Used some Windows 8 Tablets at Staples last night

bonkers325

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Stopped by Staples last night to kill some time and saw they had the Samsung ATIV and Lenovo Twist on display. Samsung ATIV is the 11.6" Win8 tablet w/ S-Pen running on Atom w/ SGX545 and the Lenovo Twist is an ultrabook running core-i5 w/ Intel HD4000.

Only got to use each product for about 10 minutes, but my first impressions are that the OS is fluid and things are easy to use. Once you get accustomed to the new UI, it's pretty easy to navigate.

The Samsung Ativ feels good to use, but the S-Pen is disappointing. The tablet comes bundled with a bunch of Samsung apps. Their note taking app is there, but it's not as fluid or responsive w/ the S-Pen as I would have hoped. The digitizer is not pin-point accurate and there was sometimes a 1 second delay between actions. Could be because it was a display model though.

The Lenovo Twist is great to use but looks to be made of rubber/plastic. The 12.5" screen is mounted on a swivel hinge which is neat, but a little bulky if you want to carry it around as a tablet. It weighs 3.86 lbs, so it's not exactly light. Having a dedicated hardware keyboard is great. The touchpad barely gets used because you can scroll by touching the screen. The only time you will need a mouse/touchpad is when you need the pointing precision. The is made of plastic and looks fairly rugged, but also looks ugly. Wouldn't want to carry it around at all.

One annoying problem with Windows 8 is that when you are using the software keyboard, it does not pop up when you click a text field. That is supremely annoying as you have to manually toggle the keyboard whenever you want it. It gets pretty annoying because the address bar is always on the top of the screen and the keyboard toggle is on the task bar. Hopefully this gets fixed via software updates.

Another minor thing is that the hard windows key on the screen always brings you back to the Live Tile interface. It's not a problem if you have a dedicated keyboard because you can use the keyboard shortcut to bring you to the desktop... but the software keyboard does not do that. A minor annoyance, and not really a big deal. Hopefully power users can abandon the tiles altogether if they want to .

After using a full fledged Windows 8 tablet, I cannot see why you would want RT at all.
 

darkewaffle

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After using a full fledged Windows 8 tablet, I cannot see why you would want RT at all.

I think you could arguably apply that same chain of logic to "laptop" and "tablet" in their entirety. But it just doesn't work that way because it ignores all the intangibles that go into a purchasing decision. Buyers don't really care "limiting" themselves when it gets them something shiny, something neat, something new, something they want to show off.

Plus "we" still don't really know what buyers think about Windows tablets. Is it Windows first and a tablet second, or is it a tablet first and Windows second? I think which impression they have will determine how they want to use it.
 

bonkers325

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I think you could arguably apply that same chain of logic to "laptop" and "tablet" in their entirety. But it just doesn't work that way because it ignores all the intangibles that go into a purchasing decision. Buyers don't really care "limiting" themselves when it gets them something shiny, something neat, something new, something they want to show off.

Plus "we" still don't really know what buyers think about Windows tablets. Is it Windows first and a tablet second, or is it a tablet first and Windows second? I think which impression they have will determine how they want to use it.

That is true. But the ATIV is $600 while the Surface RT is $500. Full fledged Windows 8 can do everything that Windows 8 RT can. For an extra $100, you can get a much better product. The only difference is the ATIV runs on the Atom whereas the Surface RT runs on ARM.
 

Capt Caveman

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One annoying problem with Windows 8 is that when you are using the software keyboard, it does not pop up when you click a text field. That is supremely annoying as you have to manually toggle the keyboard whenever you want it. It gets pretty annoying because the address bar is always on the top of the screen and the keyboard toggle is on the task bar. Hopefully this gets fixed via software updates.

I wonder if there is a configuration setting for this. I hope so.
 

Dominato3r

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The Lenovo products look good across the board. I'm really interested in the Yoga, I'll go try it out today and may end up getting it. The whole convertible thing makes a lot fo sense on Windows 8 for me.

Is the keyboard issue something in the desktop or MetroUI?
 

finbarqs

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Nexus 7 doesn't do this also. Neither does my new iPad . Must be a tablet thing that they forgot to translate over from the phones
 

bonkers325

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The Lenovo products look good across the board. I'm really interested in the Yoga, I'll go try it out today and may end up getting it. The whole convertible thing makes a lot fo sense on Windows 8 for me.

