US to supply P3-C Orion Aircraft to Pakistan

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: xyyz
honestly, how does this impact the US?

do you think pakistan will let AQ members fly these planes? do you think they will use these planes against the US?

get over it.

Do all you care about is how it will impact the US? think about the world for a minute, here you have a county which has been democratic country for the last 50 years, fought 3 wars none of which it started and when it asks for weapons you decline and then you go ahead and sell weapons to a country which is ruled by a dictator- a country where the Taliban originated and known for it's radical elements and probably the root cause for 9/11 and you go right ahead and give them more weapons... wow just wow :disgust:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: xyyz
honestly, how does this impact the US?

do you think pakistan will let AQ members fly these planes? do you think they will use these planes against the US?

get over it.

Do all you care about is how it will impact the US? think about the world for a minute, here you have a county which has been democratic country for the last 50 years, fought 3 wars none of which it started and when it asks for weapons you decline and then you go ahead and sell weapons to a country which is ruled by a dictator- a country where the Taliban originated and known for it's radical elements and probably the root cause for 9/11 and you go right ahead and give them more weapons... wow just wow :disgust:

The US has offerend the same items to India, too.

But I agree with you. The US should ditch Pakistan for India. Why are we allying and strengthening these backwards sh!t holes like Pakistan? No thanks. Maybe Pakistan can offer more to the US on the 'war on terror' or whatever right now, but I'd rather be with India than Pakistan.

It's sad to see the US ally itself with a country that is run by a dictatorship and filled with backwards people instead of the world's largest democracy.

 

[xyyz]

even if pakistan becomes former afghanistan 2, how will these planes result in any sort of doomsday scenarios? what will AQ do, give them to china? i'm sure the current government can do that all on it's own.

for all you pakistan haters out there, don't get your panties in a twist. we're still holding off on the f-16's last i heard. i very much doubt a few phalanx's and some orions is such cause for alarm. you're behaving as if we're giving them peacekeepers.


last i checked, the ethnic makeup of india and pakistan were very close. therefore, according to you, if the people are backwards from one side of the border, it's pretty much assured they're backwards on the other side of the border as well. also, don't hate that much. it'll be funny when one of your present or future daughters brings home a pakistani that she wants to marry.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: xyyz
last i checked, the ethnic makeup of india and pakistan were very close. therefore, according to you, if the people are backwards from one side of the border, it's pretty much assured they're backwards on the other side of the border as well. also, don't hate that much. it'll be funny when one of your present or future daughters brings home a pakistani that she wants to marry.

No, backwardness has nothing to do with genetics. I'd rather deal with a democracy than a dictatorship, but I suppose that is too idealistic for all cases.

Anyways, I agree with you that giving Pakistan these weapons isn't the end of the world or anything.

 

[xyyz]

the government of the united states should ALSO rather deal with a democracy than a dictatorship.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: xyyz
even if pakistan becomes former afghanistan 2, how will these planes result in any sort of doomsday scenarios? what will AQ do, give them to china? i'm sure the current government can do that all on it's own.

for all you pakistan haters out there, don't get your panties in a twist. we're still holding off on the f-16's last i heard. i very much doubt a few phalanx's and some orions is such cause for alarm. you're behaving as if we're giving them peacekeepers.


last i checked, the ethnic makeup of india and pakistan were very close. therefore, according to you, if the people are backwards from one side of the border, it's pretty much assured they're backwards on the other side of the border as well. also, don't hate that much. it'll be funny when one of your present or future daughters brings home a pakistani that she wants to marry.

Funny, how individual Pakistanis need to hang on to the coat-tails of Indians in the U.S. Every Pakistani I've met in the US can't wait to display our commonality and brotherhood and desi-ness :roll: I have my own Pakistani stalker here on these forums. He'll be along any minute now....he can't make up his mind whether to love me or RabidMongoose or Klixxer, though

The ethnic make-up of Pakistan and North India are probably similar. Which explains why it is the South that is the progressive part of India. Show your love and brotherhood to the people of the North that your Mughal invaders conquered and that you continue to butcher in the name of religion. We will continue to look down upon Pakistan and Pakistanis as long as you remain the way you are. Pakistan is backwards and not even remotely similar to India. You Pakistanis are just using skin-color to associate yourselves with us, your superior neighbours. Back home in Pakistan you hate this very feeling of superiority we have and yet here in the US, you want to tag along and pretend you are as smart, as peace-loving, as well-educated, as tolerant and as law-abiding as Indians. You can pretend and fool the average American, but that is not how you earn respect. As long as we Indians know the truth, we will have no respect for you. Get an identity of your own first and then work on fixing it.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: xyyz
honestly, how does this impact the US?

do you think pakistan will let AQ members fly these planes? do you think they will use these planes against the US?

get over it.

