Utterly facinating Article about Dubai

[JSFLY]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.

Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.

So if I post any article on the net that says "Ns1 is a fat lesbian overlord" will that mean you are one?

Seriously I feel like you people are so gullible. If I say the moon is on fire you'll look up and check to see if it is on fire.

There's a difference between you (someone with zero credibility) posting an article and an actual journalist (who is actually in Dubai talking to people and doing research) posting an article. The difference here is that your article would be ignored and considered a waste of time, while the journalist's article would be read by people.

He talked to people in Dubai? You know this because he wrote about it?
A journalist? Please anyone can be a journalist. Being a journalist is not hard. Being a respectable journalist is HARD.

A year ago or so, there was a strike in the UAE by about 30,000 workers. They wanted more money. They were not fighting for pay but for MORE pay / There are hundreds of articles regarding this. How do I know? Because I was monitoring the construction of the world's tallest building.

You should try looking at pictures of construction sites. There are no armed police. No guards. No barbed wires. Just men working and they all seem to be working hard. Why the hell would they do that if they got no money?
They get money. It's not enough. They didn't do their research so we call it slavery? It's just like a man living in NYC working at McDonalds. He works hard but at the end of the day he worked all that time just to survive.

Yes being a respected journalist is hard. All the more reason I trust Johann Hari, the man who wrote the OP article, instead of a nutcase like you.

Johann Hari is a columnist for the London Independent. He has reported from Iraq, Israel/Palestine, the Congo, the Central African Republic, Venezuela, Peru and the US, and his journalism has appeared in publications all over the world. In 2007 Amnesty International named him Newspaper Journalist of the Year. In 2008 he became the youngest person ever to win Britain's leading award for political writing, the Orwell Prize. He is a contributing editor of Attitude magazine and published his first book, God Save the Queen?, in 2003.

Reporting from Iraq and Israel/Palestine?
So I should start posting some articles by journalist who go there bashing the Israelis and Iraqis. Being on location doesn't make one a great journalist......

Amnesty International has said some 'harsh' things about the U.S. So if they are praising this journalist and since you had to highlight that part I guess you agree with what they had to say about the U.S.

LOL! Now your dissing Amnesty? This is hilarious. No doubt Amnesty International, A HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION, had some harsh things to say about the US with regards to gitmo and torture. In this respect I completely agree with them.

It's funny. You attack the credibility of the article, claiming indirectly that the author is not a respectable journalist. I provide proof that he is respected, and then you go off on a tangent about being on location and America bashing. Just goes to show how little you have to stand on with respect to defending your views.

I'm done here, this is getting to be too much of a joke.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Aimster
Amnesty International has said some 'harsh' things about the U.S. So if they are praising this journalist and since you had to highlight that part I guess you agree with what they had to say about the U.S.

More bullshit attempting to discredit the article and the journalist without 1 hint of actual evidence to discredit either.

Funny how quick you are to discredit the OP because it's an article, yet you readily use other articles to support your own "arguments"

They were not fighting for pay but for MORE pay / There are hundreds of articles regarding this. How do I know? Because I was monitoring the construction of the world's tallest building.

OH SHIT, you monitoring the construction of the world's tallest building CLEARLY means you a. know more and b. are more credible than the article and journalist in the OP.

If you lose your passport you go get another one and go home.
Does the journalist mention that? NO.

If you are homeless in Dubai what do they do to you? They kick your ass out because you are there illegally.
You go home.

There are ways to go home. Nobody is being forced to work. Show me where workers are being forced to work.

You talk about "reading" articles. Show me where force is used since you are clearlyyy a great reader

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.

Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.

So if I post any article on the net that says "Ns1 is a fat lesbian overlord" will that mean you are one?

Seriously I feel like you people are so gullible. If I say the moon is on fire you'll look up and check to see if it is on fire.

There's a difference between you (someone with zero credibility) posting an article and an actual journalist (who is actually in Dubai talking to people and doing research) posting an article. The difference here is that your article would be ignored and considered a waste of time, while the journalist's article would be read by people.

He talked to people in Dubai? You know this because he wrote about it?
A journalist? Please anyone can be a journalist. Being a journalist is not hard. Being a respectable journalist is HARD.

A year ago or so, there was a strike in the UAE by about 30,000 workers. They wanted more money. They were not fighting for pay but for MORE pay / There are hundreds of articles regarding this. How do I know? Because I was monitoring the construction of the world's tallest building.

You should try looking at pictures of construction sites. There are no armed police. No guards. No barbed wires. Just men working and they all seem to be working hard. Why the hell would they do that if they got no money?
They get money. It's not enough. They didn't do their research so we call it slavery? It's just like a man living in NYC working at McDonalds. He works hard but at the end of the day he worked all that time just to survive.

Yes being a respected journalist is hard. All the more reason I trust Johann Hari, the man who wrote the OP article, instead of a nutcase like you.

