Really? You think your own history is that dry? Your own culture is that stagnant? I was being sarcastic.
Correlation != causation anyway, so barring you writing a thesis proving that getting rid of the death penalty was even a significant cause for the drop in murder rates, and proving that no other measure had substantial effects, you don't really have a point.
No. Go look yourself. Lazy.
Its hard to be for the death penalty, its easy to say your against it. Until the world is a Utopia were going to have laws and people that commit the crimes are going to be doing those crimes knowing there will be a consequence. Don't blame the non-criminals for the death penalty, blame the person that committed the crime. Ask them the question, Why did you do such a horrible thing and get yourself the death penalty?
It doesn't work like that. You can't wash your hands of it and say it is policy. We as a people collectively create the policies due to our opinions and our vote. You can make anything a policy, but it doesn't make it right.
No argument there but that is why we have checks in balances to ensure that the punishment fits the crime. If you were to get the death penalty for theft or having a different opinion than the president then people should rise to get things changed. Do you think are circumstances where the current death penalty is unjust?
George Ryan (R) Previous Illinois Governor said:"We have now freed more people than we have put to death under our system," he said. "There is a flaw in the system, without question, and it needs to be studied."
Its not that I think another human never deserves death for their actions. It is that our system can't be 100% sure that there isn't an innocent person on death row. Humans are incapable of knowing 100% guilt, 100% of the time. If even one innocent person is killed, that is too much. I'd rather have the murderers rot in prison for life than take that risk.
Just look at IL, 13 people were exonerated on death row in a short amount of time due to mishandling of cases.
Its not that I think another human never deserves death for their actions. It is that our system can't be 100% sure that there isn't an innocent person on death row. Humans are incapable of knowing 100% guilt, 100% of the time. If even one innocent person is killed, that is too much. I'd rather have the murderers rot in prison for life than take that risk.
Just look at IL, 13 people were exonerated on death row in a short amount of time due to mishandling of cases.
That is a good point, I also think along the same lines and that is why being pro-death penalty is the harder choice to make.
That is a good point, I also think along the same lines and that is why being pro-death penalty is the harder choice to make.
http://time.com/3755489/governor-utah-firing-squad/
This whole issue is funny. The pointy-headed, anti-death penalty weenies have successfully outlawed lethal injections by attacking each kind of drug, one after the other, that have been used in executions. There aren't any legal execution drugs left anymore. So now the State has to revert back to firing squads. This is a great example of the saying "Be careful of what you wish for, it may come true."
Being pro-death penalty is the harder choice to make... because you have to accept that the state is going to execute some innocent people? I don't bang the patriotic drum very often, but it's legitimately unAmerican to say "sometimes you have to kill some innocent people to insure the proper level of vengeance is used for bad criminals." No one should ever be accepting of a system that kills innocents, no matter how infrequently. I used to be an ardent supporter of the death penalty, but the more I read about people on death row being exonerated with new evidence makes me question how anyone could knowingly support a system that has literally killed innocent people before and will again?
I agree with your point of view but when your making a decision that impacts life, it is a harder decision to make than just saying, I will save everybody. Its like the disaster movies that have to have a lottery to decide who lives and who dies. You can easily say that, no I will not accept that and everybody lives but that may not be possible.
wtf...just insane.
You know what is insane is that were talking about the death penalty when the real problem is that were putting people in prison for life when they are innocent. Do you think that is humane? That is a death penalty for those people. The death penalty is not the core problem, it is the fact that innocent people regardless of their crime are being put into prison. We need a system that accurately indicts people.
If you start unbundling this problem then your argument will lead to the fact that nobody should ever go to prison because they "could" be innocent.
that's when i started to be anti-dp. during that time it came out a few on Death Row were innocent.
how can we put people to death when we can't be 100% sure.
though as far as ways to die firing squad would be the way to go. fast and painless.
you are either a troll or fucking insane.
Actually on that is he right. I was gong to post something similar. The system is broken that is allowing innocent people to be convicted in the first place. DP is a secondary issue to that.
So maybe we should be talking about our broken/corrupt system and how to fix it vs. talking about the death penalty. I mean isnt it just as bad people wasting away in prision when they are innocent?
Actually on that is he right. I was gong to post something similar. The system is broken that is allowing innocent people to be convicted in the first place. DP is a secondary issue to that.
So maybe we should be talking about our broken/corrupt system and how to fix it vs. talking about the death penalty. I mean isnt it just as bad people wasting away in prision when they are innocent?
see thats the problem. we are saying the system is broken. that leads us to being against the death penalty.
and yes we need to fix the system. until then lets not kill people.
People serving a life sentence can appeal their entire life. If new evidence is introduced then they can be exonerated. That can't happen if they are killed.
People serving a life sentence can appeal their entire life. If new evidence is introduced then they can be exonerated. That can't happen if they are killed.
you are either a troll or fucking insane.