Do all you care about is how it will impact the US? think about the world for a minute, here you have a county which has been democratic country for the last 50 years, fought 3 wars none of which it started and when it asks for weapons you decline and then you go ahead and sell weapons to a country which is ruled by a dictator- a country where the Taliban originated and known for it's radical elements and probably the root cause for 9/11 and you go right ahead and give them more weapons... wow just wow :disgust:

totally correct.

we reject arms sales to India, which is the worlds biggest democracy and yet we are willing to give any weapon the terrorist government of Pakistan asks

 

[RabidMongoose]

I have my own Pakistani stalker here on these forums.

Has he tried to stone you yet?

 

[xyyz]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: xyyz
even if pakistan becomes former afghanistan 2, how will these planes result in any sort of doomsday scenarios? what will AQ do, give them to china? i'm sure the current government can do that all on it's own.

for all you pakistan haters out there, don't get your panties in a twist. we're still holding off on the f-16's last i heard. i very much doubt a few phalanx's and some orions is such cause for alarm. you're behaving as if we're giving them peacekeepers.


last i checked, the ethnic makeup of india and pakistan were very close. therefore, according to you, if the people are backwards from one side of the border, it's pretty much assured they're backwards on the other side of the border as well. also, don't hate that much. it'll be funny when one of your present or future daughters brings home a pakistani that she wants to marry.

Funny, how individual Pakistanis need to hang on to the coat-tails of Indians in the U.S. Every Pakistani I've met in the US can't wait to display our commonality and brotherhood and desi-ness :roll: I have my own Pakistani stalker here on these forums. He'll be along any minute now....he can't make up his mind whether to love me or RabidMongoose or Klixxer, though

The ethnic make-up of Pakistan and North India are probably similar. Which explains why it is the South that is the progressive part of India. Show your love and brotherhood to the people of the North that your Mughal invaders conquered and that you continue to butcher in the name of religion. We will continue to look down upon Pakistan and Pakistanis as long as you remain the way you are. Pakistan is backwards and not even remotely similar to India. You Pakistanis are just using skin-color to associate yourselves with us, your superior neighbours. Back home in Pakistan you hate this very feeling of superiority we have and yet here in the US, you want to tag along and pretend you are as smart, as peace-loving, as well-educated, as tolerant and as law-abiding as Indians. You can pretend and fool the average American, but that is not how you earn respect. As long as we Indians know the truth, we will have no respect for you. Get an identity of your own first and then work on fixing it.

so, pakistanis in the US are wrong to try to build bridges to form a connection to indians who share nearly identical cutural traits? pakistanis are wrong in trying to keep the peace, while trying to forge better understandings and relationships with indians? i didn't know that living in the US, we were supposed to keep a tight grip on old school hatreds. wow you sure set me straight! and i never knew that pakistanis were not law abiding citizens like their indian counterparts! but then, i shouldn't even classify the two as counterparts, after all, pakistanis are so far beneath ya'll.

right now, you sound like a biggot.

i'm sure hitler's henchmen had the same views towards the jews. lemme redo this a bit to prove my case:

The language and behavior of germans and and jews probably similar. We will continue to look down upon jews as long as you remain the way you are. jews are backwards and not even remotely similar to germans. You jews are just using skin-color to associate yourselves with us, your superior neighbours. Back home you hate this very feeling of superiority we have and yet here in the US, you want to tag along and pretend you are as smart, as peace-loving, as well-educated, as tolerant and as law-abiding as germans. You can pretend and fool the average American, but that is not how you earn respect. As long as we germans know the truth, we will have no respect for you. Get an identity of your own first and then work on fixing it.

yeps, sounds like something right outta the nazi propoganda ministry.

it's funny how easily certain indians, like yourself, get razzled... but please don't hold back... adorn your brown shirt and tell us how you really feel.

 

[athithi]

so, pakistanis in the US are wrong to try to build bridges to form a connection to indians who share nearly identical cutural traits? pakistanis are wrong in trying to keep the peace, while trying to forge better understandings and relationships with indians?

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EDIT:

i'm sure hitler's henchmen had the same views towards the jews. lemme redo this a bit to prove my case:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Dari]

We sell arms to each country, so there's no bias. If they want to blow each other away, why shouldn't we profit?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: raildogg
I dont know why America would sell these advanced weapons to a rogue terrorist sponsoring state like Pakistan. This is the same state that was aiding Iran in its nuclear ambitions. It still is IMO.

Shame on America. Shame shame shame.

We have to support our economy

 

[RabidMongoose]

I have to agree with xyyz some here. What atithi is saying is kind of out there.

Maybe he is just so traumatized by any link to a future child murderer - Sultan.

We sell arms to each country, so there's no bias. If they want to blow each other away, why shouldn't we profit?

