UT3

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Spike
I personally love the new UT3 just like 2004 before that but I never actually played the original. Sure, it's mainly a graphical update of 2004 but thats great for me because I loved 2004 and this is very similar. I miss the addrenaline but thats because we mainly play the game in LAN's with bots and cloak was the best way to confuse the all-seeing bots.

We have only done a little playing online but even then we did not have an issue finding severs to play on.

UT3 is def not a 2k4 update; there is too much content missing. If they would take the 2k4 maps and port them to UT3, and give us back Assault and Bombing run and whatever other gameplay types they took out (I've got this great new game with awesome graphics and nothing but the same old DM, CTF, and Onslaught to play. Duel and Campaign are a joke) and I'd be happy.

Oh and the server browser is so horrible.

 

[UTFan81]

This game is great and the second patch is coming out soon so it will be ever better. Anyway who thinks this is an upgrade to UT2K4 is smokin it up. I have both installed on my system and there is no comparison. Most of the people complaining at the various sites I frequent seem to be either running it on older hardware OR are fairly new to the UT series and find the majority of players online too skilled to have any fun with. The next patch improves things greatly on the server side of things and solves pretty much anything that was missed in the first patch. Eventually there is going to be a UT 3.5 bonus pack (made up name) that will add a lot of content so I think this game has a great future ahead of it, just a little slow getting going.

 

[novasatori]

man, there were a few posts here that summed up my opinion on ut3

I love the gfx, gameplay, designs (weapon and models) and all the vehicles are awesome, but the damn UI is so bad.

It drives me nuts, and I don't know why.

edit:
Actually I know why, let me try to summarize.

Its because the piece of shit UI reminds me of a port of a console game like Splinter Cell and not a game that got its roots as one of the best PC FPS of all time.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: UTFan81
This game is great and the second patch is coming out soon so it will be ever better. Anyway who thinks this is an upgrade to UT2K4 is smokin it up. I have both installed on my system and there is no comparison. Most of the people complaining at the various sites I frequent seem to be either running it on older hardware OR are fairly new to the UT series and find the majority of players online too skilled to have any fun with. The next patch improves things greatly on the server side of things and solves pretty much anything that was missed in the first patch. Eventually there is going to be a UT 3.5 bonus pack (made up name) that will add a lot of content so I think this game has a great future ahead of it, just a little slow getting going.

LMAO LIES. You want to source any of this BS you've posted? Specifically the new patch? Or that most of the people complaining are running on older hardware or suck at playing? That patch 2 "will add a lot of content" etc? Lol. I usually get 3rd to 1st place when I play; so it's not that "I'm not skilled enough to have fun". I'm sick of the UI, I'm bored with it (basically you get to play CTF, Warfare/Onslaught, and Deathmatch. Duel and "campaign" are a joke and add nothing.) Where are the rest of the game modes? Specifically, they removed Invasion, Mutant, Onslaught, Bombing Run, Last Man Standing, Domination, Double Domination, and Assault; the latter of which was removed during production (?) probably when it went gold. This game sucks and was totally not worth my money; and nor is it worth anyone elses imo, which is probably why there's only 2-3 servers in each gameplay mode with more than 2 players at any given time. They're going to have to release all these other gameplay modes before I recommend this to my friends or ANYONE really. Paid $50 got a $20 game. I should have researched before buying.

edit: I take back some of this stuff; I seem to have found stuff about 3.5 so I'm reading it now. Basically if that adds back in these other gameplay modes they removed then I'll be happy. Otherwise, um, no. Definitely no.
edit2: Patch 2 still doesn't allow you to serverbrowse while connected to a game. So still have to click disconnect, confirm, and then go through the menu to get to the list of servers again. This is one of my biggest beefs: just turn it back into 2k4 menu style and everyone will be happy. No need to fix what isn't broken. And how about some actual content? This game is half a game.

