US Uses Napalm in Fallujah!

[KidViciou$]

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/...apalmed-name_page.html

 

[dahunan]

I really hope/wish this is not true.. but knowing this administration it probably is..

 

[theblackbox]

we've been using mk 77's since 2003 which really isn't napalm but worse, much harder to put out, uses kersone and some oxidizing agent. the us quit denying that last year. thats not really new news, just forgotten or shuffled away news.

2003

 

[KidViciou$]

yea, they said at the bottom of the article that the US admitted in august after being forced to admit

i guess the britishers just found out about it like us, which is why they forced blair to confront the commons

 

[judasmachine]

Air Fuel Weapons. They burst and spray flammable materials out over a rather large area, then a secondary charge goes off igniting it. In theory you inhale it before the cloud ignites and you are immolated inside out, and outside in. At least that's how I remember it. I did a paper on it years ago. Incredibly nasty weapons. I think they need to be banned too.

edit This is what I found with Google: Fuel-air weapons work by initially detonating a scattering charge within a bomb, rocket or grenade warhead. The warhead contents, which are composed of either volatile gases, liquids or finely powdered explosives, form an aerosol cloud. This cloud is then ignited and the subsequent fireball sears the surrounding area while consuming the oxygen in this area. The lack of oxygen creates an enormous overpressure. This overpressure, or blast wave, is the primary casualty-producing force. In several dozen microseconds, the pressure at the center of the explosion can reach 30 kilograms per square centimeter (427 pounds per square inch) ? normal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 pounds per square inch with a temperature between 2,500-3,000 degrees Centigrade [4,532-5,432 degrees Fahrenheit]. This is 1.5 to 2 times greater than the overpressure caused by conventional explosives. Personnel under the cloud are literally crushed to death. Outside the cloud area, the blast wave travels at some 3,000 meters per second [9843 feet per second]1. The resultant vacuum pulls in loose objects to fill the void. Those personnel caught directly under the aerosol cloud will die from the flame or overpressure. For those on the periphery of the strike, the injuries can be severe. Burns, broken bones, contusions from flying debris and blindness may result. Further, the crushing injuries from the overpressure can create air embolism within blood vessels, concussions, multiple internal hemorrhages in the liver and spleen, collapsed lungs, rupture of the eardrums and displacement of the eyes from their sockets.18 Displacement and tearing of internal organs can lead to peritonitus. Most military medics are well trained in stopping the bleeding, protecting the wound and treating for shock. Many of the injuries caused by thermobaric weapons are internal and may not be initially noticed by the medic or doctor.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I wouldn't be surprised if this article is BS, but the sad thing is that I wouldn't be surprised if this administration did something like this. For some reason I think that if the US actually did use Napalm, it would be more widely reported than apparent 'hack' of a website.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is what theblackbox is talking about. I'm sure the US army has plenty of weapons that can cause similar damage.

 

[theblackbox]

update


we've used firebombs, and still do, not technically napalm, but none the less devastating. a shame if it were used on civilians, that would be horrible, that is why the UN banned napalm to begin with.

 

[judasmachine]

napalm-esque weapons are a differant breed than air-fuel weapons. so i was apparently wrong on that account.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Air Fuel Weapons. They burst and spray flammable materials out over a rather large area, then a secondary charge goes off igniting it. In theory you inhale it before the cloud ignites and you are immolated inside out, and outside in. At least that's how I remember it. I did a paper on it years ago. Incredibly nasty weapons. I think they need to be banned too.

edit This is what I found with Google: Fuel-air weapons work by initially detonating a scattering charge within a bomb, rocket or grenade warhead. The warhead contents, which are composed of either volatile gases, liquids or finely powdered explosives, form an aerosol cloud. This cloud is then ignited and the subsequent fireball sears the surrounding area while consuming the oxygen in this area. The lack of oxygen creates an enormous overpressure. This overpressure, or blast wave, is the primary casualty-producing force. In several dozen microseconds, the pressure at the center of the explosion can reach 30 kilograms per square centimeter (427 pounds per square inch) ? normal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 pounds per square inch with a temperature between 2,500-3,000 degrees Centigrade [4,532-5,432 degrees Fahrenheit]. This is 1.5 to 2 times greater than the overpressure caused by conventional explosives. Personnel under the cloud are literally crushed to death. Outside the cloud area, the blast wave travels at some 3,000 meters per second [9843 feet per second]1. The resultant vacuum pulls in loose objects to fill the void. Those personnel caught directly under the aerosol cloud will die from the flame or overpressure. For those on the periphery of the strike, the injuries can be severe. Burns, broken bones, contusions from flying debris and blindness may result. Further, the crushing injuries from the overpressure can create air embolism within blood vessels, concussions, multiple internal hemorrhages in the liver and spleen, collapsed lungs, rupture of the eardrums and displacement of the eyes from their sockets.18 Displacement and tearing of internal organs can lead to peritonitus. Most military medics are well trained in stopping the bleeding, protecting the wound and treating for shock. Many of the injuries caused by thermobaric weapons are internal and may not be initially noticed by the medic or doctor.