Is the keyboard issue something in the desktop or MetroUI?

It's not a problem if you have a hardware keyboard, it makes sense when you do have one plugged in. The problem is when you are stuck with the software keyboard, you have to toggle it on to type, then toggle it off to hide it.
 

amdhunter

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ATIV is in stock? I've been scouring every website looking for an Atom based tablet and can't find any.

Does anyone know the SKU? I plan to buy one today if I can find it.
 

amdhunter

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FUDGE! 2 in stock in a store near me and I already took lunch today. Hopefully they'll be there when I get out of work.
 

Ravynmagi

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How does the software that they install on the tablet change the size of the device? :hmm:

x86 processors use more power and produce more heat requiring larger cooling systems and batteries. So are either heavier or sacrificing battery life over ARM tablets. So far most of the x86 tablets I've seen weight over 2 pounds (the W510 seems to be an exception), while most ARM tablets are a little over 1 pound.
 

Skel

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One annoying problem with Windows 8 is that when you are using the software keyboard, it does not pop up when you click a text field. That is supremely annoying as you have to manually toggle the keyboard whenever you want it. It gets pretty annoying because the address bar is always on the top of the screen and the keyboard toggle is on the task bar. Hopefully this gets fixed via software updates.

When I looked at a Surface tablet this morning, the keyboard popped right up when I tapped on a text field. Only when the keyboard was attached did it act like this, which kind of makes sense as I wouldn't want the soft keyboard popping up when I use the attached one.
 

amdhunter

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man...still in stock. I only have 2 hours left at my desk. I really want to get in there to grab an ATIV.
 

finbarqs

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Well it seems that the reaction to these devices are mostly positive. I h e some native Internet explorer apps that absolutely require Internet explorer to run these apps. I the browser full or mobile?
 

BornStar

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When I looked at a Surface tablet this morning, the keyboard popped right up when I tapped on a text field. Only when the keyboard was attached did it act like this, which kind of makes sense as I wouldn't want the soft keyboard popping up when I use the attached one.
This is how my Surface works. If you have the keyboard attached and not flipped back it won't bring up the software keyboard but otherwise if you tap on a field the software keyboard comes right up. The only annoying part about it is the cursor is already in the text box so you feel like you have to do extra work.
 

Topweasel

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That is true. But the ATIV is $600 while the Surface RT is $500. Full fledged Windows 8 can do everything that Windows 8 RT can. For an extra $100, you can get a much better product. The only difference is the ATIV runs on the Atom whereas the Surface RT runs on ARM.

But that assumes that your desires match up with others. For me the ones that interest me are the RT units. I have enough "full experience" machines. For me a Tablet that can replace my N7 for normal media consumption, that can also leverage my Live/Xbox live account, and act as replacement for my Zune HD as a media player (still have to wait till the Lumia 920 based model comes to Verizon to really replace my Zune), while having better battery life and weigh less holds more value for me. The fact that in a pinch it can still be used for some productivity work, something that would cost more with an Windows 8 device (Office) makes an RT device a no brainer. No reason to spend 50-100 more, while spending even more if I want office, to in return have a full fledged computer that runs slower then my 5 year old work Core 2 Duo machine.
 

Topweasel

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Well it seems that the reaction to these devices are mostly positive. I h e some native Internet explorer apps that absolutely require Internet explorer to run these apps. I the browser full or mobile?

The Browser is full. If you really read into it Windows RT is much closer to Windows 8 then I thought to begin with. Now there are two skins to it, one called the desktop mode, that runs like IE 10 on a windows 7 machine and Fancy IE 10 which is skinned for the Modern UI and aimed at general phone and Tablet usage. But its about the interface itself, the contents of a page should be handled exactly the same.
 

Puddle Jumper

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x86 processors use more power and produce more heat requiring larger cooling systems and batteries. So are either heavier or sacrificing battery life over ARM tablets. So far most of the x86 tablets I've seen weight over 2 pounds (the W510 seems to be an exception), while most ARM tablets are a little over 1 pound.

Not anymore. Clover Trail is available in tablets the same size and weight and delivers vastly superior performance at the same time.
 
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