Johann Hari is a columnist for the London Independent. He has reported from Iraq, Israel/Palestine, the Congo, the Central African Republic, Venezuela, Peru and the US, and his journalism has appeared in publications all over the world. In 2007 Amnesty International named him Newspaper Journalist of the Year. In 2008 he became the youngest person ever to win Britain's leading award for political writing, the Orwell Prize. He is a contributing editor of Attitude magazine and published his first book, God Save the Queen?, in 2003.

Reporting from Iraq and Israel/Palestine?
So I should start posting some articles by journalist who go there bashing the Israelis and Iraqis. Being on location doesn't make one a great journalist......

Amnesty International has said some 'harsh' things about the U.S. So if they are praising this journalist and since you had to highlight that part I guess you agree with what they had to say about the U.S.

LOL! Now your dissing Amnesty? This is hilarious. No doubt Amnesty International, A HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION, had some harsh things to say about the US with regards to gitmo and torture. In this respect I completely agree with them.

It's funny. You attack the credibility of the article, claiming indirectly that the author is not a respectable journalist. I provide proof that he is respected, and then you go off on a tangent about being on location and America bashing. Just goes to show how little you have to stand on with respect to defending your views.

I'm done here, this is getting to be too much of a joke.

Amnesty International DISSED the U.S on numerous occasions.
This article is about "human rights" and yet the U.S has been "guilty" of human rights violations according to Amnesty International.

That is "LOL"?
Great

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Aimster
You talk about "reading" articles. Show me where force is used since you are clearlyyy a great reader

Is he angry? He is quiet for a long time. "Here, nobody shows your anger. You can't. You get put in jail, then deported." Last year, some workers went on strike after they were not given their wages for four months. The Dubai police surrounded their camps with razor-wire and water-canons and blasted them out and back to work

Aimster: THEY ARE NOT FORCED TO WORK. EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT GIVEN THEIR WAGES, THEY SHOULD BECOME HOMELESS AND GET DEPORTED.

or

Aimster: Yeah whatever, I can't put anything I want in my article and call it fact too

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Aimster
You talk about "reading" articles. Show me where force is used since you are clearlyyy a great reader

Is he angry? He is quiet for a long time. "Here, nobody shows your anger. You can't. You get put in jail, then deported." Last year, some workers went on strike after they were not given their wages for four months. The Dubai police surrounded their camps with razor-wire and water-canons and blasted them out and back to work

Aimster: THEY ARE NOT FORCED TO WORK. EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT GIVEN THEIR WAGES, THEY SHOULD BECOME HOMELESS AND GET DEPORTED.

Who is paying for their shelter, clothes, and food?

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Aimster

He talked to people in Dubai? You know this because he wrote about it?
A journalist? Please anyone can be a journalist. Being a journalist is not hard. Being a respectable journalist is HARD.

A year ago or so, there was a strike in the UAE by about 30,000 workers. They wanted more money. They were not fighting for pay but for MORE pay / There are hundreds of articles regarding this. How do I know? Because I was monitoring the construction of the world's tallest building.

You should try looking at pictures of construction sites. There are no armed police. No guards. No barbed wires. Just men working and they all seem to be working hard. Why the hell would they do that if they got no money?
They get money. It's not enough. They didn't do their research so we call it slavery? It's just like a man living in NYC working at McDonalds. He works hard but at the end of the day he worked all that time just to survive.

You are usually a lot more level headed then this. People are working hard because they need money to pay for housing and food. If they strike the don't get money, which prevents them not starving and having shelter. With me so far?

The kicker is, what they were promised in money is not what they are earning. Pay attention to this bit, if I promise you 200 bucks a month to pour concrete and when you show up I only pay you 50 bucks, you are probably upset. This has nothing to do with the relative cost between Pakistan and Dubai. Next, you have them losing their passport, which prevents them leaving. While you say they can go to the embassy, for one, how are they going to get there, and two, do they know that?

 

[Ns1]

blah blah blah

let me be aimster for a moment here. see my responses in bold

The kicker is, what they were promised in money is not what they are earning. Pay attention to this bit, if I promise you 200 bucks a month to pour concrete and when you show up I only pay you 50 bucks, you are probably upset.
It's still more than they would have made back home. I mean 50 bucks in dubai, what is that, like a million in local currency? and if they can send home money to their relatives, their relatives be BALLIN'. Not to mention free food and free housing! All they have to do is work a mere 14 hours a day. Those pussies. I work 20+ hours on HOLIDAYS. FOR NO HOLIDAY PAY!!!

