US strike kills Iranian Quds Force commander

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Ajay

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I just want to remind people the cost of these actions are astronomical
I heard something on NPR about a dude who was tasked with spending 3 million per day in an area of Afghanistan that was described as the size of a typical US County. A COUNTY.
All while there appears to be zero money during the meltdown for jobs programs or mortgage assistance.
Imagine the good that could be done in you County if it had 3 million dollars per day dedicated to be spent on improvements for let’s say one year.
Does any believe action in Iran would be cheaper than Afghanistan? The 3 million per day figure is just improvements, that is not inclusive of the security budget. Security was a totally separate thing.

Thanks for the reminder. I've read b/4 (can't remember source) that we've spent $2T between the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Freaking Insane. I understand why we were in Iraq after the war (the war itself being bullshit), but I really have no fucking clue why we are still in Afghanistan.

Edit: typo.
 
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Thanks for the reminder. I've read b/4 (can't remember source) that we've spent $2B between the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Freaking Insane. I understand why we were in Iraq after the war (the war itself being bullshit), but I really have no fucking clue why we are still in Afghanistan.

it is likely approaching 2 Trillion for the two wars combined.
 

K1052

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Lol Esper said that the US doesn't start wars but it finishes them. Somebody should have asked him which ones specifically in the last 20 years he'd be talking about. We started both current ones and the one in Afghanistan is old enough to vote and counting.
 
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dawheat

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The risk calculation is that Iran’s response remains limited to what they’re already doing anyway.

My problem is whether the administration did any real risk calculation and had a cohesive plan in place to protect against likely responses. I don't need them to be playing chess, even checkers would be good enough. Instead I feel like they're playing tic-tac-toe and declaring victory after each move.

Believing that killing a formal state actor this senior will result in no incremental response is idiotic. Simply to save face to their own nationalists, Iran will have to make some public action. It scares me the administration is clearly trying to figure this out "after" the fact.
 

Ajay

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My problem is whether the administration did any real risk calculation and had a cohesive plan in place to protect against likely responses. I don't need them to be playing chess, even checkers would be good enough. Instead I feel like they're playing tic-tac-toe and declaring victory after each move.

Believing that killing a formal state actor this senior will result in no incremental response is idiotic. Simply to save face to their own nationalists, Iran will have to make some public action. It scares me the administration is clearly trying to figure this out "after" the fact.
Trump made the descision to strike just a few days b/4 it happened, so I'm going with no - not much planning at all. They would typically need weeks (the NSC) to properly plan for this. And, yes - we deserve an administration that IS playing chess! Fuck the stupid game of checkers Trump and his lackeys are currently playing.
 

Starbuck1975

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That's bullshit. If the IAEA were not satisfied that Iran was in compliance with the JCPOA they'd have been screaming from the rooftops. I'm confident they know a helluva lot more about what they're doing than either of us. The agreement was a new beginning. The past was set aside.
It’s not bullshit. Iran has steadily since this past summer undermined the JCPOA over demands for increased trade from the EU, and there has been tensions with France in particular over the detainment of a French academic in Iran. These are not the actions of a nation looking to comply.
 

Jhhnn

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It’s not bullshit. Iran has steadily since this past summer undermined the JCPOA over demands for increased trade from the EU, and there has been tensions with France in particular over the detainment of a French academic in Iran. These are not the actions of a nation looking to comply.

Still bullshit. *Trump* renounced the JCPOA in 2018, remember? But they're supposed to uphold it, anyway. Really? And even though Iran has returned to their enrichment program it's still under the watchful supervision of the IAEA.

Nice red herring with the French academician, btw. It's just more of the usual demonization.
 

Starbuck1975

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No more GOP TV for you.

cat mouse doom failure always
thus
skip cat mouse
goto war
program bucky end.
cytg111 equips pearls of clutching
cytg111 casts fire of disingenuous rage
Target immune
cytg111 makes passive aggressive strike with sword of impotence
Target immune
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Target immune
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End of turn

Starbuck hits ignore.
 
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JSt0rm

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cytg111 equips pearls of clutching
cytg111 casts fire of disingenuous rage
Target immune
cytg111 makes passive aggressive strike with sword of impotence
Target immune
cytg111 summons waterboys with staff of virtue signaling
Target immune
cytg111 shields behind pile of straw
cytg111 moves goal posts
End of turn

Starbuck hits ignore.

roll constitution saving throw against mind of enfeeblement for pressing the ignore button.
 

K1052

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Some reports of the Ain al-Asad airbase in Iraq under attack by missiles.

Edit: apparently real and Iran has claimed responsibility
 
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Starbuck1975

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Still bullshit. *Trump* renounced the JCPOA in 2018, remember? But they're supposed to uphold it, anyway. Really? And even though Iran has returned to their enrichment program it's still under the watchful supervision of the IAEA.
The international community is bigger than America and Iranian grievances over EU extortion payments is what caused tensions to rise over the summer.

Nice red herring with the French academician, btw. It's just more of the usual demonization.
The French don’t think its a red herring
 

Jhhnn

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The international community is bigger than America and Iranian grievances over EU extortion payments is what caused tensions to rise over the summer.

The French don’t think its a red herring

The EU is jammed by US sanctions, same as Iran. Neither are voluntary participants.

Oh, and your red herring issue has been resolved, anyway-

 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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My problem is whether the administration did any real risk calculation and had a cohesive plan in place to protect against likely responses. I don't need them to be playing chess, even checkers would be good enough. Instead I feel like they're playing tic-tac-toe and declaring victory after each move.

Believing that killing a formal state actor this senior will result in no incremental response is idiotic. Simply to save face to their own nationalists, Iran will have to make some public action. It scares me the administration is clearly trying to figure this out "after" the fact.
Trump, not at all. As more info comes out, it is apparent that Pompeo pushed for this option. He should justify the why.
 

MixMasterTang

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Well this sucks if it's really happening:

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran state TV says Tehran has launched “tens” of surface-to-surface missiles at Iraq’s Ain Assad air base housing U.S. troops over America’s killing of a top Iranian general.
State TV described it early Wednesday as Tehran’s revenge operation over the killing of Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani.

U.S. forces could not be immediately reached for comment.
Ain Assad air base is located in Iraq’s western Anbar province. It was first used by American forces after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppled dictator Saddam Hussein. It later saw American troops stationed there amid the fight against the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria.

State TV said the operation’s name was “Marytr Soleimani.” It said the Guard’s aerospace division, which controls Iran’s missile program, launched the attack.
This breaking news story will be updated when more information is available.

 

Fenixgoon

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Welp...that "de-escalation" has resulted in an honest to god hot war in less than a week.

Really just fantastic work Trumplandia.

well when the president says that he was motivated in part by retribution for the death of a US contractor, should we really expected anything else? Trump is arguably the greatest threat to national security and global stability.


But Trump has subsequently made clear -- notably in comments Tuesday from the Oval Office -- that he was also motivated by retribution after the death of an American contractor at an Iraqi military base, possibly caused by Iranian-backed militias, or violent protests at the US Embassy in Baghdad.
 
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