 

[UTFan81]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: UTFan81
This game is great and the second patch is coming out soon so it will be ever better. Anyway who thinks this is an upgrade to UT2K4 is smokin it up. I have both installed on my system and there is no comparison. Most of the people complaining at the various sites I frequent seem to be either running it on older hardware OR are fairly new to the UT series and find the majority of players online too skilled to have any fun with. The next patch improves things greatly on the server side of things and solves pretty much anything that was missed in the first patch. Eventually there is going to be a UT 3.5 bonus pack (made up name) that will add a lot of content so I think this game has a great future ahead of it, just a little slow getting going.

LMAO LIES. You want to source any of this BS you've posted? Specifically the new patch? Or that most of the people complaining are running on older hardware or suck at playing? That patch 2 "will add a lot of content" etc? Lol. I usually get 3rd to 1st place when I play; so it's not that "I'm not skilled enough to have fun". I'm sick of the UI, I'm bored with it (basically you get to play CTF, Warfare/Onslaught, and Deathmatch. Duel and "campaign" are a joke and add nothing.) Where are the rest of the game modes? Specifically, they removed Invasion, Mutant, Onslaught, Bombing Run, Last Man Standing, Domination, Double Domination, and Assault; the latter of which was removed during production (?) probably when it went gold. This game sucks and was totally not worth my money; and nor is it worth anyone elses imo, which is probably why there's only 2-3 servers in each gameplay mode with more than 2 players at any given time. They're going to have to release all these other gameplay modes before I recommend this to my friends or ANYONE really. Paid $50 got a $20 game. I should have researched before buying.

edit: I take back some of this stuff; I seem to have found stuff about 3.5 so I'm reading it now. Basically if that adds back in these other gameplay modes they removed then I'll be happy. Otherwise, um, no. Definitely no.
edit2: Patch 2 still doesn't allow you to serverbrowse while connected to a game. So still have to click disconnect, confirm, and then go through the menu to get to the list of servers again. This is one of my biggest beefs: just turn it back into 2k4 menu style and everyone will be happy. No need to fix what isn't broken. And how about some actual content? This game is half a game.

keep in mind 2k4 had so much content because 2k3 was a complete failure so they used the same engine and probably spent almost all of the time on making actual content rather having to build a complete game from the ground up. I don't get bored at all playing UT3 but I play with a friend most of the time so maybe that's why. There is already an invasion rpg mod out that is pretty fun to play probably more decent mods will be showing up as time goes on. Maybe I shouldn't have said this game is "great" I more so meant it has great potential but I still think it's pretty good for now.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

A DOM mod is in the works and is scheduled for release soon. Here's a YouTube video of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyK1mTcVPF4

 

[3NF]

I really enjoy UT3, but that's just my opinion

Online: ThreeNF

I have server running on the Chicago area, but it doesn't get much action. Are people complaining that there aren't enough servers? Seems that there are too many given the amount of people playing it online appears small.

-== The Elohim ==-
8.9.17.116:7777

 

[EvilComputer92]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: UTFan81
This game is great and the second patch is coming out soon so it will be ever better. Anyway who thinks this is an upgrade to UT2K4 is smokin it up. I have both installed on my system and there is no comparison. Most of the people complaining at the various sites I frequent seem to be either running it on older hardware OR are fairly new to the UT series and find the majority of players online too skilled to have any fun with. The next patch improves things greatly on the server side of things and solves pretty much anything that was missed in the first patch. Eventually there is going to be a UT 3.5 bonus pack (made up name) that will add a lot of content so I think this game has a great future ahead of it, just a little slow getting going.

LMAO LIES. You want to source any of this BS you've posted? Specifically the new patch? Or that most of the people complaining are running on older hardware or suck at playing? That patch 2 "will add a lot of content" etc? Lol. I usually get 3rd to 1st place when I play; so it's not that "I'm not skilled enough to have fun". I'm sick of the UI, I'm bored with it (basically you get to play CTF, Warfare/Onslaught, and Deathmatch. Duel and "campaign" are a joke and add nothing.) Where are the rest of the game modes? Specifically, they removed Invasion, Mutant, Onslaught, Bombing Run, Last Man Standing, Domination, Double Domination, and Assault; the latter of which was removed during production (?) probably when it went gold. This game sucks and was totally not worth my money; and nor is it worth anyone elses imo, which is probably why there's only 2-3 servers in each gameplay mode with more than 2 players at any given time. They're going to have to release all these other gameplay modes before I recommend this to my friends or ANYONE really. Paid $50 got a $20 game. I should have researched before buying.

