USA Mass Shootings

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pauldun170

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gregoryvg

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Gun violence isn't a big deal because when people are shot, we can think about what happened and then recite a "prayer".
Thoughts and Prayers fix everything.

How is this any different than when a Muslim terrorist uses a rental truck to run over pedistrians and bike riders, or when they blow up a subway or concert? All I hear after these events are calls for "thoughts and prayers".
 

gregoryvg

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Unfortunately, other states without common sense gun laws are still pretty close by.

What are the common sense gun laws that would have stopped the Las Vegas shooting or the more recent church shooting?

Honestly, the only common sense gun laws that I can think of to stop these mentally unbalanced (or conspiratory) shootings would be to ban and confiscate all semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Anything short of that and you're just discussing laws that wouldn't really affect the outcome of these shooting sprees.
 

pauldun170

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How is this any different than when a Muslim terrorist uses a rental truck to run over pedistrians and bike riders, or when they blow up a subway or concert? All I hear after these events are calls for "thoughts and prayers".

In the US, concerts fall under white privilege rule. We are a nation of laws so if you are going to ruin a concert then you better the right skin tone and like Nascar.

In NY, we are so used to cab drivers running over pedestrians and bike riders that when the last incident occurred locals were more concerned with "will this impact my commute". Complicating things was the guy was from Florida AND New Jersey.
You have the Florida rule AND the New Jersey driver rule in place. Without the "I love ISIS " note a guy running down people in NYC is a non story.
Local News ran heavy with it because they know all the racists in Staten Island eat up all that ISIS terrorist praise Trump stuff.

Back to your point,
You can easily think and pray for someone with a handy emoji nowadays. So its a convenient way to move on from an event without doing to much thinking about it.
 

pauldun170

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What are the common sense gun laws that would have stopped the Las Vegas shooting or the more recent church shooting?

Honestly, the only common sense gun laws that I can think of to stop these mentally unbalanced (or conspiratory) shootings would be to ban and confiscate all semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Anything short of that and you're just discussing laws that wouldn't really affect the outcome of these shooting sprees.

One example would be the law where the Air Force was supposed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/air-force-error-allowed-texas-gunman-to-buy-weapons/ar-AAuvF6z
 

Muse

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mayne, if canada was warmer i would consider retiring there

but i am probably going to australia instead
Smart. And I hear they've taken the steps that they haven't in the USA, removing guns from the populace. Yeah, I like that. Can't feel safe anywhere in the USA. Bloody dumb, these Americans I tell you.
 

Muse

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...but they are upside down!
They're not, really. It just the way it's conventionally shown. There's no reason Australia can't be represented as on top and the USA as upside down. Arguably, that's the way it should be.
 
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Muse

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Lets ban all drugs and guns. After all, the drug problem is working out just nicely.

I think the ultimate problem is the psyche of society. Change the culture, not change the 2nd Amendment.
No, that is stupid. We should burn the 2nd Amendment, it's trash and should go on the trash heap of history like a lot of other stuff. You can't change the culture when it's built on idiotic notions.

And drugs are a different story from guns. Guns are killing machines. I kill you with a gun, you kill me, they kill them, they kill it... blah. Drugs, you take, it's you're trip, it affects you. It affects me if your drug addled self crashes into my car or whatever, but that's a different kettle of fish. That could be considered collateral damage, at least it's not the be all and end all of the business of guns, which is to kill.
 

Moonbeam

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I don't think there's any hope for a solution in this country. I sometimes wonder what if there was a mass shooting every single week, would that do it? And sadly, I honestly think not.
I think hordes of armed black ghetto youths wondering randomly though rural America killing thousands of locals a week would do it. Gun style assassinations of NRA members and Arms manufacturers and dealers would also be quite effective. Sadly, most gun killings are done by people who are quite insane so we can pretty well expect none of this will happen. I would pay, however, to see the latter as a movie with maybe Winona Ryder playing the Mother of an kid killed in a mass shooting.
 

blackangst1

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No, that is stupid. We should burn the 2nd Amendment, it's trash and should go on the trash heap of history like a lot of other stuff. You can't change the culture when it's built on idiotic notions.