Maybe if both of the countries were backwards shvt holes then that would be fine. However Pakistan is a complete and utter shvthole ruled under a dictatorship and the other one isn't.

But I suppose that is too idealisitc..so we might as well profit.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I have to agree with xyyz some here. What atithi is saying is kind of out there.

Maybe he is just so traumatized by any link to a future child murderer - Sultan.

We sell arms to each country, so there's no bias. If they want to blow each other away, why shouldn't we profit?

Maybe if both of the countries were backwards shvt holes then that would be fine. However Pakistan is a complete and utter shvthole ruled under a dictatorship and the other one isn't.

But I suppose that is too idealisitc..so we might as well profit.

Either way, money is money. Besides, Pakistan was once a democracy. It can always go back if it wanted to. I don't think they're in a rush, with all those terrorists running around and islamic-terrorism being as popular as it is over there. Once things cool down, then we can talk democracy.

 

[RabidMongoose]

with all those terrorists running around and islamic-terrorism being as popular as it is over there

Yeah, that would be one of the reasons to not give Pakistan anything like these weapons.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

with all those terrorists running around and islamic-terrorism being as popular as it is over there

Yeah, that would be one of the reasons to not give Pakistan anything like these weapons.

Pakistan has a very disciplined military. In fact, it is the strongest and most respected institution in that country. It is also the only one holding the nation together. Fact of the matter is, if we don't sell the arms to them, someone else will. Then we will lose out.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I have to agree with xyyz some here. What atithi is saying is kind of out there.

Maybe he is just so traumatized by any link to a future child murderer - Sultan.

We sell arms to each country, so there's no bias. If they want to blow each other away, why shouldn't we profit?

Maybe if both of the countries were backwards shvt holes then that would be fine. However Pakistan is a complete and utter shvthole ruled under a dictatorship and the other one isn't.

But I suppose that is too idealisitc..so we might as well profit.

You've got to be kidding me if you think Pakistan is interested in peace of any kind with India. xyyz's mutilation of my post is odious to say the least. Did you find that agreeable? Or did you find his lies about Pakistan's peace efforts agreeable? Pakistan initiated 4 wars against India, lost 3 of them and one was a stalemate. Musharraf responded to India's peace initiatives with the Kargil War. No Indian has any reason to trust that mothafvckingsonofabitch. If Pakistanis wanted to forge better relations with India, they could begin by not supporting cross-border terrorism. Pakistan is a cheap nation that alternately employs and rejects the wounds of the past to suit its convenience. Now, that would be totally understandable if Pakistan was a nation of its people. But Pakistan is a nation of its religion and its existence is embodied in individuals like Sultan. India is secular, India is democratic and for all its ills, India is progressing while Pakistan is regressing. Fat-ass Americans on the other hand are so fvcking myopic that they think it is somehow fashionable or intellectual or otherwise benevolent to view both India and Pakistan as equals. I should learn to care less, but it truly feels insulting when India is spoken of in the same breath as Pakistan. It is such a terrible discouragement to the principles of secularism, democracy, education, law and order and basic human decency. But then, India didn't wait for a certificate from the United States to get this far. Onwards and beyond, without the U.S. Inspite of the U.S.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I have to agree with xyyz some here. What atithi is saying is kind of out there.

Maybe he is just so traumatized by any link to a future child murderer - Sultan.

We sell arms to each country, so there's no bias. If they want to blow each other away, why shouldn't we profit?

Maybe if both of the countries were backwards shvt holes then that would be fine. However Pakistan is a complete and utter shvthole ruled under a dictatorship and the other one isn't.

But I suppose that is too idealisitc..so we might as well profit.

You've got to be kidding me if you think Pakistan is interested in peace of any kind with India. xyyz's mutilation of my post is odious to say the least. Did you find that agreeable? Or did you find his lies about Pakistan's peace efforts agreeable? Pakistan initiated 4 wars against India, lost 3 of them and one was a stalemate. Musharraf responded to India's peace initiatives with the Kargil War. No Indian has any reason to trust that mothafvckingsonofabitch. If Pakistanis wanted to forge better relations with India, they could begin by not supporting cross-border terrorism. Pakistan is a cheap nation that alternately employs and rejects the wounds of the past to suit its convenience. Now, that would be totally understandable if Pakistan was a nation of its people. But Pakistan is a nation of its religion and its existence is embodied in individuals like Sultan. India is secular, India is democratic and for all its ills, India is progressing while Pakistan is regressing. Fat-ass Americans on the other hand are so fvcking myopic that they think it is somehow fashionable or intellectual or otherwise benevolent to view both India and Pakistan as equals. I should learn to care less, but it truly feels insulting when India is spoken of in the same breath as Pakistan. It is such a terrible discouragement to the principles of secularism, democracy, education, law and order and basic human decency. But then, India didn't wait for a certificate from the United States to get this far. Onwards and beyond, without the U.S. Inspite of the U.S.

xyyz is just a person, not the Pakistani government...