edit: I take back some of this stuff; I seem to have found stuff about 3.5 so I'm reading it now. Basically if that adds back in these other gameplay modes they removed then I'll be happy. Otherwise, um, no. Definitely no.
edit2: Patch 2 still doesn't allow you to serverbrowse while connected to a game. So still have to click disconnect, confirm, and then go through the menu to get to the list of servers again. This is one of my biggest beefs: just turn it back into 2k4 menu style and everyone will be happy. No need to fix what isn't broken. And how about some actual content? This game is half a game.

You forgot the mention the fact that UT2004 weapons are completely nerfed compared to their UT3 counterparts. Double Domination also sucked compared to the original Domination. In fact, the only thing UT2004 did right going from UT99, was Onslaught. The rest of the game felt like it had been toned down for newbie players. UT3 at least attempts to return to the UT99 style of gameplay. Of course, this is no excuse for it's consolized UI. I actually loved the UT99 GUI the most.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: UTFan81
This game is great and the second patch is coming out soon so it will be ever better. Anyway who thinks this is an upgrade to UT2K4 is smokin it up. I have both installed on my system and there is no comparison. Most of the people complaining at the various sites I frequent seem to be either running it on older hardware OR are fairly new to the UT series and find the majority of players online too skilled to have any fun with. The next patch improves things greatly on the server side of things and solves pretty much anything that was missed in the first patch. Eventually there is going to be a UT 3.5 bonus pack (made up name) that will add a lot of content so I think this game has a great future ahead of it, just a little slow getting going.

LMAO LIES. You want to source any of this BS you've posted? Specifically the new patch? Or that most of the people complaining are running on older hardware or suck at playing? That patch 2 "will add a lot of content" etc? Lol. I usually get 3rd to 1st place when I play; so it's not that "I'm not skilled enough to have fun". I'm sick of the UI, I'm bored with it (basically you get to play CTF, Warfare/Onslaught, and Deathmatch. Duel and "campaign" are a joke and add nothing.) Where are the rest of the game modes? Specifically, they removed Invasion, Mutant, Onslaught, Bombing Run, Last Man Standing, Domination, Double Domination, and Assault; the latter of which was removed during production (?) probably when it went gold. This game sucks and was totally not worth my money; and nor is it worth anyone elses imo, which is probably why there's only 2-3 servers in each gameplay mode with more than 2 players at any given time. They're going to have to release all these other gameplay modes before I recommend this to my friends or ANYONE really. Paid $50 got a $20 game. I should have researched before buying.

edit: I take back some of this stuff; I seem to have found stuff about 3.5 so I'm reading it now. Basically if that adds back in these other gameplay modes they removed then I'll be happy. Otherwise, um, no. Definitely no.
edit2: Patch 2 still doesn't allow you to serverbrowse while connected to a game. So still have to click disconnect, confirm, and then go through the menu to get to the list of servers again. This is one of my biggest beefs: just turn it back into 2k4 menu style and everyone will be happy. No need to fix what isn't broken. And how about some actual content? This game is half a game.

You forgot the mention the fact that UT2004 weapons are completely nerfed compared to their UT3 counterparts. Double Domination also sucked compared to the original Domination. In fact, the only thing UT2004 did right going from UT99, was Onslaught. The rest of the game felt like it had been toned down for newbie players. UT3 at least attempts to return to the UT99 style of gameplay. Of course, this is no excuse for it's consolized UI. I actually loved the UT99 GUI the most.

Ya I didn't mention the weapons increasing in power because I felt that was a non-important gameplay change. I simply am frustrated (that's a weak way of putting it) over the lack of content. I never got around to playing those other game types really in 2k4 all that much because I was still having fun with Instagib CTF; but now I have this beautiful game that plays solid and nothing but CTF, DM, and ONS to play. I open up the gameplay types menu dropdown in UT3 and see a third of the options I have in 2k4. Plus, I already know all the DM and CTF maps like the back of my hand. That's ridiculous. I just want to go play these other types and maps now that I'm finally tired of Instagib CTF .

