US to let Turkish forces move into Syria, abandoning Kurdish allies

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cytg111

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Based on the info that I've found it looks like Denmark has many of the same ongoing issues of oppression/ethnic bigotry that pretty much every other country that has an indigenous population seems to have.




Have you taken a look at a map? Distance between Greenland and Denmark? This is when Greenlanders, at their own free will, decide to leave Greenland and travel to the mother land. Denmark do not have an "indigenous population".
Be there history? Yes.
Cultural differences? Yes.
Denmark have an obligation? Yes.
Does Denmark honor that obligation? Yes.
Greenland have autonomy, so its pretty limited and up to the democratic population of Greenland to accept what kind help and aide they want from us.
Indigenous Danish people love greenland. Every single person I know who has gone there come home with stars in their eyes and a pledge to return.
 
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Have you taken a look at a map? Distance between Greenland and Denmark? This is when Greenlanders, at their own free will, decide to leave Greenland and travel to the mother land. Denmark do not have an "indigenous population".
Be there history? Yes.
Cultural differences? Yes.
Denmark have an obligation? Yes.
Does Denmark honor that obligation? Yes.
Greenland have autonomy, so its pretty limited and up to the democratic population of Greenland to accept what kind help and aide they want from us.
Indigenous Danish people love greenland. Every single person I know who has gone there come home with stars in their eyes and a pledge to return.

So all those articles and the experiences they describe are what, "fake news?

And yes, Denmark has an indigenous population and has had as long as they've controlled Greenland. If it's your territory, the folks on that territory are part of your population.

Ya know, as I said, every country in the world that has to deal with an indigenous population faces these kinds of issues. Some better than others, many worse. Greenland sounds kind of middling in the sense that it seems more an issue when indigenous peoples move to Denmark itself.

Canada, my home, has done far worse for, and to, it's first peoples no matter where they live.

And Denmark appears to have a few issues to deal with itself. <shrug>
 

cytg111

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So all those articles and the experiences they describe are what, "fake news?

And yes, Denmark has an indigenous population and has had as long as they've controlled Greenland. If it's your territory, the folks on that territory are part of your population.

Ya know, as I said, every country in the world that has to deal with an indigenous population faces these kinds of issues. Some better than others, many worse. Greenland sounds kind of middling in the sense that it seems more an issue when indigenous peoples move to Denmark itself.

Canada, my home, has done far worse for, and to, it's first peoples no matter where they live.

And Denmark appears to have a few issues to deal with itself. <shrug>
I am not getting further into those details. I disagree.
 
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I am not getting further into those details. I disagree.

Fine with me. As I said, my own country is absolutely terrible with it's indigenous population.

One last small point though. What you seem to be disagreeing with is the actual lived experience of a group of people. Given that, it just might be worth taking a little deeper look at that society.
 

cytg111

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Fine with me. As I said, my own country is absolutely terrible with it's indigenous population.

One last small point though. What you seem to be disagreeing with is the actual lived experience of a group of people. Given that, it just might be worth taking a little deeper look at that society.
Which is already happening.
Looking at greenland you should consider it kin to a member state of your union, rather than an indigenous population, not only does the definition not fit its also not the case on the ground.
 

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German analysis of the Turkish Incursion into Syria


English Translation

The war against the people of northern Syria and Erdogan's expansionist policies will not be localized

The war in Turkey against northern Syria began on Wednesday afternoon with shelling between Ra's al-'Ayn (Kurdish: Serekaniye) and Tell Abyad (Kurdish: Gire Spi). During the afternoon, Turkish air strikes and bombings were also reported from Qamishli (also: Qamishlo) and Al-Malikiyah (better known under the Kurdish name Derik).

The invasion of the Turkish army in northern Syria is part of the asymmetric war that Erdogan has been waging for years. For Europe, especially for Germany, it will sooner or later take revenge to close our eyes and ears before this war on our doorstep. The war against the people of northern Syria and Erdogan's expansionist policies will not be localized. For the past three years, Turkish media has spread maps showing Erdogan's plans for expansion following the Ottoman Empire.

