Utah becomes only state in America to approve death by firing squad

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fskimospy

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Its funny how you consider a innocent person being killed is a risk YOU are willing to take. Not much of a risk for you is it.
Maybe instead of trying to figure out a way to kill people faster we could instead not fill prisons with people for no reason. But the way involves thinking, and thinking is hard.

As posted in the other thread:

 
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Its funny how you consider a innocent person being killed is a risk YOU are willing to take. Not much of a risk for you is it.
Maybe instead of trying to figure out a way to kill people faster we could instead not fill prisons with people for no reason. But the way involves thinking, and thinking is hard.

I know this wasnt direct at me, but why wouldnt it be a risk to him as well? He would be living in the same system and could be one of the innocents executed just as anyone else. He isnt immune to the laws he suggests.
 

fskimospy

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I know this wasnt direct at me, but why wouldnt it be a risk to him as well? He would be living in the same system and could be one of the innocents executed just as anyone else. He isnt immune to the laws he suggests.

He's probably pretty safe. Even when accounting for differential crime rates poor and black people are dramatically more likely to be sentenced to death than a middle class white person, which is what I presume he is.
 

Subyman

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Got any numbers or links for that factoid?

Sure, guess you missed the other discussion on this only a few days ago, but I'll repost it from the other thread:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/det...alty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

We came to the conclusion that there is no need for the death penalty other than for the "satisfaction" of revenge/vengeance. For some people that emotional feeling is worth the financial cost, the potential death of innocent Americans, and the potential use of state-sanctioned murder by corrupt government officials.
 

Mursilis

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Could that be because we don't use it enough? I mean in its current form it's pretty much a joke. Sit in prison with almost a life time of appeals to just drag it out. That isn't deathly scary.

Think about it. Are the people most likely to commit murder the same people most likely to make rational decisions? Humans in general aren't nearly as rational as we like to think we are, and those with criminal tendencies less so.
 
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Think about it. Are the people most likely to commit murder the same people most likely to make rational decisions? Humans in general aren't nearly as rational as we like to think we are, and those with criminal tendencies less so.

Why do i care if it was a rational decision? You still murdered somebody and need to pay the punishment. Maybe we need to weed out these weaklings that cant think before acting from the gene pool
 
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Why do i care if it was a rational decision? You still murdered somebody and need to pay the punishment. Maybe we need to weed out these weaklings that cant think before acting from the gene pool

We are weeding them out of the gene pool... You think people who get life in prison are scoring lots of dates and knocking up a lot of women?
 

Subyman

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soulcougher, you know that is a crazy stretch. You think the financial burden, the risk of killing innocent Americans, and the potential exposure of corruption to state-sanctioned killings of humans is worth it because ~150 people a year won't have kids that they would have had serving a life sentence? The reasons pro-death people come up with to keep the death penalty are amazing sometimes.
 

JD50

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Why do i care if it was a rational decision? You still murdered somebody and need to pay the punishment. Maybe we need to weed out these weaklings that cant think before acting from the gene pool

Because some people are using the "rational decision" angle to say that the death penalty is more of a deterrent than life in prison.
 
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Huh? A person serving life in prison will not be able to procreate.

Do they not get congical visits? If not, that is cruel and inhumane!!

Sorry im not up on all the rules. I just believe in the DP for murders but im willing to make concessions on my arguements when im wrong
 

JD50

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Do they not get congical visits? If not, that is cruel and inhumane!!

Sorry im not up on all the rules. I just believe in the DP for murders but im willing to make concessions on my arguements when im wrong

Yea, I dunno, that's a good question, I would hope not.

I used to be a very strong DP supporter, but now I just don't think it's worth the risk.
 

irishScott

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Really? You think your own history is that dry? Your own culture is that stagnant? I was being sarcastic.

Correlation != causation anyway, so barring you writing a thesis proving that getting rid of the death penalty was even a significant cause for the drop in murder rates, and proving that no other measure had substantial effects, you don't really have a point.
 

glenn1

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Research into an effective and efficient system of killing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation

Sounds like a good tax payer backed pursuit, how to more economically kill citizens.

Yeah, and guess what - we executed the Nazi leadership for that crime among others. If you're going to commit murder and only get life in prison you might as well go big, eh? One person, six million, what's the diff?
 
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You're the one suggesting the death penalty has a deterrence effect. That would imply potential murderers are thinking rationally.

I think it could have one, but not in its current form. But I really don't care if it's rational or irrational thought for why they murdered someone. Still needs punishment.

And for the record I'm talking premeditated type murders. Not things like self defense or crime of passion type killings. People that kill cause they thought it would be fun or other such nonsense need to go.
 

Subyman

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Yeah, and guess what - we executed the Nazi leadership for that crime among others. If you're going to commit murder and only get life in prison you might as well go big, eh? One person, six million, what's the diff?

Yeah, states without the death penalty are having mass murders daily, because murderers throw caution to the wind due to no death penalty. Your arguments are always so terrible
 

pcgeek11

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Roughly, how many potential murderers are perfectly fine with spending the rest of their life in prison, but balk because of the chance that they will be executed??

Good question. I don't know. How many? That is my point above, if it deters or not cannot be quantified and spouted as fact. You could guess or you could feel that ... is true or not.

I feel that some are deterred from murder.
 

pcgeek11

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Sure, guess you missed the other discussion on this only a few days ago, but I'll repost it from the other thread:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/det...alty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

We came to the conclusion that there is no need for the death penalty other than for the "satisfaction" of revenge/vengeance. For some people that emotional feeling is worth the financial cost, the potential death of innocent Americans, and the potential use of state-sanctioned murder by corrupt government officials.

Thanks.
 
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