I know the mod community will take care of the maps, but they're just not the same caliber and don't look like the ones that come with a game.

On top of all that, that ... guy ... whoever he is, top of the chain in UT3 development; said that UT2k4 was the worst mistake they've ever made? That right there just tells you volumes about what they're aiming for: I imagine if they gave us as any more content they'd have trouble selling us another UT game; or that's how I see it at least.

I guess it was only $50; I'm not so ticked about the money; I just want a more full game with more maps to play and more gameplay types so I don't get bored after 2 hours of playing.

 

[EvilComputer92]

I know the mod community will take care of the maps, but they're just not the same caliber and don't look like the ones that come with a game.

Not true at all. Many of the community maps for previous games have far surpassed the quality of retail maps. People are already starting to make excellent UT3 maps. This map is a good example.

On top of all that, that ... guy ... whoever he is, top of the chain in UT3 development; said that UT2k4 was the worst mistake they've ever made? That right there just tells you volumes about what they're aiming for: I imagine if they gave us as any more content they'd have trouble selling us another UT game; or that's how I see it at least.

Is there a link to this? I would find it surprising if he actually said that.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92

I know the mod community will take care of the maps, but they're just not the same caliber and don't look like the ones that come with a game.

Not true at all. Many of the community maps for previous games have far surpassed the quality of retail maps. People are already starting to make excellent UT3 maps. This map is a good example.

On top of all that, that ... guy ... whoever he is, top of the chain in UT3 development; said that UT2k4 was the worst mistake they've ever made? That right there just tells you volumes about what they're aiming for: I imagine if they gave us as any more content they'd have trouble selling us another UT game; or that's how I see it at least.

Is there a link to this? I would find it surprising if he actually said that.

That level is definitely an exception, not the rule. Show me 20 more maps like that and I'll agree :/

As for the link; no I don't have it sorry; it was a video interview IIRC where he said it. He also mentioned "we will never do it again".

That's what got me concerned; because that's exactly what this game needs. Needs it to be free to btw.

 

[Cabages]

I finally got around to downloading the demo. I really like it, ready to buy, but theres just one thing stopping me.

Did anyone experience lag playing online in the demo, then have that lag fixed with the retail version?

No matter what different server (and there not that many to choose from anyway) theres definitely some lag.

 

[UTFan81]

Originally posted by: Cabages
I finally got around to downloading the demo. I really like it, ready to buy, but theres just one thing stopping me.

Did anyone experience lag playing online in the demo, then have that lag fixed with the retail version?

No matter what different server (and there not that many to choose from anyway) theres definitely some lag.

yeah the demo was a lot laggier than the retail version for me. I'm not sure if it was a bug with the demo or just because the servers I played on had a higher ping than the ones I can find in the actual game.

 

[JoshGuru7]

I think UT3 is extremely good and I would rate UT'99 as one of my top 3 favorite games. The poor UI did hurt UT3 sales because it was so amazingly terrible. You couldn't even bookmark favorite servers at launch and I still play with people who can't change their nickname. Everything about the UI screams PS3 console port and that fact alone is nearly unforgiveable considering how much better the interface has been done in previous incarnations of UT.

I agree that UT3 CTF is not nearly as good as UT'99 but I find it to be inferior mainly because the translocator is still stuck between the nerfed UT2kX states and the fluid UT99 state. One of the things that made UT99 CTF so legendary was the translocator and the speed at which the defense could track down a flag carrier. As long as it remains nerfed the offensive focus will remain on quick strikes and clean getaway flag runs and that simply isn't as fun as the drawn out knockdown fight flag runs in UT99 were. The reason to play UT3 is the warfare mode, however, which is very fun and very decently populated. I alternate between three different warfare servers that are usually 24/24 with a good ping from Seattle so I couldn't ask for anything more in terms of server population there.

