USB 3.0 PCI Card ?

dig314

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Will there be USB 3.0 expansion PCI cards ?

Like this for regular USB?

<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815104216&cm_re=usb_pci_card-_-15-104-216-_-Product>
 

Ayah

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No. The theoretical max for the PCI bus (all the slots ride on the same bus) is 133MB/s for the desktop standard of PCI.
 

0roo0roo

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course the theoretical is nice, but early usb 3 devices won't reach anywhere near their max. anyways only ssd drives would have any chance of saturating pci.
 

Rifter

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PCIe maybe, PCI i doubt it, and even if it does happen you wont get much over USB 2 speeds anyways due to the limits of PCI and what else is already on that bus.
 

Ayah

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course the theoretical is nice, but early usb 3 devices won't reach anywhere near their max. anyways only ssd drives would have any chance of saturating pci.

Nobody is developing PCI anything. Hell, look at gigabit ethernet. It's all PCI-E. Even though a single gigabit connection won't saturate the theoretical max of a PCI bus, it's much safer to use PCI-E.

If you stick a relatively modern mechanical hard drive over USB 3, you can easily saturate PCI bandwidth if you're doing a large sequential read operation.
 

0roo0roo

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0roo0roo

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yup if the chips are going to be usb cheap as they should someones goin to crank out a pci adaptor...
 

Ayah

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I should reiterate: Nothing *modern* runs on PCI. It's just too slow.
 

F1N3ST

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No one loves PCI anymore. Video cards for PCI fail, other stuff doesn't quite need the bandwith. Probably because no one hugged PCI when it was young.

PCI-e slots are smaller and more powerful, many high end motherboards come with one or none PCI slots now. Wonder why? It's old as fuck.
 

Modelworks

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To be fair , most of the reason why pci isn't needed anymore is everything is integrated onto the board that once required a card. On the board they do still use the pci bus just without a slot but all the signaling , I/O , is still there.

The issue with USB3 delays was not in getting a card or chipset, the tech is nothing new, same tech is used in HDMI. It was with the cabling and connector which is extremely finicky . This is going to be a case where quality of the cable makes a huge difference the longer it gets. There are 11 wires total, 3 data pairs , 2 power, 3 ground, and each pair has to be independently shielded and then another shield over that for all the wires. USB2 only requires 4 wires and no shielding.

Expect to see some cheap cards out for it with a catch. USB3 can do error correction in hardware or software. Guess which is cheaper to make ?

Everyone is talking about the bandwidth but one area that people haven't thought about much is gamers. Many people like to increase polling on the mouse USB to increase the rate the cpu looks for changes. USB 2 works by the host repeatedly asking the device, do you have new data. USB3 doesn't use polling instead it uses the interrupt method. The host doesn't do anything but go on doing whatever it needs to do , as soon as the mouse moves data is sent that alerts the host regardless of what it is doing , the host acknowledges it and processes the data. The host is free to do other things till that data is sent.

Other major change is that usb3 is unicast. Every time you send data to devices connected to a USB2 interface , every device on that connection has to decode the data even if they cannot use it because the address of the target is mixed in with the data. So connect a mouse and usb stick on the same port and when sending a file to the stick the mouse has to decode it to see if the data is for it. USB3 sends data and address separately. So only the device that needs the data has to decode it.

USB3 also allows data to be sent out of order. USB2 has to send data, wait for a reply, before sending more data. USB3 allows data to be sent , next data to be sent, more data to be sent, before getting a reply that it was received. And the order the data is responded to does not have to match the order it was sent.

It will replace USB2 on motherboards because it still supports USB2 as part of the spec and USB2 will still be needed for devices that have really long cables and don't need the speed.
 

21stHermit

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USB3 also allows data to be sent out of order. USB2 has to send data, wait for a reply, before sending more data. USB3 allows data to be sent , next data to be sent, more data to be sent, before getting a reply that it was received. And the order the data is responded to does not have to match the order it was sent.
Isn't that how the internet works, allowing out of order data? The implication is that each data packet must have it's logical order embedded. Seems inefficient, but then I don't understand all the trade offs.
 

Modelworks

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Isn't that how the internet works, allowing out of order data? The implication is that each data packet must have it's logical order embedded. Seems inefficient, but then I don't understand all the trade offs.

Very similar. USB2 uses a method similar to TCP connections and USB3 uses something like UDP but with error correction where only the bad packets are re-transmitted.
 

21stHermit

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Very similar. USB2 uses a method similar to TCP connections and USB3 uses something like UDP but with error correction where only the bad packets are re-transmitted.
That takes smarts, who/where are the smarts. The PC or is their a smart controller at each end of the cable?
 

Modelworks

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That takes smarts, who/where are the smarts. The PC or is their a smart controller at each end of the cable?

That is where the consumer gets to decide. It can be done via dedicated hardware in the controller or via software on the cpu. So expect to see some cheap cards that use the host cpu.
 

vailr

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"The ASUS U3S6 Add-in card - USB 3.0 and SATA 6G for everyone else

Along with this new motherboard ASUS also sent us an add-in card that will offer both USB 3.0 and SATA 6G connectivity to all other users that didn't have the good fortune to have them integrated on their current motherboard. The ASUS U3S6 (get it, USB 3.0 and SATA 6G?) card will be sold individually with a modest MSRP of $29."

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=809

Requires a PCIe 4x slot, but can also work in a PCIe 16x (graphics card) slot.
 
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