 

[RabidMongoose]

You've got to be kidding me if you think Pakistan is interested in peace of any kind with India.

I have no idea what Pakistan's intentions are, but I would rather trust and support India than Pakistan. It's not even close.

I think the problem is that your post was a giant personal insult against all Pakistanis.

Pakistan is a cheap nation that alternately employs and rejects the wounds of the past to suit its convenience. Now, that would be totally understandable if Pakistan was a nation of its people. But Pakistan is a nation of its religion and its existence is embodied in individuals like Sultan. India is secular, India is democratic and for all its ills, India is progressing while Pakistan is regressing.

Agreed, Pakistan is a shvt hole. We can only hope that people like Sultan are not very common there, but that would probably be pretty foolish. As I always said, it's a pretty backwards country.

Fat-ass Americans on the other hand are so fvcking myopic that they think it is somehow fashionable or intellectual or otherwise benevolent to view both India and Pakistan as equals. I should learn to care less, but it truly feels insulting when India is spoken of in the same breath as Pakistan. It is such a terrible discouragement to the principles of secularism, democracy, education, law and order and basic human decency.

Nobody is saying that India and Pakistan are the same. I'm questioning your statements about how you feel that you are somehow inherently superior to Pakistans - even ones in the United States. I wish that you would have left your hate behind. Or perhaps I am seeing your statements differently.

Don't bring your hatred here to the United States. We don't need it. Maybe you are trying to say something different, and if so then I apologize.

I think you need to take a few breaths and get that nationalistic rage out of you.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: raildogg
I dont know why America would sell these advanced weapons to a rogue terrorist sponsoring state like Pakistan. This is the same state that was aiding Iran in its nuclear ambitions. It still is IMO.

Shame on America. Shame shame shame.

We have to support our economy

support our economy even if our actions lead to our own destruction, woohoo

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I have to agree with xyyz some here. What atithi is saying is kind of out there.

Maybe he is just so traumatized by any link to a future child murderer - Sultan.

We sell arms to each country, so there's no bias. If they want to blow each other away, why shouldn't we profit?

Maybe if both of the countries were backwards shvt holes then that would be fine. However Pakistan is a complete and utter shvthole ruled under a dictatorship and the other one isn't.

But I suppose that is too idealisitc..so we might as well profit.

Either way, money is money. Besides, Pakistan was once a democracy. It can always go back if it wanted to. I don't think they're in a rush, with all those terrorists running around and islamic-terrorism being as popular as it is over there. Once things cool down, then we can talk democracy.

never a democracy. always a corrupt dictatorship

and it will be a century before it even gets anywhere near a democracy

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: raildogg
I dont know why America would sell these advanced weapons to a rogue terrorist sponsoring state like Pakistan. This is the same state that was aiding Iran in its nuclear ambitions. It still is IMO.

Shame on America. Shame shame shame.

We have to support our economy

support our economy even if our actions lead to our own destruction, woohoo

WE Americans are too dumb and arrogant not to learn from History

Supported Saddam
Supported bin laden and the Mujhadeen

 

[chuckieland]

i think all the anandtech forum member from indian should repect that, us government will do what is best interest for USA, sometime that may not be the best interest for india. but that's life.
if selling weapon to pakistan is in the best interest for the USA, why shouldn't they do it.
every country for themself, and USA is nobody's bitch.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Nobody is saying that India and Pakistan are the same. I'm questioning your statements about how you feel that you are somehow inherently superior to Pakistans - even ones in the United States. I wish that you would have left your hate behind. Or perhaps I am seeing your statements differently.

Don't bring your hatred here to the United States. We don't need it. Maybe you are trying to say something different, and if so then I apologize.

I think you need to take a few breaths and get that nationalistic rage out of you.

Indians are not inherently superior to Pakistanis. They worked damned hard at getting there.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Nobody is saying that India and Pakistan are the same. I'm questioning your statements about how you feel that you are somehow inherently superior to Pakistans - even ones in the United States. I wish that you would have left your hate behind. Or perhaps I am seeing your statements differently.

Don't bring your hatred here to the United States. We don't need it. Maybe you are trying to say something different, and if so then I apologize.

I think you need to take a few breaths and get that nationalistic rage out of you.

Indians are not inherently superior to Pakistanis. They worked damned hard at getting there.

wtf are you talking about????

noone is superior.

Its just that Pakistan is a corrupt dictatorship which is directly or indirectly supporting terrorism. Please dont bring race into this.

India on the other hand, is a thriving democracy and has been for over a 50 years.