USA has the highest maternal mortality rate of all industrialized countries

Yakk

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Yeah, I didn't see this one coming, but this sad statistic shows the US is not even close to any other industrialized country when it comes to maternal mortality :

With an estimated 26.4 deaths for every 100,000 live births in 2015, America has the highest maternal mortality rate of all industrialized countries—by several times over. In Canada, the rate is 7.3; in Western Europe, the average is 7.2, with many countries including Italy, Norway, Sweden, and Austria showing rates around 4. More women die of childbirth-related causes in the US than they do in Iran (20.8), Lebanon (15.3), Turkey (15.8), Puerto Rico (15.1), China (17.7), and many more.

https://qz.com/1108193/whats-killing-americas-new-mothers/

America didn’t always fare so poorly in maternal health. Like most other developing countries, in the decades following the end of World War II, maternal mortality rates dropped across the US—until the late 1980s, when the trend began to reverse.


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shortylickens

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Yeah we know. Theres fuckloads of articles on this all over the web and assloads of threads here at Anandtech.
Most of them are appropriately in the P&N forum or Discussion Club.
 

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Are we better at keeping women alive and pregnant until childbirth even if they're riskier?
 

tynopik

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notice that massive jump in 2000? I wonder what caused it? Oh, the article actually tells us

Until the early 1990s, death certificates did not note if a woman was pregnant or had recently given birth when she died. It took until 2017 for all US states to add that check box to their death certificates.

so most of that jump likely came not from an actual difference in outcomes but from better reporting

and it gets better

Calculating the number of near-deaths and severe illnesses related to pregnancy is still guesswork. There is no standard or official method of tracking, and cases are not routinely documented. In other words, data collection about maternal health and mortality is a complete mess. Even gathering reliable data for this story was difficult. Quartz was forced to turn to state data where there was a lack of national data, and to supplement gaps of any data with anecdotal evidence.

so in other words, they flat out made up numbers for the US and took the government's word for other countries and then they're STUNNED, STUNNED I tell you that the US looks worse than other countries

from the related article:

It’s estimated that the spotty reporting that resulted missed up to half of all pregnancy-related deaths

put the same effort into 'correcting' the other country's stats and then we'll see how it looks
 

Slew Foot

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Random crappy ass liberal website puts up fake data to make the US look bad, news at 11
 

KeithP

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She walked towards the wheelchair that was going to take her to the nursery, and suddenly didn’t feel well. “I feel lightheaded,” she complained. Moments later, at age 30, Liz was dead.

The cause was a pulmonary embolism—a blood clot that travelled from her leg to her lungs, and killed her instantaneously.

Though she had a family history of blood clots, suggesting a genetic predisposition, and her risk was increased by the prolonged bed rest and the subsequent c-section surgery, to Matt’s knowledge Liz wasn’t given anticoagulant medications, or advised to exercise to help stimulate her blood flow.

If that death was considered the result of her pregnancy then I would argue that their stats are pure crap.

-KeithP
 

WelshBloke

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If that death was considered the result of her pregnancy then I would argue that their stats are pure crap.

-KeithP
If they weren't giving her anticoags after surgery and bed rest then that death should totally be part of those stats.
 

WelshBloke

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notice that massive jump in 2000? I wonder what caused it? Oh, the article actually tells us



so most of that jump likely came not from an actual difference in outcomes but from better reporting

and it gets better



so in other words, they flat out made up numbers for the US and took the government's word for other countries and then they're STUNNED, STUNNED I tell you that the US looks worse than other countries

from the related article:



put the same effort into 'correcting' the other country's stats and then we'll see how it looks
Ummm. All our death certs will say if the person was pregnant. If the death was unexpected there would also be an autopsy. Not sure what you are trying to say. That because the US has a fragmented health service that finds it hard to report on these things other countries with totally different systems must be worse?
 

Pulsar

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Random crappy ass liberal website puts up fake data to make the US look bad, news at 11

Typical. Let's go back for a second and take a look at a couple things. For instance, most European countries have legally mandated time off for both the new mother AND the new father. You don't think it helps when you have a C-section or a hard birth with postpartum depression to have the father at home to help out rather than stuck at work?

The US's 'free market' economy is totally screwed up when it comes to the amount of work we do and are expected to do as workers. If we're trying to compete with China, then's lets just go whole hog and institute mandatory 80 hour work weeks with no vacation at all. Or we can open our eyes to the fact that companies do not ever, ever, ever, have the well being of their employees at heart. Sleeping stations at work instituted for the 'good' of the employees, when in reality they were put in place so folks don't ever have an excuse to go home and stop working? 24x7 connectivity through cell phones with management that expects a response? Reclassification of workers to skirt overtime pay laws? I'm living through that right now.

Of course, if you think Trump is going to even attempt to fix this you're insane. I'm sure the companies will be 100% fair about the internet and everything else because Trump, Pai, and friends tell you so.
 

tynopik

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Typical. Let's go back for a second and take a look at a couple things. For instance, most European countries

stop right there, it wasn't even 'most European countries', it was stuff like Iran

also look at the huge jump in the US stats. There is no reason to think that reflects an actual change in the death rate

in other words it has no credibility
 

tynopik

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Not sure what you are trying to say. That because the US has a fragmented health service that finds it hard to report on these things other countries with totally different systems must be worse?

it's not that i think the other countries must be worse, it's that you think EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNTRY must be dramatically better
 

WelshBloke

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stop right there, it wasn't even 'most European countries', it was stuff like Iran

also look at the huge jump in the US stats. There is no reason to think that reflects an actual change in the death rate

in other words it has no credibility

So do you think the US is over reporting or that euro countries are under reporting?
 

WelshBloke

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it's not that i think the other countries must be worse, it's that you think EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNTRY must be dramatically better
It's not what I think, it's what the numbers reported in the OP say. I'm just asking if you think those numbers are wrong and what evidence you have for that.
 

tynopik

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So do you think the US is over reporting or that euro countries are under reporting?

i think when you hand massage the data and flat-out make up the numbers for one country, it's not reasonable to compare those stats to other countries that haven't undergone the same 'scrutiny'
 

tynopik

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It's not what I think, it's what the numbers reported in the OP say. I'm just asking if you think those numbers are wrong and what evidence you have for that.

sorry, the burden of proof is on the article, it's the one making the claims

it spent so much time about how awful the US stats were and then accepted the stats for the other countries without question
 

WelshBloke

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i think when you hand massage the data and flat-out make up the numbers for one country, it's not reasonable to compare those stats to other countries that haven't undergone the same 'scrutiny'
Eh? Which country are they flat out making up the data for?
 
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