Utah becomes only state in America to approve death by firing squad

[nexus5rocks]

Huh? A person serving life in prison will not be able to procreate.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1828514/pr...rug-operation-while-locked-in-baltimore-jail/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...gnated-inmate-loses-custody-article-1.1505555

 

[pcgeek11]

You are the one proclaiming the death penalty is a deterrent. You even admit one can find statistics to support any opinion. Lets seem some stats to support your point. The burden is on you considering what you are asking. Which is granting the state power to murder.

Let me simplify this for you.

1. What I said is there is NO Proof either way.

2. In My Opinion the DP is a deterrent For Some People.

3. If you look you can find statistics to support any opinion. I didn't say that I searched I don't care. Statistics are mostly BS to support a preconceived idea.

4. I have no burden to produce any proof. It doesn't exist.

5. I haven't asked for any power to be granted. The states have to decide for themselves. Some have it some don't.

I would also like to state that the DP should only be for cases where the "suspect" is proven 100% to be the murderer. Anything less would rule out the DP.

 

[Subyman]

My earlier post stipulated death sentence when there was absolute evidence.

If you're going to say no life sentence, then they should be forced to work. I don't care if that is making license plates or building roads...but make them earn their keep.

They'd need to be successful stock brokers to give back the costs of the trial and prison term

Average trial for murderer is $500,000, not including appeals. Cost to house the average prisoner is $40k per year, but more for a murderer serving life.

On the other hand, using Texas for example, the cost of an execution is $2.3M which is equivalent to a 120 year stay in maximum security. In other states that do not have a conveyer belt of executions such as Washington state, the cost per execution is 10x higher at $24M per execution or 30x more than a 40 year term in maximum security.

California has spent $4B since 1978 on their death penalty programs and continue to spend over $200M a year. They could save $170M per year by commuting all death penalty cases to life.

But you are right. If we kill them it is a total loss, at least we would get something back by working them haha.

 

[Mursilis]

If you're going to say no life sentence, then they should be forced to work. I don't care if that is making license plates or building roads...but make them earn their keep.

That's a tangent, but I have no problem with prisoners being forced to work while incarcerated. I'm a law-abiding citizen (without a trust fund from anyone), so if I want food, shelter, and clothing, I have to work. None of these things are handed to me. It's only fair that convicted criminals have it no different.

 

[trenchfoot]

So with the death by firing squad idea? If it hasn't already been mentioned, how 'bout having the "squad" be comprised of robotically controlled firearm(s) precisely aimed for quick and painless death, instead of having an actual "squad" of humans doing the deed?

Or is that going to take away from the entertainment or preventive value in any way? I mean, back in the day, the more horrific the death, the more "preventive" it was, wasn't it?

 

[JD50]

http://www.inquisitr.com/1828514/pr...rug-operation-while-locked-in-baltimore-jail/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...gnated-inmate-loses-custody-article-1.1505555

I'm pretty sure you understand my point, not sure why you're posting these stories.

Edit - Neither of them were serving life sentences anyways... although the one guy was on death row, lol.

 

[JD50]

Good question. I don't know. How many? That is my point above, if it deters or not cannot be quantified and spouted as fact. You could guess or you could feel that ... is true or not.

I feel that some are deterred from murder.

Well, at least you're honest that your position is not supported by any facts.

Edit - I was asking for your rough guess as to how many people you think have been deterred.

 

[Subyman]

So with the death by firing squad idea? If it hasn't already been mentioned, how 'bout having the "squad" be comprised of robotically controlled firearm(s) precisely aimed for quick and painless death, instead of having an actual "squad" of humans doing the deed?

Or is that going to take away from the entertainment or preventive value in any way? I mean, back in the day, the more horrific the death, the more "preventive" it was, wasn't it?

I'd say there is an argument for responsibility in this case. If humans agree that we can determine that another human can die, then we should also be able to exact that death.

There still needs to be a human involved IMO as to not too far remove a human perspective from the process. If the convict enters a black box and exits in a nicely tucked body bag, then it seems too "sterile" of a process, desensitizing us from the reality of killing. I may not be getting my point across well, it seems hard to put into words.

 

[bshole]

This whole issue is funny. The pointy-headed, anti-death penalty weenies have successfully outlawed lethal injections by attacking each kind of drug, one after the other, that have been used in executions. There aren't any legal execution drugs left anymore. So now the State has to revert back to firing squads. This is a great example of the saying "Be careful of what you wish for, it may come true."

Can we go after gun/ammo manufacturers and pressure them to forbid the government from using their weapons to execute people? Another question is why do all the stone age civilizations in the world have the death penalty while the most advanced ones do not? When are we going to get our head of our ass as a nation and ban this barbarism?

 

[pcgeek11]

Well, at least you're honest that your position is not supported by any facts.

Edit - I was asking for your rough guess as to how many people you think have been deterred.

That would be a foolish statement on my part.