USA Broadband Speeds Sloooow by comparison

[nonameo]

I think the real problem is pride. Who really cares if we're not #1? or in the top 10? or whatever?

I could do without teh intarweb if I really had to.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
HOLY CRAP! Just think about what we are missing out on? Why aren't these speeds offered here? Heck I'd be fine with like 25mbps!

look at a map of Japan. then look at a map of the US. see a difference?

 

[Nocturnal]

Isn't it because the area is much smaller to cover than the entire USA?

 

[spidey07]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Regs
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: spidey07
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Regs
And if you want someone to blame...look towards the FCC and our sluggish political system.</end quote></div>

LOL!

The internet has been allowed to thrive because of the FCC and our political system.

competition is good.:thumbsup:</end quote></div>

Yeah. I have one communications company in my Area. I live in NJ btw. And my one communications company is likely going to be bought out by Comcast in the next year.

How many competitors are allowed to run phone, fiber optics, and digital wiring in your town? How many times has the FCC had to shut down a project because it could interfere with a radio signal?</end quote></div>

Any competitor is allowed to run lines anywhere, that's a state issue. If you only have one provider you are in the minority as most broadband customers have a choice.

If you don't like how your state is running things then notify your PSC, they'll get right on it.

So many people are so quick to shake their fist and blame it on "those evil corporations stealing from us!" when it's your own community/state that is holding you back.

 

[YoungGun21]

Umm... still nobody offers any of these services...

It can't be just because of geography

 

[fire400]

...even canada is beating us!

how embarassing!

pff, blame it on geography, kids.

Why does Korea have better cell phones than we do, all together?

same thing can be said about Internet. Just admit it, our marketting sucks over here.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Umm... still nobody offers any of these services...

It can't be just because of geography

It's not.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2065088

 

[kranky]

If we ignore youtube videos and illegal downloading of media, is there any big advantage to 61mbps versus 1.97? What value does all that extra bandwidth really serve? I'm serious, I have FIOS going right past our house and I can't come up with one good reason to switch from DSL.

 

[aries7]

Originally posted by: lyssword
3,717,813 sq mi divide by 144,689 sq mi = 25.7 x 1.97 = 50+ mb. So the U.S still lagging if you divide by the area to cover, but only by a little
However I do agree that ISP's in major cities should REALLY step up in their speed

Your right about that. From: http://www.itif.org/files/BroadbandRankings.pdf

First, some point to America?s low population
density as justification for slower broadband
penetration. Certainly, it is far less costly to
deploy broadband infrastructure to urban
apartment buildings in Seoul than to rural towns
in Wyoming. The problem with this argument is
that the majority of Americans do not live in
rural towns in Wyoming.

Therefore, a more appropriate gauge of
population density ? ?urbanicity? ? takes into
account both the percentage living in urban areas
and the average density of those areas.16 Among
OECD nations, there is virtually no correlation
between a country?s ?urbanicity? and its level of
broadband penetration (0.07). In other words,
OECD countries with more densely urban
populations do not necessarily have higher
levels of broadband take-up. Population density
is not a sufficient explanation for America?s
lagging broadband penetration.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I am going to make you all feel better. My service:
Speed: 160kbps
Price: $10 a month.
Uptime: ~90%

Yes, I have to click on a Youtube link and wait 2 minutes for it to load/buffer.
It sucks.

 

[Regs]

The only thing that is going to change this state is a civil war.

I hope PA or Ohio invades us soon. Potato launchers and firework sprinklers ... I don't care... use anything.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Isn't the US network just fast as hell? I mean seriously, what kind of nation has such a well developed network like we do that spans coast to coast. So many of you must use Dreamhost. Yet it's datacenter is located in LA. Works fine across the nation. Everytime I look at network backbone maps, it makes you wonder how the rest of the world is developed. I'm sure they have fast@$$ networks too. I mean just look at: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/ and you will see how well the US network is developed.

I'm confident we have the room for some extra bandwidth, but it's just that ISPs charge us an arm and a leg.

I'd like to see a report on how much bandwidth the US uses compared to other nations.

 

[SmoochyTX]

REPOST

 

[TraumaRN]

To those asking why do we need such bandwidth....well for alot of hospitals switching to electronic medical records, monster amounts of bandwidth is needed, all our radiology stuff is digital and the amount of hard disk space needed is enormous. I think it was something like on average 2.5 GB will get you 20 CT scans. then you have to be able to send it to other computers for it to be read etc etc...they requires MONSTER bandwidth. And considering so many of our doctors need to access these files at home...certain 'broadband' solutions are slower then 10W30 motor oil on a -100 degree Celsius day.


Here's the bandwidth I get from work right now....according to the speakeasy test...wouldn't that be nice to have at home?
Download Speed: 4542.5 KB/sec transfer rate
Upload Speed: 694.3 KB/sec transfer rate

It's really sad how slow our internet is, and how the cable and phone monopolies will keep it that way for years to come unless new legislation is introduced.

