USB Keyboards

arcain

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I was wondering what was a good USB keyboard. I don't particularly like the Microsoft Natural's, but the Internet Keyboard Pro does interest me. However, from the product description, I can't tell if the keyboard actually uses USB, or that it is just a PS/2 keyboard with a USB hub (why this would be the case I don't know, but I wouldn't want to be stuck with something like that). Other recommendations would also be great. Currently I have a collection of old BTC keyboards (AT! with PS/2 adaptors) which I really like, but the PS/2 port on my computer is starting to become loose, so I think it is about time to move on.
 

Seeko

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I have the Microsoft Internet Keyboard Pro and it has both PS/2 and USB connectors. If it didn't have a USB connector then the hub on the keyboard wouldn't not work.
 

arcain

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Thanks, I just wanted to make sure that the keyboard can be used as USB only.
 

Erasmus-X

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Is there a particular reason why you'd want to use a USB keyboard? They eat up CPU resources and I can't think of any other type of device that would actually use your PS/2 keyboard port.
 

arcain

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I really like my old BTC keyboards, so I'd like to use them as long as I can. Are there any AT or PS/2 to USB adaptors?

The reason I want switch to USB is because I've noticed the keyboard PS/2 socket is starting to become slightly loose. I've had the plug fall out while I was adjusting my computer, and since PS/2 isn't hot-pluggable, it is a pain in the butt to shutdown everything (with the mouse) and restart. USB on the other hand is hot pluggable (so if it were ever to fall out, I could just plug it right back).
 

JonDeep

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I have the Microsquish Internet Keyboard Pro and I think the USB connector is ONLY there for the USB hub. I do not think you can JUST use the USB connector for the keyboard, I think you have to use the PS/2 always. In any case, the manual says to always connect the PS/2 connector and the USB connector if you want to use the hub, if I recall.

I have not tried to connect just the USB not the PS/2 though ,
 

Mday

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arcain, there are adapters.

go to belkin's site and you can see a whole range of what can be USB'ed.
 

Mday

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the "hub" on the keyboards are bus powered which sucks. regular hubs have ac adapters.
 

arcain

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Woo.

I just got the Internet Keyboard Pro. It'll probably take me a little time to get used to it, but it seems to be working great. I use Win2000, didn't even crack open the CD, and it seems every hot key works except for the ones above the number pad (My Computer, Calculator, Sleep (I think I have APM disabled)). I didn't actually try the Stop/Prev/Next because I don't have a CD with me. The media doesn't seem to do anything either. I am happy to say that this all works without the PS/2 being plugged in.

I have not tried the USB hub, as I really don't have any USB devices except for my Intellimouse Explorer.
 

oneeighty

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I've been using the MSFT Keyboard Pro as a USB-only device for a few months now. I can confirm that full functionality of all the internet keys is retained w/o the PS/2 cable attached. The media button works like a charm and the volume control is in sync with the main volume on my MSFT DSS-80 speakers which is just fantastic. I also have my Logitech MouseMan USB plugged into the USB port and that works excellent as well. I've occasinally plug in my USB Sidewinder joystick into the other keyboard port w/o incident as well. I really like this keyboard.
 

PCAddict

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I have the Internet Keyboard Pro, and have had it for a few months. It works flawlessly and I have it connected via USB only.
 

fr

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Just wondering, since I'm about to get a Microsoft Natural Elite, why would anyone want to use the USB instead of the PS/2? Is the USB hub the only feature? Would my Logitech USB mouse work well on it?
 

RentaCow

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fr, that is a good question. I have a MS KB Elite 1.0 and so far I have found one reason to use the USB plug instead of PS/2. When playing Need for Speed High Steaks, I've found that you can't really play two player arcade slit screen on a single keyboard. The game interprets one user's inputs as the others (not to mention four hands crowded on a single little keyboard).

So what I do is plug in TWO keyboards at once. I have the MS KB l33t plugged into a USB port, and my old PS/2 KBD plugged into the PS/2 port.

With this setup two player can play NFS4 without problems! Woohoo!

Other than this, I'm not sure what good it is other than hopefully in the future we will be able to ERADICATE legacy crap interfaces such as PS/2...
 

RentaCow

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Oh yeah, something more to add...

I seriously doubt USB Keyboards use more CPU resources than PS/2 keyboards...

Reason being: Both the Universal Serial Bus and the PS/2 connections require some hardware based encoding/decoding since they are serial busses (narrow ones at that). Hard to explain if you haven't engineered anything using USB or regular serial bus before...

The point is both require HARDWARE based encoding/decoding of the signals accross the line. It could be done in software, but that would be extremely unecessarily complex and costly.

If the case of mice and KBDs, each peripheral has it's only little internal IC that does all the signal encoding for transfer over the serial bus. Then, the CHIPSET does all the decoding of the incoming serial data stream. More specifically your south bridge chip (it handles all the peripheral I/O stuff, whereas the northbridge handles communications with the CPU and RAM) does the serial data decoding.

Either way, the encoding/decoding of the data streams are all done in hardware and should therefore incurr no tangible performance inpacts.

I'd be surpised if anyone could prove that the USB version of your keyboard slows down your system to any benchmarkable smaller numbers.

Although there is a bit more to it than that...

USB devices need software support, but then again, so do PS/2 port devices.

There is one way you configure your USB KBD to degrade performance slightly.

PS/2 keyboard software support is normally provided for in your BIOS. USB software support is either supported at the OS level or in the BIOS (assuming your BIOS supports it, which all new ones should, else you won't be able to use your USB KBD in Dos or the BIOS or anywhere but the OS). If you have the software support set for the OS, there may be a slight performance penalty. However, if you enable USB keyboard support at the BIOS level it should not have ANY performance differeance than when using PS/2.

BTW, in my ASUS K7V bios the setting is called something like: "Enable legacy USB Support" or something odd like that. Setting it to enabled or auto does the trick...

Oh yeah, just in case you haven't figured it out I have studied up on actually implimenting a USB peripheral on a simple device I was working on for work. USB's are a hell of a lot more complex than ordinary slow speed serial busses (such as PS/2). Fortunately implimenting them isn't too too much (I think, I haven't yet made one work yet) more difficult since we already have purpose built USB tranciever IC's that do all the bitstuffing/unstuffing, NZRI (I think that is what it is called) encoding/decoding, and all that other complex USB specific jazz... Overall though I like USB anyways, even if it is allot more complex than a slow serial bus... The increased bandwidth and standardization all makes it worthwhile.
 
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