this might sound callous/morbid, but that's genius.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Air Fuel Weapons. They burst and spray flammable materials out over a rather large area, then a secondary charge goes off igniting it. In theory you inhale it before the cloud ignites and you are immolated inside out, and outside in. At least that's how I remember it. I did a paper on it years ago. Incredibly nasty weapons. I think they need to be banned too.

edit This is what I found with Google: Fuel-air weapons work by initially detonating a scattering charge within a bomb, rocket or grenade warhead. The warhead contents, which are composed of either volatile gases, liquids or finely powdered explosives, form an aerosol cloud. This cloud is then ignited and the subsequent fireball sears the surrounding area while consuming the oxygen in this area. The lack of oxygen creates an enormous overpressure. This overpressure, or blast wave, is the primary casualty-producing force. In several dozen microseconds, the pressure at the center of the explosion can reach 30 kilograms per square centimeter (427 pounds per square inch) ? normal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 pounds per square inch with a temperature between 2,500-3,000 degrees Centigrade [4,532-5,432 degrees Fahrenheit]. This is 1.5 to 2 times greater than the overpressure caused by conventional explosives. Personnel under the cloud are literally crushed to death. Outside the cloud area, the blast wave travels at some 3,000 meters per second [9843 feet per second]1. The resultant vacuum pulls in loose objects to fill the void. Those personnel caught directly under the aerosol cloud will die from the flame or overpressure. For those on the periphery of the strike, the injuries can be severe. Burns, broken bones, contusions from flying debris and blindness may result. Further, the crushing injuries from the overpressure can create air embolism within blood vessels, concussions, multiple internal hemorrhages in the liver and spleen, collapsed lungs, rupture of the eardrums and displacement of the eyes from their sockets.18 Displacement and tearing of internal organs can lead to peritonitus. Most military medics are well trained in stopping the bleeding, protecting the wound and treating for shock. Many of the injuries caused by thermobaric weapons are internal and may not be initially noticed by the medic or doctor.

this might sound callous/morbid, but that's genius.

Yeah it's amazing the things we're capable of, when stick and stones will work.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Air Fuel Weapons. They burst and spray flammable materials out over a rather large area, then a secondary charge goes off igniting it. In theory you inhale it before the cloud ignites and you are immolated inside out, and outside in. At least that's how I remember it. I did a paper on it years ago. Incredibly nasty weapons. I think they need to be banned too.

edit This is what I found with Google: Fuel-air weapons work by initially detonating a scattering charge within a bomb, rocket or grenade warhead. The warhead contents, which are composed of either volatile gases, liquids or finely powdered explosives, form an aerosol cloud. This cloud is then ignited and the subsequent fireball sears the surrounding area while consuming the oxygen in this area. The lack of oxygen creates an enormous overpressure. This overpressure, or blast wave, is the primary casualty-producing force. In several dozen microseconds, the pressure at the center of the explosion can reach 30 kilograms per square centimeter (427 pounds per square inch) ? normal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 pounds per square inch with a temperature between 2,500-3,000 degrees Centigrade [4,532-5,432 degrees Fahrenheit]. This is 1.5 to 2 times greater than the overpressure caused by conventional explosives. Personnel under the cloud are literally crushed to death. Outside the cloud area, the blast wave travels at some 3,000 meters per second [9843 feet per second]1. The resultant vacuum pulls in loose objects to fill the void. Those personnel caught directly under the aerosol cloud will die from the flame or overpressure. For those on the periphery of the strike, the injuries can be severe. Burns, broken bones, contusions from flying debris and blindness may result. Further, the crushing injuries from the overpressure can create air embolism within blood vessels, concussions, multiple internal hemorrhages in the liver and spleen, collapsed lungs, rupture of the eardrums and displacement of the eyes from their sockets.18 Displacement and tearing of internal organs can lead to peritonitus. Most military medics are well trained in stopping the bleeding, protecting the wound and treating for shock. Many of the injuries caused by thermobaric weapons are internal and may not be initially noticed by the medic or doctor.

this might sound callous/morbid, but that's genius.

wow, i didn't read it until you pointed it out! is this considered a wmd?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Air Fuel Weapons. They burst and spray flammable materials out over a rather large area, then a secondary charge goes off igniting it. In theory you inhale it before the cloud ignites and you are immolated inside out, and outside in. At least that's how I remember it. I did a paper on it years ago. Incredibly nasty weapons. I think they need to be banned too.