 

[spidey07]

Start with population density and using 2nd gen gear = faster.

America is moving forward with 3rd gen gear for gigabit to the home.

 

[vi edit]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: aries7
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: lyssword
3,717,813 sq mi divide by 144,689 sq mi = 25.7 x 1.97 = 50+ mb. So the U.S still lagging if you divide by the area to cover, but only by a little
However I do agree that ISP's in major cities should REALLY step up in their speed</end quote></div>

Your right about that. From: http://www.itif.org/files/BroadbandRankings.pdf

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>First, some point to America?s low population
density as justification for slower broadband
penetration. Certainly, it is far less costly to
deploy broadband infrastructure to urban
apartment buildings in Seoul than to rural towns
in Wyoming. The problem with this argument is
that the majority of Americans do not live in
rural towns in Wyoming.

Therefore, a more appropriate gauge of
population density ? ?urbanicity? ? takes into
account both the percentage living in urban areas
and the average density of those areas.16 Among
OECD nations, there is virtually no correlation
between a country?s ?urbanicity? and its level of
broadband penetration (0.07). In other words,
OECD countries with more densely urban
populations do not necessarily have higher
levels of broadband take-up. Population density
is not a sufficient explanation for America?s
lagging broadband penetration.</end quote></div>

</end quote></div>

But you still have to go THROUGH Wyoming...Nebraska...Iowa....ect to get to these denser populated areas. Who cares what local throughput is when the backbones going from city to city have to cover distances bigger than many countries in the world.

 

[senseamp]

I have choice between 384kbps reliable or 768kbps with CRC errors from ATT DSL because I am too far from the central office.
Apparently AT&T thinks that is a good recipe for future success, and they are in no big hurry to improve the situation. Oh yeah, this is in the heart of Silicon Valley, a few blocks away from Apple's Cupertino campus.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: potato28
But considering that Canada has a much larger area than the US, how do we have higher speeds? :Q

because 90% of your population lives within 100 miles of the US-Canada border

 

[otispunkmeyer]

its like in the UK here..... the old BT infastructure of what is basically bell wire. all those bundles of wire have to be unbundled n stuff and it takes donkeys years to do.

virgin media (formerly NTL:Telewest, formerly NTL, formerly Comcast) kinda pushed forward with fibre and big chunky coax cables.....which made the distance issue almost negligable.... but current ADSL offered by a number of ISP's all runs on BT's ageing telephone lines and as such distance and user load take their toll on performance.

not to mention that, to get internet from those ISP's you have to pay BT to rent the line as well! lol.

its easy to say just replace it all with new stuff, and they very probably are doing this.... slowly. but it just takes time and stacks of cash which BT dont have

 

[Regs]

Japan has a whole...3-4 industrious cities tops? Outside their urban areas are lucky to have running water.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: Aharami
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: potato28
But considering that Canada has a much larger area than the US, how do we have higher speeds? :Q</end quote></div>

because 90% of your population lives within 100 miles of the US-Canada border

Which has nothing to do with this argument since it's government mandated that our telecom/internet providers have to supply our small northern communities with the same speed internet access as urban/metro areas.

The fact is I've had 1.5mbps internet for almost 10 years.. and I can get 5.0mbps (when I'm at school) for 29.99 a month and download at over 650kbps, when it costs the same price in the states for a fraction of the speed.

The downtown core for my city is all prewired for high speed in every highrise, and the city provides free wireless throughout much of the downtown core.

I'm sorry dude but geography has nothing to do with it, rather we are much more inclined to keep pushing ourself as far to the forefront of technology as possible.

 

[fstime]

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[spidey07]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: RyanSengara
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Aharami
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: potato28
But considering that Canada has a much larger area than the US, how do we have higher speeds? :Q</end quote></div>

because 90% of your population lives within 100 miles of the US-Canada border</end quote></div>

Which has nothing to do with this argument since it's government mandated that our telecom/internet providers have to supply our small northern communities with the same speed internet access as urban/metro areas.

The fact is I've had 1.5mbps internet for almost 10 years.. and I can get 5.0mbps (when I'm at school) for 29.99 a month and download at over 650kbps, when it costs the same price in the states for a fraction of the speed.

The downtown core for my city is all prewired for high speed in every highrise, and the city provides free wireless throughout much of the downtown core.

I'm sorry dude but geography has nothing to do with it, rather we are much more inclined to keep pushing ourself as far to the forefront of technology as possible.</end quote></div>
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And happily take it up the tax rear because of it. Way to go.

News for you - it's not free.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: kranky
If we ignore youtube videos and illegal downloading of media, is there any big advantage to 61mbps versus 1.97? What value does all that extra bandwidth really serve? I'm serious, I have FIOS going right past our house and I can't come up with one good reason to switch from DSL.

Try using bittorrent for legal things (unlike most people here), for windows updates and SP's and Linux isos, you will be begging for more bandwidth.

 

[Regs]

And if you want someone to blame...look towards the FCC and our sluggish political system.