. But, this bullshit concept of spreading Democracy or defending ourselves in a country we invaded, needs to stop.

And additional indicator of how starved the Trumps are for a 'victory';

Garbage, human garbage.
 

HomerJS

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In this case there are multiple tweets on same subject. Trump is the king of projection
Trump tweets predicting Obama would start a war with Iran to get reelected

 

dphantom

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I think he’s basing that on the frequently repeated myth that embassies are considered the soil of the country they represent.

They are not.
You are correct it is not technically US "soil". However the Vienna Diplomatic Convention expressly mentions such facilities to be inviolable. the hosting nation must undertake to protect the facility and did not in this case. The US did in such absence.
 

HomerJS

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How do we know there was an imminent threat which would have been the only legal justification for the assassination?
 

K1052

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That would be the best outcome of this. For the United States to swiftly and safely leave Iraq.
But I must assume that would not be enough to satisfy Iran, or its Iraqi militias.

Oh, and I am not certain our leadership has the intelligence to leave Iraq if uninvited. It seems American leaders are demanding American blood be spilled.

When the previous withdrawal happened serious conservatives wanted the US to ignore Iraqi sovereignty and international law in order to maintain military control indefinitely.
 

ShookKnight

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You are correct it is not technically US "soil". However the Vienna Diplomatic Convention expressly mentions such facilities to be inviolable. the hosting nation must undertake to protect the facility and did not in this case. The US did in such absence.
Does this apply to countries we've invaded? Because we invaded Iraq in order to establish said embassy.

I am not being snarky, I am genuinely curious.
 

fskimospy

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You are correct it is not technically US "soil". However the Vienna Diplomatic Convention expressly mentions such facilities to be inviolable. the hosting nation must undertake to protect the facility and did not in this case. The US did in such absence.

No ‘technically’ about it. It’s not US soil or anything remotely like it. What you said is plainly false.

As far as the duty of the host nation now you’re making an entirely different argument.
 
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