Trump's announcement that Turkey is now responsible for the captured IS terrorists in northern Syria should freeze everyone's blood, as the years of Turkish support for ISIS and the other jihadist groups in Syria are well documented. Alleged Turkish fight against the IS always meant to incorporate former IS fighters in other jihadist structures and to use as auxiliaries for their own purposes to u.a. to initiate or threaten new refugee flows to Europe and to pay for their prevention. The annexation of northern Syria and its consequences, he will be paid by the EU.

The illegal international attack on northern Syria has begun. People flee from Serekaniye. The North Syrian-based news agency ANHA is hit by a cyber attack. In the border region the telephone connections are interrupted. There are tens of thousands of jihadists and Turkish soldiers in the social media, who are said to have been raised on the Turkish side in front of the border towns of Kobane, Gire Spi and Serekaniye.

The opposition Kemalist party CHP, which won the mayoral elections in Istanbul against the AKP candidate only because the HDP renounced its own candidate in favor of a CHP candidate, in Parliament approved the war of aggression (see: Erdogan's work and Kilicdaroglu's contribution Once again, the nationalist old men's team has gained the upper hand in the CHP, and the Turkish media is also launching an attack and publishing a map showing that Turkey wants to occupy the entire area from Afrin to Derik along the Turkish-Syrian border.

"Go and tell the infidel, Muhammad's army has returned," wrote the AKP propaganda newspaper Yeni Akit on its front page after Trump's announcement of the US withdrawal from the border area. An attack on this territory will meet with fierce resistance. The Kurdish self-defense unit YPG warns of a major bloodbath and calls on the international community to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe. The entire region is already crowded with refugees from Afrin and the residents.

Considering the inhabitants of the region as "terrorists", Erdogan will portray the defense of the people as an attack on Turkish security: "You see, they do not surrender or give us their territory, but attack us ..." Security will be a new escape movement from Syria to Europe. Because: Where are the 3 million people living in northern Syria?

The Syrian regime will not welcome her with open arms. Rather, they are likely to look into gun lounges in the Assad area if they are unwilling to give up their demand for minority recognition and surrender to the regime. Ultimately, only escape to northern Iraq or to Europe.

The Kurdish autonomy government of Northern Iraq, which is supported by the federal government with weapons and support, warned the Turkish government against the incalculable consequences of a Turkish invasion, pointing out that it still had to provide 1.1 million refugees, the fled from ISIS in Iraq. Barzani is also looking for a conversation in Washington.

The conservative Barzani Kurds are already driving the fear of a resurgence of IS and about the loss of meaning as a business partner of Turkey, as Turkey opens up new routes through northern Syria. The Kurdish autonomy region would then be forced into economic offside.
Erdogan's war and blackmail

An important part of Erdogan's asymmetric war strategy is the blackmail of Europe with new refugees. Since 2015, European diplomats and the military have been talking about the Turkish "migration weapon". "Because the Turkish secret di
 

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Trump constantly talks about how he promised to bring the troops home out of the ME as justification for this moronic decision but now the DOD is sending 1800 more to Saudi Arabia.

I guess Trump just didn't want to build Trump Towers in northern Syria. Saudi Arabia OTOH...
 

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Did you expect different result when it was the US that gave the green light for the Turkish attack by removing its armed forces from the eastern Syrian-Turkey boarders ??

US wanted this to happen, they planed this to happen, they will make sure this will continue the way they want it and will end this only when they want it.

And as your President said a few days ago,

As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits,
 

hal2kilo

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Saw the ugly munchkin (Treasury Secretary) on the box earlier this morning. Oh man, if they don't behave, Donnies going to wave some ugly sanctions on Turkey. Turkey quakes in fear. Ha, hah, ha, ha........
 

cytg111

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DC .. Something about DC that makes you lose your humanity? Or is it the lack of a soul that is the entry ticket in the first place?
 

hal2kilo

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You make it sound like Trump didn't know what would happen. He knew. It was the business interests in Turkey and/or Putin.
Thus the ridiculous non-threat of sanctions. Congress will literally have to fight a Trump veto for this to happen.
 

K1052

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You make it sound like Trump didn't know what would happen. He knew. It was the business interests in Turkey and/or Putin.

Greed and stupidity aren't mutually exclusive. The word that's come out sounds like Erdogan cornered him and he just agreed to get out of the conversation.
 
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