And drugs are a different story from guns. Guns are killing machines. I kill you with a gun, you kill me, they kill them, they kill it... blah. Drugs, you take, it's you're trip, it affects you. It affects me if your drug addled self crashes into my car or whatever, but that's a different kettle of fish. That could be considered collateral damage, at least it's not the be all and end all of the business of guns, which is to kill.

You make it sound like people with guns kill more people than drugs, like, say, alcohol. Crazy I tell you!
 

pauldun170

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I think hordes of armed black ghetto youths wondering randomly though rural America killing thousands of locals a week would do it. Gun style assassinations of NRA members and Arms manufacturers and dealers would also be quite effective. Sadly, most gun killings are done by people who are quite insane so we can pretty well expect none of this will happen. I would pay, however, to see the latter as a movie with maybe Winona Ryder playing the Mother of an kid killed in a mass shooting.

The code for that is "Inner City". No need to type that all out.
I'm checking through the rule book and you might also be able to substitute "NRA member" with "Patriot".
 

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"Black people die. We need more jobs."

"White people die. Ban all guns."

This is the broken record being constantly played. Neither issue is so simple it's "ban guns" or "more jobs". Any simple resolution is a lie.
 

Red Squirrel

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whatever the case, at this point i'd rather live in a place where this problem didn't exist

That's one of the plus sides of being here in the north. People call it boring, but I call it safe and low stress life style.

Though in my city violence and especially theft has been going up over the years. :/ Not as bad as big cities, but there are still murders every couple years. The last one was a random stabbing in a park not that far from my house. That one kinda freaked me out as I often go in the field in front of my house late at night to check out stars or northern lights or whatever and take out my camera and such. That could have easily been me. I tend to always stay alert of my surroundings though and if I feel unsafe I casually pack up and go back to the house.
 

bradly1101

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I think hordes of armed black ghetto youths wondering randomly though rural America killing thousands of locals a week would do it. Gun style assassinations of NRA members and Arms manufacturers and dealers would also be quite effective. Sadly, most gun killings are done by people who are quite insane so we can pretty well expect none of this will happen. I would pay, however, to see the latter as a movie with maybe Winona Ryder playing the Mother of an kid killed in a mass shooting.
The shooting of the congressman didn't even result in changes, it just fired up the "us vs. them" wiring in our anciently configured brains which is no longer useful in modern society.
 

Moonbeam

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"Black people die. We need more jobs."

"White people die. Ban all guns."

This is the broken record being constantly played. Neither issue is so simple it's "ban guns" or "more jobs". Any simple resolution is a lie.
How about illegalizing all guns and creating jobs turning all of them into insulin injectors, charcoal lighters, and other fun things.
 

bradly1101

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I believe the gun problem in America can be unintentionally revealed in the words of Samuel Adams 229 years ago:
  • "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ... "
    -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)
How do we differentiate "peaceable citizens" from the violent or the deranged (outside of the limited use of background checks with their own limitations to predict future behavior)? (I know I've shared this before)
 

dank69

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Without getting too P&Ny, I'll just state that if policy makers really cared about gun violence they'd do something in Chicago.

But I digress. Lets ban all drugs and guns. After all, the drug problem is working out just nicely.

I think the ultimate problem is the psyche of society. Change the culture, not change the 2nd Amendment.
Great point Conner. Now tell us all how you would like to handle the abortion issue.
 

Muse

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I think hordes of armed black ghetto youths wondering randomly though rural America killing thousands of locals a week would do it. Gun style assassinations of NRA members and Arms manufacturers and dealers would also be quite effective. Sadly, most gun killings are done by people who are quite insane so we can pretty well expect none of this will happen. I would pay, however, to see the latter as a movie with maybe Winona Ryder playing the Mother of an kid killed in a mass shooting.
Nice movie and I am impressed with your imaginative development of the circumstances. Thanks for the images, seriously!

I will add, I don't disagree with your assessment of the insanity of these perpetrators. However, "experts" are proclaiming these people to be sane. Their yardstick for sanity is their ability to plan and execute the atrocities. They say that insane people would be too muddled mentally to pull it off. I (and you, evidently) have a higher standard for sanity.

Yeah, imagine someone sneaking a fully automatic assault weapon into an NRA convention and mowing down a few hundred! What would be the repercussions? Guns don't kill people, people kill people? Some people might be rethinking their positions.
 
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