Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Proletariat
God who said most of the civilians died you assface. They said like 1000 or something.Originally posted by: yllus
And every moron knows that 75% of buildings were utterly destroyed and most of the 300,000 civilians of the city died during the U.S. siege of Fallujah.
Right BBond?
Reports I read said 1200 civilians were murdered during the seige of Fallujah and 75% of the buildings in the city suffered major damage.
But we all know dropping 500 pound bombs, tank shells, and napalm don't really do much damage.
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/...apalmed-name_page.html
Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
As compared to what, H-bombs. you wouldn't even want some 50 pounders falling in your neighborhood, 500's and no more neighborhood.Originally posted by: BBond
But we all know dropping 500 pound bombs, tank shells, and napalm don't really do much damage.
Originally posted by: maluckey
Furthermore,
Used DU rounds in themselves are not a serious threat if not eaten, or handled improperly. The problem with many people is their curiosity. Children in general are curious about the destroyed tanks, an climb in and around them, thus contaminating themselves. DU ordinance and vehicles destroyed by DU fire should be treated the same way that you would treat something contaminated with lead. Gloves, masks and thorough washing after contact.
As far as WMD. Precision guided ordinance with a localized area of contact are NOT WMD. WMD must be indiscriminate by nature. Chemicals that may or may not affect the intended target certainly qualify. Bombs that have a small area of effect, and have a very high probability of affecting the target do not qualify. Thermobaric weapons are legal throughout the world.
Originally posted by: SgtBuddy
For those who think the USA does not have WMD, think ICBM. We are just sane enough to not use them....again....maybe...unless Iran....well...maybe.....
Lawmakers who hailed Congress' decision in November to squash funding for two controversial nuclear weapons programs may have to go to the mat once again after indications from the Bush administration that it will seek to revive the program in its 2006 fiscal year budget.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has been a proponent of new nuclear weapons research since early in his term. After Congress ignored the administration's prior request of nearly $37 million to continue studying several weapons ? including the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator (search), or "bunker-buster" bomb, and a low-yield bomb, or "mini-nuke" ? officials began quietly looking for ways to restore them.
Napalm is banned by every nation on Earth except the USA.
Originally posted by: maluckey
Napalm is banned by every nation on Earth except the USA.
Bestiality is legal in some European countries, but is not in the USA. What's your point? Besides, I didn't mention Napalm.
Thermobaric weapons are legal throughout the world.
Originally posted by: irwincur
So now we are not allowed to use conventional weapons to fight a war? Should we start throwing sticks and rocks - would that be 'fair'.
weak minded liberals. If it was up to you the we would not exist.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: irwincur
So now we are not allowed to use conventional weapons to fight a war? Should we start throwing sticks and rocks - would that be 'fair'.
weak minded liberals. If it was up to you the we would not exist.
Using napalm on CIVILIAN targets is ok?.... bloodthirsty bastards.
And your analogy linking bestiality with napalm is indicative of the level of debate Bush believers sink to in order to defend the indefensible actions of their "chosen" leader.
you missed his point, it is common knowledge what agent orange did and the truth about gulf war syndrome is slowly coming to light, yet the army said both were "fake", so when the army says Uranium effects is "fake" then its hard to belive them. Expecialy since they have every motive to say what they say regardless of the truth of the matter, at the time of both agent orange and gulf war syndrome for the army to say the truth would be disasterous, same with uranium effects.Originally posted by: Proletariat
So if Agent Orange and the Gulf War Syndrome are "fake" according to the army. Than how do you explain cases like this in Vietnam:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/wfsf/high/2005/03.03/images/high1264735.jpg
Such horrific things were never recorded in pre-War Vietnam but now they are very common.
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: irwincur
So now we are not allowed to use conventional weapons to fight a war? Should we start throwing sticks and rocks - would that be 'fair'.
weak minded liberals. If it was up to you the we would not exist.
Using napalm on CIVILIAN targets is ok?.... bloodthirsty bastards.
Nothing was said about using weapons on civilians. Military weapons applied against military targets is legal under all International law. Civilian casualties are a terrible byproduct of war. The US does not intentionally target civilians. But when fighting in built-up areas, civilian casualties are highly likely.
To the US's credit, they take great pains to evacuate as much of the Fallujah population as could get out before starting their assualt. Much unlike the Iraqi terrorists who take great pride in killing dozens or hundreds of Iraqi civilians in their car bombings.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Proletariat
God who said most of the civilians died you assface. They said like 1000 or something.Originally posted by: yllus
And every moron knows that 75% of buildings were utterly destroyed and most of the 300,000 civilians of the city died during the U.S. siege of Fallujah.
Right BBond?
