Utah becomes only state in America to approve death by firing squad

[Genx87]

Dont want to be executed? Dont murder people. Pretty simple concept really.

If only it were that simple for the many who are killed by our govt without murdering anybody.

 

[soulcougher73]

Fixed that right up for you.

Thanks for brining race into it. Totally forgot about that. My bad.

 

[soulcougher73]

If only it were that simple for the many who are killed by our govt without murdering anybody.

That is a flaw in the trial system that needs to be fixed. Not a fault in the execution idea itself. I only want actual guilty people executed. You seem fine with them all living regardless.

 

[senseamp]

Pro lifers always looking for new ways to legally shoot someone.

 

[glenn1]

Pro lifers always looking for new ways to legally shoot someone.

Yeah, they should adopt the ways of NYC and LA and just have the police shoot them instead. Much simpler and cheaper then involving prosecutors who just railroad innocents by the pantsload and that messy "trial by jury" business which can't be trusted.

 

[soulcougher73]

Pro lifers always looking for new ways to legally shoot someone.

Im not a pro-lifer, but you do realize they are pro-life for innocent beings and not murders right? your obtuseness has been noted.

 

[senseamp]

Yeah, they should adopt the ways of NYC and LA and just have the police shoot them instead. Much simpler and cheaper then involving prosecutors who just railroad innocents by the pantsload and that messy "trial by jury" business which can't be trusted.

Pro lifers always looking for ways to justify police shootings too.

 

[glenn1]

Pro lifers always looking for ways to justify police shootings too.

Don't forget execution of American citizens by drone strike absent trial. That was another "pro-lifer" innovation.

 

[Ackmed]

Didn't your mother ever tell you, "Two wrongs do not make a right." Just because other people commit barbaric acts towards us doesn't mean we should lower ourselves and commit one back in return. As far as monetary costs, it's cheaper to house someone for the rest of their life in prison than it is to give them the death penalty. And if you're referring to the time it takes from trial to execution as "letting them drag out the process," I'd rather not see the process go faster - that whole due process thing and making sure that someone wasn't railroaded and/or innocent is kind of important.

Please show me stats saying that it is cheaper to house someone for the rest of their life than to give them the death penalty. You kill them, the costs stop. You house them forever, tax payers pay the price forever. Yes I am referring to the time it takes to execute someone. I believe everyone has the right for their court time to prove innocence or not. And then IF an appeal is warranted then they deserve that. I do not want innocent people executed. But silly appeals that take over 20 years? C'mon now, that is just stupid. Once the verdict is in and appeals are used, do it.

Of course it is barbaric to murder or rape a child. Is that questioned? But giving the power of murder to the state is just as barbaric. Or in the case of an innocent person being murdered for a crime they didnt commit worse.

I was responding to someone else about execution being barbaric. They lose the right to live once they commit a crime that is deemed worthy of execution. Giving power to the state to execute someone who raped a child is just in my opinion. They do not deserve to live. And I do not want to pay for them to be alive for the next 40 years.

The ONLY issue I have with the death penalty is someone who is innocent being executed. It is a terrible injustice. That happens far less now days with DNA, etc. Yes it is still very tragic. However when someone admits to it, or there is evidence that cannot be refuted? Fuck them, line them up and get it over with.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's disgusting that the Death Penalty still exists in this age. I don't care what the Criminal has been found guilty of, there is no need for the DP.

I disagree, there are certain crimes that are so heinous that I think the death penalty is appropriate. Of course, you can argue over the "need" -- clearly we can isolate people from society without the death penalty, but I think the death penalty is perfectly appropriate in some cases.

It doesn't deter anything and all too often it merely kills innocent people who were railroaded by the system.

Well, it might not deter much, but we do know it ensures 0% recidivism, and it provides permanent closure for the family of victims and victims. No more having to worry about the criminal getting out at some point, or even escaping. Sure, escape is unlikely, but if you were the victim of a traumatic crime, I could easily see that possibility -- no matter how remote when viewed rationally -- keeping you up at night.

 

[Subyman]

That is a flaw in the trial system that needs to be fixed. Not a fault in the execution idea itself. I only want actual guilty people executed. You seem fine with them all living regardless.

How do we fix that flaw? It is intrinsic to humans, mistakes. I'm fine with a murderer living in a tiny cell for the rest of their life.