edit This is what I found with Google: Fuel-air weapons work by initially detonating a scattering charge within a bomb, rocket or grenade warhead. The warhead contents, which are composed of either volatile gases, liquids or finely powdered explosives, form an aerosol cloud. This cloud is then ignited and the subsequent fireball sears the surrounding area while consuming the oxygen in this area. The lack of oxygen creates an enormous overpressure. This overpressure, or blast wave, is the primary casualty-producing force. In several dozen microseconds, the pressure at the center of the explosion can reach 30 kilograms per square centimeter (427 pounds per square inch) ? normal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 pounds per square inch with a temperature between 2,500-3,000 degrees Centigrade [4,532-5,432 degrees Fahrenheit]. This is 1.5 to 2 times greater than the overpressure caused by conventional explosives. Personnel under the cloud are literally crushed to death. Outside the cloud area, the blast wave travels at some 3,000 meters per second [9843 feet per second]1. The resultant vacuum pulls in loose objects to fill the void. Those personnel caught directly under the aerosol cloud will die from the flame or overpressure. For those on the periphery of the strike, the injuries can be severe. Burns, broken bones, contusions from flying debris and blindness may result. Further, the crushing injuries from the overpressure can create air embolism within blood vessels, concussions, multiple internal hemorrhages in the liver and spleen, collapsed lungs, rupture of the eardrums and displacement of the eyes from their sockets.18 Displacement and tearing of internal organs can lead to peritonitus. Most military medics are well trained in stopping the bleeding, protecting the wound and treating for shock. Many of the injuries caused by thermobaric weapons are internal and may not be initially noticed by the medic or doctor.

this might sound callous/morbid, but that's genius.

wow, i didn't read it until you pointed it out! is this considered a wmd?

AFAIK, they are frowned upon but not banned by any treaty. The Russians used them in Grosny. The US is supposed to have large stockpiles of them too. Oh and they are about as close to a nuke as you can get without using radioactive materials.

 

[ntdz]

i see no problem if it's true, i doubt it is though.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: ntdz
i see no problem if it's true, i doubt it is though.

the problem comes in when you consider that civillians might be in the blast radius, might just being a formality. they are in the blast radius

 

[judasmachine]

For those of you curious about F/A Explosive weapons: During Desert Storm the Marine Corps dropped all 254 CBU-72s, primarily from A-6Es, against mine fields and personnel in trenches

This is the "nice" government approved link. As it doesn't mention the actual effects of the weapon. Just some data on how it works. Immolation isn't mentioned. One reason they are popular with commanders is psychological effect, that and they cost under $4000 (in 2001 dollars) a piece.

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: ntdz
i see no problem if it's true, i doubt it is though.

Same here.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: ntdz
i see no problem if it's true, i doubt it is though.

no surpise there as you generaly dont see anything wrong with anything no matter how far it goes

 

[DaFinn]

"America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon."

Yup, that sounds like US of A. A country well above the others...

 

[CycloWizard]

Why exactly do 'neocons' have explaining to do? Or are you just trolling?

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Why exactly do 'neocons' have explaining to do? Or are you just trolling?

the neo-cons are the one who say the bush administration can do no wrong, that it's inconcievable for them to err

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DaFinn
"America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon."

Yup, that sounds like US of A. A country well above the others...

Did Iraq and North Korea ratify this treaty. Oh wait...

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DaFinn
"America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon."

Yup, that sounds like US of A. A country well above the others...

Did Iraq and North Korea ratify this treaty. Oh wait...

yes always nice to compare the US of A to those countries when it comes to the moral high ground

 

[biostud]

I've never understood why it's worse to burn people with napalm, than blowing them up with conventional bombs.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DaFinn
"America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon."

Yup, that sounds like US of A. A country well above the others...

Did Iraq and North Korea ratify this treaty. Oh wait...

yes always nice to compare the US of A to those countries when it comes to the moral high ground

The point flew entirely over your head. You tried to say the USA was some bully by being the ONLY country to not ratify the treaty. I'm pointing out how fallacious and disingenous that comment is. Well, I'm sure there are many that didn't as well(either they didn't have the weapons, or they were asses). Why, then, should you be critical of the US? I love it. We are supposed to "win" battles without killing our troops, but we have to basically run up to the enemy and give them a love pat, and then put them down via lethal injection.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DaFinn
"America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon."

Yup, that sounds like US of A. A country well above the others...

Did Iraq and North Korea ratify this treaty. Oh wait...

yes always nice to compare the US of A to those countries when it comes to the moral high ground

The point flew entirely over your head. You tried to say the USA was some bully by being the ONLY country to not ratify the treaty. I'm pointing out how fallacious and disingenous that comment is. Well, I'm sure there are many that didn't as well(either they didn't have the weapons, or they were asses). Why, then, should you be critical of the US? I love it. We are supposed to "win" battles without killing our troops, but we have to basically run up to the enemy and give them a love pat, and then put them down via lethal injection.

errr no I didnt, you quoted dafinn, not me

if you want to uphold law and order, uphold international will, international treaties then for sure you must do so yourself when you are trying to force others to do the same right?