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Kocicak

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UserBenchmark.com apparently removed 64 thread comparison from their CPU benchmark, maximum is now 8. I guess nobody needs more than 4 cores, right???
 
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TheELF

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UserBenchmark.com apparently removed 64 thread comparison from their CPU benchmark, maximum is now 8. I guess nobody needs more than 4 cores, right???
No they didn't,click bait sites interpreted it like that...because of course they would.

What they did was to decrease the importance of 64t FOR THE GAMING SCORE
because they do run a very short 64t compute workload to determine CPU power and no matter how far up their own backside someone is there is no game engine even close to using that many threads and even if there is there still is zero GPU that would show any difference.
The 3600/x gained 14 and 13 ranks respectively because less threads = higher clocks,so much about this being a intel ploy of any kind.
July 2019
We reduced the impact from thread counts higher than eight. The Ryzen 3000 gaming rank changes were net positive: 3900X -2, 3800X +7, 3600X +14, 3600 +13. The 2000 series 32-core Threadripper 2990WX moved from first position to 48th and the 8-core Intel 9900K took the top position in the gaming index up from its previous rank of 7.
They still show you the workstation scores for every CPU and 64t is still the number one criterium and anybody that cares about multi can look at that super easily with minimal scrolling.
 

Kocicak

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Without knowing anything about their scoring system, it is apparent that they moved 64 thread score from "average user bench" down to "nice to haves". Sorry, but I believe that an average user today can find use for more than 4C/8T processor.

AMD will start shipping (if they will be able to make them in any meaningful quantity remains to be seen) 32 thread processors for the mainstream platform soon, and the lack of anything above 8 threads in the benchmark is glaring.
 
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GaiaHunter

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The purpose of having many threads is to run all the crap apps in the background while being able to do intensive tasks.

We live in a world where reviewers turn fan software off because it uses too many resources when benchmarking 16 core processors.

I'm way to old and lazy to go around task manager shutting down processes when I want to play a game.
 
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jpiniero

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Without knowing anything about their scoring system, it is apparent that they moved 64 thread score from "average user bench" down to "nice to haves". Sorry, but I believe that an average user today can find use for more than 4C/8T processor.

AMD will start shipping (if they will be able to make them in any meaningful quantity remains to be seen) 32 thread processors for the mainstream platform soon, and the gap between 8 and 32 threads is glaring.

The average consumer these days is buying a Chromebook with Atom, and not even Goldmont Plus.
 

maddogmcgee

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Normal people have phones for Facebook which means the pc only needs to deal with porn and solitaire. I think they should reduce the benchmarks to a solitaire run (1 thread) for the average user and a 480p porn hub run for the advanced user( normal users don't need 720p). Once they do that people will finally realise that the 10nm CPUs at 35w max are actually a way better buy than the 3950x.
 
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amrnuke

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Normal people have phones for Facebook which means the pc only needs to deal with porn and solitaire. I think they should reduce the benchmarks to a solitaire run (1 thread) for the average user and a 480p porn hub run for the advanced user( normal users don't need 720p). Once they do that people will finally realise that the 10nm CPUs at 35w max are actually a way better buy than the 3950x.
They have 4K HDR porn now. And if you're going to have Youtube running in another tab, solitaire in the background, iTunes transferring pirated music, Norton Antivirus, man, you're gonna need at least, but no more than, 8 threads of CPU processing power.
 

amrnuke

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Without knowing anything about their scoring system, it is apparent that they moved 64 thread score from "average user bench" down to "nice to haves". Sorry, but I believe that an average user today can find use for more than 4C/8T processor.

AMD will start shipping (if they will be able to make them in any meaningful quantity remains to be seen) 32 thread processors for the mainstream platform soon, and the lack of anything above 8 threads in the benchmark is glaring.
I agree that they should have left the 64 thread score in place, even if they removed it from the overall formula.

However, them moving the base-boost clock speeds to the "nice to haves" is also interesting. That would seem to be an intel selling point.

IMO the moves aren't necessarily malicious. As they noted, AMD mainstream processors actually saw an uptick in positioning.

It just looks like they're rearranging the chairs on the deck.

The problem is that as long as these moves get a TON of news and discussion... the rearrangement is not happening on the Titanic. It's happening on a battleship.
 

GaiaHunter

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IMO the moves aren't necessarily malicious. As they noted, AMD mainstream processors actually saw an uptick in positioning.
They changed the multi core weight (by lowering it) when zen1 came out.
They changed it again (by lowering it) when zen2 came out.
Now they do this.
Is it just coincidence?

Maybe but their reasoning for the changes isn't great.

With 6c/12t and even 8c/16t being sub $200 one can only expect software to target higher thread counts and at a higher pace than before in the near future.

Sure some of the AMD CPUs moved up but we all know the significance of halo products and being in the #1 spot.
 

UsandThem

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Anyone who builds their PC around a quad core CPU this close to 2020 (especially if they are gamer), will soon regret their decision. I used their website in the past for quick comparisons, but after they did their last CPU reshuffle several months back, I don't even waste my time going there.

Kind of reminds me of the infamous "640k memory" proclamation.
 
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amrnuke

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They changed the multi core weight (by lowering it) when zen1 came out.
They changed it again (by lowering it) when zen2 came out.
Now they do this.
Is it just coincidence?

Maybe but their reasoning for the changes isn't great.

With 6c/12t and even 8c/16t being sub $200 one can only expect software to target higher thread counts and at a higher pace than before in the near future.

Sure some of the AMD CPUs moved up but we all know the significance of halo products and being in the #1 spot.
We will have to see what UB do when/if Intel ever release a truly new uarch. It could be just that they're re-aligning the metrics for a shifting marketplace upon each release. And perhaps while they initially weighted MC heavily, they downgraded it because it truly WAS weighted too highly for most tasks.

As for the halo effect, when/if AMD release a chip that beats Intel at gaming and basic office/browsing/etc tasks via tech site reviews (eg Anandtech, TPU, TH, HU, GN, Guru3D, TT, etc.) and it fails to hit #1 on UB, then we have an issue. As it stands, as I understand it, UB is a metric for the layperson, not for techies.

I do understand if people want UB to evolve into an unbiased rendering/encrypting/decoding/sci-bench tech website mecca... maybe that's not their goal. Maybe their goal is just to produce the result that will be the best for the average home user.
 

Hans de Vries

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There is definitely no use in having more than 4 cores / 8 threads. We know this is true because Intel have traditionally capped almost all of their mainstream processors at 8 threads.

Even their 4C/8T tests are fake. These tests seem to be really 4C/4T tests while their 8C/16T tests are in fact 8C/8T tests.

Just to further skrew AMD I suppose because AMD has a significantly better SMT efficiency.

Look how the 8C/8T i7-9700K has a beter "8-core" performance as the i9-9900K....

 
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