 

[CitizenKain]

I do not want innocent people executed.

So not only are you really stupid, but a liar as well. Which is typical for death penalty supporters. Probably something with how they are raised, I guess garbage in, garbage out.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I think it's time we got rid of capital punishment. I won't shed a tear over a murderer being executed, but I'm not sure it is so important that we kill them vs. it being more important that we don't execute an innocent. I guess it's a question of what you value more, making sure murderers die or making sure innocents don't. And the way we use capital punishment it simply isn't a deterrent to crime. But with that said, lethal injection or firing squad, I don't really care. When performed correctly both end the condemned prisoner's life pretty quickly.

 

[Genx87]

That is a flaw in the trial system that needs to be fixed. Not a fault in the execution idea itself. I only want actual guilty people executed. You seem fine with them all living regardless.

That flaw cant be fixed. So yes I am fine with them all living in confinement for the rest of their lives.

 

[CitizenKain]

Dont want to be executed? Dont murder people. Pretty simple concept really.

Or, don't be accused of a crime while in the wrong place and not have the money to afford a decent attorney while an experienced prosecutor railroads the accused to prison to further their political goals.

 

[Jaepheth]

If deterrence is the goal, then executions need to be as public as possible.

I'm ok with the death penalty in principle, but am against it for practical and political reasons:
1. too many wrongful convictions by overzealous and unethical DAs
2. I don't trust the government with the authority to kill its citizens for any reason.
Both of which stem from the fact that in the event of a mistake there's no undoing death.


If you're going to have a death penalty though; you need to do it right: gas chamber filled with inert gas such as helium or nitrogen (e.g not cyanide)

 

[Mursilis]

Pro lifers always looking for ways to justify police shootings too.

Just FYI, I'm a pro-lifer. And also against the death penalty (if that isn't obvious enough already). And I know lots of people just like me. But hey, don't let facts slow down your strawman construction business.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/justice/arizona-debra-milke-death-sentence/index.html

And cases like this is why I can't support the DP.

 

[soulcougher73]

That flaw cant be fixed. So yes I am fine with them all living in confinement for the rest of their lives.

How about we just execute people who are 100% guilty. Meaning DNA, caught on camera doing it, admitting to it, etc? Would you be ok in those circumstances?

 

[alzan]

http://time.com/3755489/governor-utah-firing-squad/

This whole issue is funny. The pointy-headed, anti-death penalty weenies have successfully outlawed lethal injections by attacking each kind of drug, one after the other, that have been used in executions. There aren't any legal execution drugs left anymore. So now the State has to revert back to firing squads. This is a great example of the saying "Be careful of what you wish for, it may come true."

Your first post and you're slinging insults. Why should anyone take you seriously?

The DP is nothing but state-sanctioned murder and I've not seen in my lifetime members of any state wise or smart enough to whom I would trust that determination.

 

[brycejones]

How about we just execute people who are 100% guilty. Meaning DNA, caught on camera doing it, admitting to it, etc? Would you be ok in those circumstances?

DNA is nice but isn't exactly a smoking gun by itself it proves that someone was there or had contact with the victim. Heck, you can't even trust "admitting to it" look at the research into false confessions.

Just lock them up forever.

 

[trenchfoot]

Ahhhhh fuck it. If a firing squad is good to go, then let's blissfully slide down that slippery slope and get really medieval on those evil wicked bastards that have been sentenced to death. And witch hunts....let's start those up again. I mean look how much profit businesses like FOX News could make from airing that kind of entertainment.

I find that quote from "Fury" most apropos, which went something like: "Have you seen it yet? What men can do to each other?"

 

[soulcougher73]

DNA is nice but isn't exactly a smoking gun by itself it proves that someone was there or had contact with the victim. Heck, you can't even trust "admitting to it" look at the research into false confessions.

Just lock them up forever.

What about caught on camera? I'm just trying to find out if there is ever a reason for DP in your eyes.

 

[glenn1]

What about caught on camera? I'm just trying to find out if there is ever a reason for DP in your eyes.

There isn't, we already had a thread on this not long ago.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I oppose the death penalty, but if it must exist I have no problem with firing squads as a permissible means of execution. It at least assures a reasonably quick, painless (though very likely not completely painless) death, something that is not guaranteed with lethal injection.