Originally posted by: judasmachine
The US just doesn't care about anything but it's own income. Too many people now are advocating the unthinkable. They are suggesting we use tactics we used to comdemn the Russians for, such as, preemptive strikes, leveling of entire cities so that you don't have to fight house to house, and shooting the wounded. If there is such a thing as moral supremecy, the US lost it about 3 years ago.
Originally posted by: torpid
The US has never had a problem slaughtering foreign civilians. We killed hundreds of thousands of japanese civilians with fireboms in WW2. Let's not even talk about the nukes we dropped. Why does it surprise people what the US will resort to in order to defeat an enemy? According to the official math equation, one US soldier's life is worth 40,000 civilians in Iraq, because they all know terrorists or someone in their family does anyway. Or at least they met a terrorist on the street once.
Originally posted by: Genx87
You think dropping an incinderary cluster bomb is as bad as dopping VX, Mustard, or a nuke?
interesting.
Originally posted by: torpid
The US has never had a problem slaughtering foreign civilians. We killed hundreds of thousands of japanese civilians with fireboms in WW2. Let's not even talk about the nukes we dropped. Why does it surprise people what the US will resort to in order to defeat an enemy? According to the official math equation, one US soldier's life is worth 40,000 civilians in Iraq, because they all know terrorists or someone in their family does anyway. Or at least they met a terrorist on the street once.
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Taejin
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Air Fuel Weapons. They burst and spray flammable materials out over a rather large area, then a secondary charge goes off igniting it. In theory you inhale it before the cloud ignites and you are immolated inside out, and outside in. At least that's how I remember it. I did a paper on it years ago. Incredibly nasty weapons. I think they need to be banned too.
edit This is what I found with Google: Fuel-air weapons work by initially detonating a scattering charge within a bomb, rocket or grenade warhead. The warhead contents, which are composed of either volatile gases, liquids or finely powdered explosives, form an aerosol cloud. This cloud is then ignited and the subsequent fireball sears the surrounding area while consuming the oxygen in this area. The lack of oxygen creates an enormous overpressure. This overpressure, or blast wave, is the primary casualty-producing force. In several dozen microseconds, the pressure at the center of the explosion can reach 30 kilograms per square centimeter (427 pounds per square inch) ? normal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 pounds per square inch with a temperature between 2,500-3,000 degrees Centigrade [4,532-5,432 degrees Fahrenheit]. This is 1.5 to 2 times greater than the overpressure caused by conventional explosives. Personnel under the cloud are literally crushed to death. Outside the cloud area, the blast wave travels at some 3,000 meters per second [9843 feet per second]1. The resultant vacuum pulls in loose objects to fill the void. Those personnel caught directly under the aerosol cloud will die from the flame or overpressure. For those on the periphery of the strike, the injuries can be severe. Burns, broken bones, contusions from flying debris and blindness may result. Further, the crushing injuries from the overpressure can create air embolism within blood vessels, concussions, multiple internal hemorrhages in the liver and spleen, collapsed lungs, rupture of the eardrums and displacement of the eyes from their sockets.18 Displacement and tearing of internal organs can lead to peritonitus. Most military medics are well trained in stopping the bleeding, protecting the wound and treating for shock. Many of the injuries caused by thermobaric weapons are internal and may not be initially noticed by the medic or doctor.
this might sound callous/morbid, but that's genius.
Yeah it's amazing the things we're capable of, when stick and stones will work.
Originally posted by: torpid
The US has never had a problem slaughtering foreign civilians. We killed hundreds of thousands of japanese civilians with fireboms in WW2. Let's not even talk about the nukes we dropped. Why does it surprise people what the US will resort to in order to defeat an enemy? According to the official math equation, one US soldier's life is worth 40,000 civilians in Iraq, because they all know terrorists or someone in their family does anyway. Or at least they met a terrorist on the street once.
Germans bombed London, so who cares if we bombed some German Civilians in WWII.
"Never argue with an idiot. He'll bring you down to his level and beat you with experience."
When the Japanese invaded Korea they cut down all the trees in the country and treated civilians like they were lower than cattle.
Originally posted by: kage69
When the Japanese invaded Korea they cut down all the trees in the country and treated civilians like they were lower than cattle.