As a whole, I prefer UT3 to both TF2 and COD4 for the same reasons why I preferred UT99 to TF1 and CS. The UT franchise has two gameplay selling points about it that I value quite a bit and wish more games would imitate - the rock-paper-scissors weapon balance and high player mobility.

You might really only appreciate the weapon balance in the UT series after you've played a lot of the other FPS genre entries. In UT3 picking up a weapon does not leave you with the choice of equipping the weapon that is better but rather constantly reevaluating which weapon is better for the situation. I try to carry at least six weapons with me at all times (shock, plasma, rocket, flak, avril, minigun) and I will switch between them multiple times in the same fight. The difference in effectiveness between people who do this and people who simply try to use a favorite weapon is very large.

Player mobility is the other big selling point. Rather than realistically penalizing your accuracy for movement, UT3 encourages you to move. Camping in a corner is a very good way to end up dead and you're far more likely to succeed with an aggressive highly mobile style of play. That makes for excellent reflex-based and split-second tactical gameplay.

Games like COD have plenty of tactical decisions as well on a slower and larger scale. for instance "should i leave the safety of this doorway and run for that cover over there?" The difference is that because of the high mobility in UT3 and the unrealistic manuevers you can pull off the tactical decisions are compressed into microseconds. You might have an enemy in your face with a rocket launcher and a fast vehicle to your side intent on running you over and no time at all to decide what to do. The moments that make UT3 are when you flip out of the way of both the vehicle and the rocket spread while pulling out your avril and firing a guided missile at the vehicle, then pulling out a suitable weapon for killing a RL wielding enemy such as a minigun and taking them down as you dodge out of range of the rocket launcher. It's extremely unrealistic but it's also very fun and UT3 does this just as well as the original UT did.

 

[evident]

i just found a great place for pickup UT3 tdm games on IRC. gameradius #ut3tdm has a great community with organized pickup games and decent players!!!! check it out and look for me

i also think the friends system is only half working too, lol. the UI is absolutely a POS

 

[CP5670]

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem with UT3 has been the lack of people playing online. The interface was quite lousy in the demo, but I've dealt with much worse than that for good gameplay and would not let that stop me from buying it. But low activity kills a multiplayer game unlike anything else, and six months from now there will be even fewer people playing. The small number of official maps is also an issue, although the mod community should make up for that over time.

The UT franchise has two gameplay selling points about it that I value quite a bit and wish more games would imitate - the rock-paper-scissors weapon balance and high player mobility.

This is exactly what I like about the UT series over the glut of quasi-realistic shooters we have these days. :thumbsup:

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Let me put it this way, CP5670, at certain times of the night, there are more people who are playing UT99 CTF pug matches (say 20 or 30 people at one time, actually playing)--private matches that you need to know about in order to play--than the number of people who play no-vehicles CTF on the UT3 public servers. That's just downright sad!!!!

I like UT3's game play, but Epic really f'd the duck on this one! I suspect that the decision to consolize the game and to put out a horrific user interface and server browser that are far, far below UT99 and UT 2004 standards is what did the game in. At this point there best bet would be to:

1. Produce a fast, smooth user interface superior to the UT99/2004 interface and server browser.
2. Add another two or three game types and more maps.
3. Re-release the game a year from now as "UT4".

Kinda like how they released UT 2004 after UT 2003.

 

[n7]

Yup.

They really need a UT 3.5 or 4, whatever they want to call it.

It's a good game, but very lacking in polish, & i don't think any amoung of patching is going to do that, since now it's far too late really.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Let me put it this way, CP5670, at certain times of the night, there are more people who are playing UT99 CTF pug matches (say 20 or 30 people at one time, actually playing)--private matches that you need to know about in order to play--than the number of people who play no-vehicles CTF on the UT3 public servers. That's just downright sad!!!!

I like UT3's game play, but Epic really f'd the duck on this one! I suspect that the decision to consolize the game and to put out a horrific user interface and server browser that are far, far below UT99 and UT 2004 standards is what did the game in.

