US troops deploying into Israel

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...an-maneuvers/2012/01/05/gIQAE0QqcP_story.html

The Israeli military is gearing up together with U.S. forces for a major missile defense exercise, the Israeli military announced Thursday, as tension between Iran and the international community escalates.

Israel’s military said the drill with the U.S. was planned long ago and is not tied to recent events.

Andrew J. Shapiro, assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs, said in a November speech that the upcoming exercise will be “by far the largest and the most significant exercise” involving the two nations.
 

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Israel’s military said the drill with the U.S. was planned long ago and is not tied to recent events.

Experts say lots of things that may or may not be true. I know they didn't sell the iraq war as a war to liberate iraqi people from sadaam.
 

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Experts say lots of things that may or may not be true. I know they didn't sell the iraq war as a war to liberate iraqi people from sadaam.

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta previewed the exercise in a speech last month, saying it would be an example of unprecedented levels of defense cooperation that the Obama administration has achieved “to back up our unshakable commitment to Israel’s security.”

There is no doubt this was planned as the above demonstrates. Now is this a message to Iran? Well consider that diplomacy is politics on an international scale and that war (or demonstrations of military might) is an extension of diplomacy, then I believe the answer is obvious. This exercise demonstrates a level of support for the Israelis themselves, smooths the feathers of those in the US that think we're about to ditch all support, provides something material for Iran to think about and is practice for the armed forces of both nations. One activity performing many functions.
 

DesiPower

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Good, I live in a military town and there were words of worry about what's gonna happen as the wars draw down... i guess we have nothing to worry about :biggrin:
 

Nebor

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It's a massive air defense exercise, just to demonstrate that Iran couldn't hurt Israel if it tried to.
 

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If we think about it, excellent anti missile defense has a very expensive downside. Something understood world wide for 40 years or more.

If the enemy missile that attacks you costs say only a dollar, and it costs you $40.00 to shoot it down, your enemy can increase their missile arsenal far cheaper than the defender can keep pace in the defensive arms race. Which side goes bankrupt first?

In short its a very dangerous game for both sides to play, diplomacy and compromise is far cheaper for all sides.

And there is another downside in the various tests of such defensive missiles, under perfect conditions with no enemy missile counter measures, the tests may yield a false sense of security, but in a real world tests against enemy missiles coming in fast, with counter measures such as jamming and presenting multiple radar signatures, the test performance may well fall far short of test real world results. With the other downside, once the defensive missiles are depleted, all other remaining enemy missiles hit their targets unimpeded.
 
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Unless the opponent has an endless supply of missiles and an equivalent defense system; there will be a can of whoop ass coming from one of the defense missiles.
 

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If we think about it, excellent anti missile defense has a very expensive downside. Something understood world wide for 40 years or more.

If the enemy missile that attacks you costs say only a dollar, and it costs you $40.00 to shoot it down, your enemy can increase their missile arsenal far cheaper than the defender can keep pace in the defensive arms race. Which side goes bankrupt first?

Not when they are nuclear missiles.
 

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If we think about it, excellent anti missile defense has a very expensive downside. Something understood world wide for 40 years or more.

If the enemy missile that attacks you costs say only a dollar, and it costs you $40.00 to shoot it down, your enemy can increase their missile arsenal far cheaper than the defender can keep pace in the defensive arms race. Which side goes bankrupt first?

In short its a very dangerous game for both sides to play, diplomacy and compromise is far cheaper for all sides.

And there is another downside in the various tests of such defensive missiles, under perfect conditions with no enemy missile counter measures, the tests may yield a false sense of security, but in a real world tests against enemy missiles coming in fast, with counter measures such as jamming and presenting multiple radar signatures, the test performance may well fall far short of test real world results. With the other downside, once the defensive missiles are depleted, all other remaining enemy missiles hit their targets unimpeded.

You know NOTHING about military equipment, strategy or tactics. You should really stop making posts like these, they just make you sound ignorant. Stick to predicting when Israel will enact Shariah law and join the global Jihad against NATO in Afghanistan.
 

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Unless the opponent has an endless supply of missiles and an equivalent defense system; there will be a can of whoop ass coming from one of the defense missiles.

Exactly.

Conflict is rarely constrained to one mode of operation and never is the full capacity of a nation used immediately. If Iran were to launch a sufficient number of weapons to overwhelm a missile defense system then Israel responds by eliminating the launchers. If that fails then it takes ever more aggressive action until real blood is drawn. That would not be in Iran's interest.
 

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There is something I don't get it.