Well I just got back from South Korea (Seoul and Taegu) and can assure you there is no shortage of trees there.
Originally posted by: rahvin
Back the the original post, Napalm isn't banned and I don't see the problem in using it.
US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?
Paul Gilfeather ? The Mirror
Sunday November 28, 2004
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Since the American assault on Fallujah there have been reports of "melted" corpses, which appeared to have napalm injuries.
Last August the US was forced to admit using the gas in Iraq.
A 1980 UN convention banned the use of napalm against civilians - after pictures of a naked girl victim fleeing in Vietnam shocked the world.
America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon.
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: rahvin
Back the the original post, Napalm isn't banned and I don't see the problem in using it.
Just a moment, napalm is banned by UN treaty everywhere except the United States because we refused to ratify the treaty. I can't imagine how anyone could justify the use of napalm.
Fallujah napalmed
US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?
Paul Gilfeather ? The Mirror
Sunday November 28, 2004
...
Since the American assault on Fallujah there have been reports of "melted" corpses, which appeared to have napalm injuries.
Last August the US was forced to admit using the gas in Iraq.
A 1980 UN convention banned the use of napalm against civilians - after pictures of a naked girl victim fleeing in Vietnam shocked the world.
America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon.
Originally posted by: piasabird
When the Japanese invaded Korea they cut down all the trees in the country
Dr. Khalid ash-Shaykhli, an official at Iraq?s health ministry, said that the U.S. military used internationally banned weapons during its deadly offensive in the city of Fallujah.
Dr. ash-Shaykhli was assigned by the ministry to assess the health conditions in Fallujah following the November assault there.
He said that researches, prepared by his medical team, prove that U.S. occupation forces used internationally prohibited substances, including mustard gas, nerve gas, and other burning chemicals in their attacks in the war-torn city.
The health official announced his findings at a news conference in the health ministry building in Baghdad.
The press conference was attended by more than 20 Iraqi and foreign media networks, including the Iraqi ash-Sharqiyah TV network, the Iraqi as-Sabah newspaper, the U.S. Washington Post and the Knight-Ridder service.
Dr. ash-Shaykhli started the conference by reporting the current health conditions of the Fallujah residents. He said that the city is still suffering from the effects of chemical substances and other types of weapons that cause serious diseases over the long term.
Asked whether limited nuclear weapons were also used by U.S. forces in Fallujah, Dr. ash-Shaykhli said; ?What I saw during our research in Fallujah leads me to me believe everything that has been said about that battle.
?I absolutely do not exclude their use of nuclear and chemical substances, since all forms of nature were wiped out in that city. I can even say that we found dozens, if not hundreds, of stray dogs, cats, and birds that had perished as a result of those gasses.?
Dr. ash-Shaykhli promised to send the findings of the researches to responsible bodies inside Iraq and abroad.
Fallujah residents said napalm gas was used
During the U.S. offensive, Fallujah residents reported that they saw ?melted? bodies in the city, which suggests that U.S. forces used napalm gas, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel that makes the human body melt.
In November, Labour MPs in the UK demanded Prime Minister Tony Blair to confront the Commons over the use of napalm gas in Fallujah.
Furious critics have also demanded that Blair threatens the U.S. to pullout British forces from Iraq unless the U.S. stops using the world?s deadliest weapon.
The United Nations banned the use of the napalm gas against civilians in 1980 after pictures of a naked wounded girl in Vietnam shocked the world.
The United States, which didn't endorse the convention, is the only nation in the world still using the deadly weapon.
God who said most of the civilians died you assface. They said like 1000 or something.Originally posted by: yllus
And every moron knows that 75% of buildings were utterly destroyed and most of the 300,000 civilians of the city died during the U.S. siege of Fallujah.
Right BBond?
Originally posted by: Proletariat
God who said most of the civilians died you assface. They said like 1000 or something.Originally posted by: yllus
And every moron knows that 75% of buildings were utterly destroyed and most of the 300,000 civilians of the city died during the U.S. siege of Fallujah.
Right BBond?
As compared to what, H-bombs. you wouldn't even want some 50 pounders falling in your neighborhood, 500's and no more neighborhood.Originally posted by: BBond
But we all know dropping 500 pound bombs, tank shells, and napalm don't really do much damage.