Reports I read said 1200 civilians were murdered during the seige of Fallujah and 75% of the buildings in the city suffered major damage.
But we all know dropping 500 pound bombs, tank shells, and napalm don't really do much damage.
"Murdered"? 75% destroyed? got verification or just propaganda...."bbond"
CsG
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: irwincur
So now we are not allowed to use conventional weapons to fight a war? Should we start throwing sticks and rocks - would that be 'fair'.
weak minded liberals. If it was up to you the we would not exist.
Using napalm on CIVILIAN targets is ok?.... bloodthirsty bastards.
Nothing was said about using weapons on civilians. Military weapons applied against military targets is legal under all International law. Civilian casualties are a terrible byproduct of war. The US does not intentionally target civilians. But when fighting in built-up areas, civilian casualties are highly likely.
To the US's credit, they take great pains to evacuate as much of the Fallujah population as could get out before starting their assualt. Much unlike the Iraqi terrorists who take great pride in killing dozens or hundreds of Iraqi civilians in their car bombings.
IIRC (and I do), the great pains the U.S. took to evacuate Falluja consisted of telling everyone to get out -- except "military age" males who were turned back at check points and forced to stay in the city.
Everyone left in the city, the men who were forced back and anyone who was too poor to leave were then declared "insurgents" and their extermination began.
the great pains the U.S. took to evacuate Falluja consisted of telling everyone to get out -- except "military age" males who were turned back at check points and forced to stay in the city.
Everyone left in the city, the men who were forced back and anyone who was too poor to leave were then declared "insurgents" and their extermination began.
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On November 8, the American army launched its biggest ever assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja, considered a stronghold for rebel fighters. The US said the raid had been a huge success, killing 1,200 insurgents. Most of the city's 300,000 residents, meanwhile, had fled for their lives. What really happened in the siege of Falluja? In a joint investigation for the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Iraqi doctor Ali Fadhil compiled the first independent reports from the devastated city, where he found scores of unburied corpses, rabid dogs - and a dangerously embittered population Watch an extract from the documentary
December 27
I woke up at home in Baghdad around 9am. I had had enough of Falluja, but I still felt that I didn't understand what had happened. The city was completely devastated - but where were the bodies of all the dead fighters the Americans had killed?
I wanted to ask Dr Adnan Chaichan about the wounded. I found him at the main hospital in Falluja at midday. He told me that all the doctors and medical staff were locked into the hospital at the beginning of the attack and not allowed out to treat anyone. The Iraqi National Guard, acting under US orders, had tied him and all the other doctors up inside the main hospital. The US had surrounded the hospital, while the National Guard had seized all their mobile phones and satellite phones, and left them with no way of communicating with the outside world. Chaichan seemed angrier with the National Guards than with anyone else.
He said that the phone lines inside the town were working, so wounded people in Falluja were calling the hospital and crying, and he was trying to give instructions over the phone to the local clinics and the mosques on how to treat the wounds. But nobody could get to the main hospital where all the supplies were and people were bleeding to death in the city.
It was late afternoon when I drove out of Falluja and back to Baghdad, feeling that I had just scratched the surface of what really happened there. But it is clear that by completely destroying this Sunni city, with the help of a mostly Shia National Guard, the US military has fanned the seeds of a civil war that is definitely coming. If there are elections now and the Shia win, that war is certain. The people I spoke to had no plans to vote. No one I met in those five days had a ballot paper.
A week after I arrived in London to make the film for Channel 4 News, the tape of the final interview arrived by Federal Express. It was the interview with Alzaim Abu, who had led the fighters in the Shuhada district of Falluja and fought the Americans in the early battles in the city centre. We had been been trying to track him down for nearly three weeks. Then Tariq had got a call from him the night I had left for London saying that he would talk.
There was a lot of bullshit in the interview; lots of bravado about how many Americans they had killed and about never surrendering and how Fallujans would win. He said that there were a few foreign fighters in the city, but none in his units; mostly, they were Fallujans.
But one thing stood out for me that explained the empty graveyard and the lack of bodies. He said that most of the fighters had been given orders to abandon the city by November 17, nine days after the assault began. "The withdrawal of the fighters was carried out following an order by our senior leadership. We did not pull out because we did not want to fight. We needed to regroup; it was a tactical move. The fighters decided to redeploy to Amiriya and some went to Abu Ghraib," he said.
The US military destroyed Falluja, but simply spread the fighters out around the country. They also increased the chance of civil war in Iraq by using their new national guard of Shias to suppress Sunnis. Once, when a foreign journalist, an Irish guy, asked me whether I was Shia or Sunni - the way the Irish do because they have that thing about the IRA - I said I was Sushi. My father is Sunni and my mother is Shia. I never cared about these things. Now, after Falluja, it matters.