Japan committed atrocites against China of several magnitudes worse than than the whole of Arab-Israeli conflicts but did we see armed conflict and terrorism between both since WW2? Nope, they are too busy making money with each other and improving their lives. Why can't Israel enemies to the same?
 

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Why are we putzing around in the middle east again? We should stop all Israeli, Palestinian, Pakistani and every other country in that region's foreign aide, close our military bases, pull out and wash our hands of this mess. After all, if you find yourself in the bottom of a hole the solution isn't to keep digging.
 

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There is something I don't get it.

Japan committed atrocites against China of several magnitudes worse than than the whole of Arab-Israeli conflicts but did we see armed conflict and terrorism between both since WW2? Nope, they are too busy making money with each other and improving their lives. Why can't Israel enemies to the same?

religion
 

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Some of you will get what you wish for; war with Iran. And, it looks like no one has learned a lesson from Iraq. Or rather, choose to ignore the reality of the Iraq invasion's conclusion.

I guess some of you have selected to cheer for death and destruction. You do not hope for peace; you just want Arabs and Muslims dead. Not even JUST the extremist - all of them. Now, it's even more clear than ever.

Which would explain how no one really ever addressed the innocent Iraqis killed. There is virtually no noise about dead innocent Iraqis in the US news and public voice. And, the people who DO bring it up are viewed and treated in the following manner:
1) They are enemies of the US, since they are "criticizing" the military
2) They are stupid, because they don't realize that "they" (Arabs and Muslims) are all out to kill Americans - and we have to get them before they get us.
3) They are just dismissed; radio silence or just flat out stating; "your dumb,.. huh-huh-uh-huh,...."

What is interesting, is that the war on terror is doing nothing more than creating more terrorists. People who push the war on terror clearly see the outcome and end result. You kill innocents, in the pursuit of the enemy, these innocents have surviving family members who will now hate and wish death on America. For one innocent killed, you have easily 10 to 15 people who are connected to said fatality - and they are now more than ever, inclined to help out terrorists and even become one.

There is no way in hell some of you do not realize this. Which means, you just want Arabs and Muslims dead.

Enjoy the out come of picking a fight with over a billion people. People who are willing to blow themselves up, just to kill you.

Also, I was initially pretty shocked at how quickly some of you have forgotten Iraq. But again, you want to see and hear about death in the Middle East - specifically towards Arabs and Muslims. So, the shock went away pretty quickly.
 
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yhelothar

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Some of you will get what you wish for; war with Iran. And, it looks like no one has learned a lesson from Iraq. Or rather, choose to ignore the reality of the Iraq invasion's conclusion.
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Shut up Paulbot with your tinfoil hat. Your views are dangerous and will get everyone killed. Islam is a religion of hate, and they will not stop until each and everyone of us is dead. Are you saying you support Israel being nuked?
 
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The US hasn't the time nor the money for a war with Iran. If there is one that means the Iranians have committed a serious act of provocation. That means that if Iran gets a war it's because it wants one. Why do you think the Iranian government wants to have it's people victims of war?
 

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Shut up Paulbot with your tinfoil hat. Your views are dangerous and will get everyone killed. Islam is a religion of hate, and they will not stop until each and everyone of us is dead. Are you saying you support Israel being nuked?

Wow - two out of left field.

1) What the fuck is a Paulbot? A Ron Paul supporter? I think he is a shithead racists conservative fuck stain cock sucker. Does that sound like words of a Ron Paul supporter?

2) Nuked, from WHO? Iran? You accuse me of being a "bot" and here you are spitting out propaganda, in support of a war with Iran.

Now, your firm belief that Islam is a religion of hate - THAT is expected. You are nothing more than a xenophobic racists. Wait,... don't even bother responding, I already know what your answer is; "Macamus Prime, YOU are the racist."
 

yhelothar

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Wow - two out of left field.

1) What the fuck is a Paulbot? A Ron Paul supporter? I think he is a shithead racists conservative fuck stain cock sucker. Does that sound like words of a Ron Paul supporter?

2) Nuked, from WHO? Iran? You accuse me of being a "bot" and here you are spitting out propaganda, in support of a war with Iran.

Now, your firm belief that Islam is a religion of hate - THAT is expected. You are nothing more than a xenophobic racists. Wait,... don't even bother responding, I already know what your answer is; "Macamus Prime, YOU are the racist."

Apologies, I was thinking that my post is absurd enough that it would have registered on your sarcasm meter... but then again, a large proportion of the American public actually do hold those views.
 

yhelothar

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Iran hasn't the time nor the money nor military strength for a war with US. If there is one that means the US have committed a serious act of provocation. That means that if US gets a war it's because it wants one. Why do you think the US government wants to have it's people victims of war?

That's a good question. Why?
 
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