This has nothing to do with the relative cost between Pakistan and Dubai. Next, you have them losing their passport, which prevents them leaving.
They could always go homeless and be deported.
Ns1 Retort:Let's not forget that they now owe money to loan sharks, which they can't repay, because they weren't given the wages that they were promised
That article is lying. Besides, what of the money they actually made?
Ns1 Retort: Didn't they send it home to help their families, which are now BALLIN OUT OF CONTROL due to their financial contributions?
Their fault for sending money home

While you say they can go to the embassy, for one, how are they going to get there
I used to walk over lava pits, barefoot. Surely they can march the few miles or pay the taxi to get to their local embassy

, and two, do they know that?
They should figure it out

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Ns1
blah blah blah, it's like talking to a conspiracy theorist.

Why are you not answering the question?
Here I will answer it for you.

The company paid for it.
The workers stopped working so they got kicked out of their company house by the police.

Is that not an accurate statement?

 

[Wreckem]

Well Dubai obviously has problems as they are trying to pull out of the $9billion City Center Project in Las Vegas.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Aimster
blah blah blah

All of your points have already been discussed at length in the article.

This is my new standard reply to anything you have to say until you respond with facts, backed by sources. Your asshole does not constitute a valid source.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Aimster
blah blah blah

All of your points have already been discussed at length in the article.

This is my new standard reply to anything you have to say until you respond with facts, backed by sources. Your asshole does not constitute a valid source.

Good glad you agree.
None of the workers are being forced to work.

Being homeless is an option therefore being free from the work.

Excellent. Glad you want to go by the article.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.

Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.

I know. It's rather amazing and painful to read at the same time.

If you lose your passport you go get another one and go home.
Does the journalist mention that? NO.

If you are homeless in Dubai what do they do to you? They kick your ass out because you are there illegally.
You go home.

There are ways to go home. Nobody is being forced to work. Show me where workers are being forced to work.

You talk about "reading" articles. Show me where force is used since you are clearlyyy a great reader

Again, it's in the article, your specific points. Why are you doing this?

You are usually a lot more level headed then this.

Agreed. Go to bed, Aimster. Tomorrow morning maybe you can either skip the thread or actually read the article There's even one part where the cops come with fire hoses to, well, force people to work. But then, you'd have to read the article to know that.

 

[SickBeast]

I stand by my POV that the Qu'ran is a dangerous document. Nations like Dubai illustrate this quite poignantly.

That said, I don't know why you guys are hammering away at the one nation that is a glimmer of hope within the Arab world.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I stand by my POV that the Qu'ran is a dangerous document. Nations like Dubai illustrate this quite poignantly.

That said, I don't know why you guys are hammering away at the one nation that is a glimmer of hope within the Arab world.

Nice to see someone could top Aimster's thick-headedness in this thread. How is the Qu'ran a dangerous document and Dubai is a glimmer of hope at the same time? How is a country that is founded on rampart capitalism and slavery something to use as the beacon of hope?

 

[KMFJD]

wow, just wow

/Aimsters responses continue to get dumber and dumber

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I stand by my POV that the Qu'ran is a dangerous document. Nations like Dubai illustrate this quite poignantly.

That said, I don't know why you guys are hammering away at the one nation that is a glimmer of hope within the Arab world.

Nice to see someone could top Aimster's thick-headedness in this thread. How is the Qu'ran a dangerous document and Dubai is a glimmer of hope at the same time? How is a country that is founded on rampart capitalism and slavery something to use as the beacon of hope?

Because Dubai is one of the only nations in the Arab world where people have a fair bit of freedom, and live in a capitalist society.

 

[StageLeft]

As I said, my brother lived there until recently. I sent him this article and here's what he wrote back with:

well we have left dubai now but according to all my friends that live there the following is true:

1) many people are getting laid off and they are filing over 1500 visa exits per day
2) property prices are dropping by about 40% and in some cases 50 and 60 %
3) rents have halved nearly everywhere
4) this is just the start as a lot of expats are waiting for school to finish and then will be leaving
5) one the largest property developers is in essences bankrupt if not for the fact its owned by the government
6) traffic is much improved (less cars)
7) it is illegal so say anything negative about dubai (in dubai)
8) abhu dhabi gave them some 10 billion AED bail out or maybe its 100 (dont know )
9) real estate agnets who used to have 50 - 100 transactions a month are now doing 1-2 if they are lucky
10) contracts and projects are drying up, there is talk of lay offs everywhere

the main thing is that everyone is saying its just the start, and that the real downturn should be seen in the summer

Doesn't address the poor working conditions, but speaks to the economy. Dubai's official position--which is meaningless, as it's illegal for journalists there to report negative information anyway--is that GDP instead of 11% (?) last year will be half that, or maybe even half again. So, in reality, what do you think the real numbers will be? A country built on credit more than any other in an economy under severe contraction, the recession directly targeting credit, who wants to guess how that will hit Dubai?

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Because Dubai is one of the only nations in the Arab world where people have a fair bit of freedom, and live in a capitalist society.

Since when did Dubai become a nation?