Utah planning to cut 12th grade altogether to save money

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If liberals hadn't turned schools into institutions of good feelings rather than the institutions of learning they used to be, kids wouldn't need as many years to get the basics down. Our schools graduate people who can't read because of the liberal agenda.
Libtard: Damn stoopid republirats!
Republitard: No, it was you sissy libruls!
Normal human: sigh, not this shit again.
 

senseamp

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I don't see a problem, I mean why do we need Utah to have good education? We have plenty of educated people coming from overseas for the high tech jobs, Utah kids can do menial labor or something.
 

Ruptga

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Sounds fine to me, almost nobody that's not on track for college needs 12th grade anyway.
 

xanis

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I don't see a problem, I mean why do we need Utah to have good education? We have plenty of educated people coming from overseas for the high tech jobs, Utah kids can do menial labor or something.

I was actually thinking that we could build a giant wall around the entire state and turn it into one large prison. We could just airdrop food in every once and a while. It would be just like Mad Max and we could set up some camera and make an awesome TV show about it.
 

Train

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Nitemare

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Most students are academically prepared for college well before they graduate.
I know of people that went to Summer school after their junior year to get the last credit needed to graduate(another year of English). I could have done this as well and had an SAT score that would have gotten me into most colleges, but high school was too fun...

looking back though, college was so much better and I should have went early.

Food for thought, Utah is Mormon Country USA. The Mormon Church is a non taxable entity and a tax shelter...There are lots of affluent people in the church. Granted this will never happen, but it would give the states far more money to waste on pet projects.
 

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Have we finally gotten to the point where we realize that some taxes are essential to society functioning? Nah...
 

xanis

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Most students are academically prepared for college well before they graduate.
I know of people that went to Summer school after their junior year to get the last credit needed to graduate(another year of English). I could have done this as well and had an SAT score that would have gotten me into most colleges, but high school was too fun...

looking back though, college was so much better and I should have went early.

Food for thought, Utah is Mormon Country USA. The Mormon Church is a non taxable entity and a tax shelter...There are lots of affluent people in the church. Granted this will never happen, but it would give the states far more money to waste on pet projects.

Yep, I was ready, both mentally and academically, by the end of my junior year of HS. Senior year was a waste except for a trip to Spain that I got to go on.
 

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If liberals hadn't turned schools into institutions of good feelings rather than the institutions of learning they used to be, kids wouldn't need as many years to get the basics down. Our schools graduate people who can't read because of the liberal agenda.

Is this a joke post?
 

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High school is a joke, the large majority of classes didn't teach anything useful anyways. You could probably cut HS down to two years and not miss out on much.

I could count on one hand the number of HS classes that were beneficial to me in college (mainly math courses).
 

shadow9d9

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High school is a joke, the large majority of classes didn't teach anything useful anyways. You could probably cut HS down to two years and not miss out on much.

I could count on one hand the number of HS classes that were beneficial to me in college (mainly math courses).

History isn't important? Basic understanding of science isn't important? Math isn't important? Extracurricular like band, drama, economics isn't important?

It is frightening how little the average american knows as it is and you want to reduce it further!?

Not our fault you didn't use it.
 

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I myself left school at age 16 and went to polytech to learn to be an auto mechanic. I studied for 2 years, got certified, worked in the field for a couple of years and found it unfulfilling. So I got my high school qualifications through the mail and went to university. But most of the people I worked with at polytech are still in the field and the smarter ones are making decent money. The world needs panelbeaters and welders and fishermen and I think it's sad that many look down on people in the trades.
I went to university right after highschool and got a BA & a BS, and found the career was unfulfilling. 6 years ago I left the IT world to work in plumbing & HVAC that is much more satisfying.

You are right that some people do look down on trades workers, but don't be surprise how many good engineers & mangers respect us trades men as their equal.
 

iGas

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High school is a joke, the large majority of classes didn't teach anything useful anyways. You could probably cut HS down to two years and not miss out on much.

I could count on one hand the number of HS classes that were beneficial to me in college (mainly math courses).
and physics
 
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If liberals hadn't turned schools into institutions of good feelings rather than the institutions of learning they used to be, kids wouldn't need as many years to get the basics down. Our schools graduate people who can't read because of the liberal agenda.