I still find it quite puzzling that this alone would account for such low activity. The server interface (in the demo, at least) was mediocre but still usable, and I have seen worse in the past. You would expect this game to sell a fair number of copies from just the UT name alone. The engine is also well optimized and it's not something people would avoid just because they don't have the hardware for it.

I don't buy the "this has all been done before in previous UTs" argument either, as that applies to most multiplayer sequels and it hasn't stopped others from selling well. I suspect that a bigger reason for its failure may be that this sort of gameplay has fallen out of fashion over the years, because it's much less forgiving to noobs and casual players than slow paced games. This is essentially why the 360 degree gameplay of the Descent series died out in the late 90s, and it would be very sad if the same thing has happened here.

 

[Capitalizt]

I'd like to get the game. I wish the developers would recognize that it aint selling and its going to die unless they do a huge publicized price drop. They should drop the game to $20 nationally and it will sell like hotcakes...the community will soar with tons of user created maps, etc. Just do it damn it.

 

[ty1er]

I loved UT2003 & UT2004.

I "like" UT3, but the player control just sux compared to other FPS. It feels as if there is alway mouse acceleration on. Even when you disable it in the ini file. So gay.

Oyea, Onslaught was awsome, why did they remove that game type.

O'well.

 

[cheapherk]

Originally posted by: N2gaming
Greetings Group

Well, I know I'm late with UT# but to make a long story short I bought it last week and am loving it...at least the single player part.

Why is there not any on-line play like before??/ I can't freaking believe it, there is really not much at all going on.

At first I thought it was 'cause of the holidays but now when I check every nite it as slow as molasses and I live in the So. Cal. area where you would expect huge crowds

It really is a great game. My only turn-off is with the asses I've played with- immature; like I'm playing with a bunch of name-calling, whining kids (which very well may be the case).

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: N2gaming
Greetings Group

Well, I know I'm late with UT# but to make a long story short I bought it last week and am loving it...at least the single player part.

Why is there not any on-line play like before??/ I can't freaking believe it, there is really not much at all going on.

At first I thought it was 'cause of the holidays but now when I check every nite it as slow as molasses and I live in the So. Cal. area where you would expect huge crowds

Disclaimer: I love Epic, and I love the Unreal franchise.

That said: I already bought this game back in 2004. They have released it again, what is now the third time, with nothing more than a graphical upgrade. I can see pretty things in screenshots. If you want me to play the game, you have to give me things to do. In 2004, there were new things: Vehicles. Control points. Voice communication. Those were nice.

I've already done the things you do in this game. I have grown tired of them. The majority of the community seems to agree.

Well, I understand why change was minimal gameplay wise. I remember back when Unreal Tournament 2003 was released and I recall Cliffy B. talking about yearly releases of the UT series. New maps, new gameplay modes, but the same UT style and feel. He was right, but EPIC was wrong in the overall picture. People get sick of the same gameplay, especially casual gamers. The competitve gamers are the ones who actually PLAY the new releases if tournaments are supporting the games. If no tournaments support the games, multiplayer becomes non-existant. People like competition pro gamer or not. And yes, the UT style is very boring. Make something new EPIC!

 

[Randum]

I would like it if a gaming IP like unreal would just release driver updates and patches, sure they could charge but a new game install for the same game - i think it killed their user base. Ut2k3 was like the forgotten child when ut2k4 came out. And by the time ut3 came, they changed the naming convention and for whatever reason not enough people are jumping on it. I own it, and def play it but the community is not there like it was for ut2k4... i think the game pacing does the visuals no justice. the game looks good but doesnt need to...because its so fast you dont take the time to notice textures or details etc...

 

[ourfpshero]

now hold on...

Assault was taken out near the end???!!! thats a travesty- assault is my fave in ut99 and 2k4- i was a heavy duty assult clanner and was anxiously awaiting assault ut3. i still bought it and love vctf mode. there are usually several good games going on at most times

p.s. the ui blows- yes there has been worse but it cheapens this game

p.p.s. learning that assault was taken out near the end pisses me off. give us the code and let us finish it!