Yes, because No Child Left Behind has proven to be such a great education program. Politics in general has goatscrewed the education system and taken something that had enough issues to begin with and then shit on it 20 times over.
 

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Yes, because No Child Left Behind has proven to be such a great education program. Politics in general has goatscrewed the education system and taken something that had enough issues to begin with and then shit on it 20 times over.

No child left behind has so much harm is insane. I agree in that politics have screwed education. My wife WAS a teacher and quite because of the politics. People would be amazed if they knew how much politics is in the school system.

We know 3 other people that have quite because the system is so fucked up. they HAVE to teach those fucked up test instead of stuff the students really need to learn.

Add in the fact that there are more students that don't give a shit and disrupt the class for students that really want to learn. It takes the teacher 20 minutes to calm the class down and get homework (if any) turned in. Then the fact that class's are now (well around here) 30 minutes it does not leave a lot of time.

the education system is so fucked up and political i really believe its beyond repair
 

child of wonder

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So the state budget has a $700 million windfall and this genius thinks the solution is to cut education?

Awesome.

Let's not identify wasteful or pork spending. Cut education. That's the ticket.
 

frostedflakes

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I think the knee-jerk reaction is to think it's a preposterous idea, and I did when I read the thread title.
But reading the article and thinking about it, it's really not all that bad if it's just offered as an option. How many people did you know that took a year full of blow-off classes as seniors. If they want to, that's all well and good and part of the high school tradition or whatever.

But if a kid has been accepted to the college he wants, and has taken all of his core classes or whatever, wtf's the point of making him stay around and fill his day with cooking classes and study halls? Let him go to college and become a productive member or society a year earlier.

I think people assume that every kid is just going to drop out of school if he's given the opportunity. As dumb as kids can be when they're 17, I think most of would know that's a bad idea. I actually think that making the senior year optional is one of those choices that would simply make things that were going to happen anyway, happen earlier. Either the kid will have worked hard up to that point and take advantage of this, or he'll not go and go to work or whatever and save the state money. The natural progression will be maintained.
Basically my feelings on this. You could graduate a semester early at the high school I went to. This would just be graduating two semesters early. If a student has met all the requirements for graduation laid out by the state, I don't see a problem. Let them graduate and start working full-time and making some money.
 

rockyct

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Except Utah is #2 in graduation rate, (2nd only to Minnesota) http://www.ors2.state.sc.us/abstract/chapter1/staterank6_07.php

Being stupid is not Utah's problem (at least compared to the rest of the USA)

And its not like most states dont already have an early graduation option anyways.

Stop and think before posting knee jerk reactions.
Sounds good to me. They can fall 20 places and still be in the middle of the pack. If their public education is doing too well, cut it back.


 

Jadow

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So instead of senioritis they'd have junioritis. Then they'd try to get rid of that. Slippery slope toward the republican goal of eliminating public education and replacing it with vouchers so all American children can go to parochial schools and learn about Jesus.

For someone who has the extremely tolerant Dr. Who as his Avatar, you just made a very intolerant, inflammatory, and outright deceitful post.

I think you should replace your picture with that of A DALEK!
 

Train

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So the state budget has a $700 million windfall and this genius thinks the solution is to cut education?

Awesome.

Let's not identify wasteful or pork spending. Cut education. That's the ticket.

They aren't CUTTING education, they are giving the OPTION to graduate early for those who have completed the requirements to graduate.
 

Alienwho

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First of all, Chris Buttars is an absolute LUNATIC and accurately represents a small fraction of Utah. How does he get put in office you ask? Well the rest of us must vote him in because watching Buttars is like watching a circus on a train wreck theatrical masterpiece...and you just don't know how its going to end. This guy brings more entertainment to the nightly news than ex-American idol contestant foxy boxing competitions.

This guy is notorious for making homophobic/racial/minority slurs and I am absolutely convinced he is miraculously placed in positions of limited power and authority as a social experiment.

With that being said, I think optional 12th year is a good idea. Kids who want to bail can quickly start life working up the chain at McD's. Overachievers can bail and hop into college sooner. The rest of the "normies" just finish high school like regular.
 
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