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tomywishbone

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

Does that make you feel tough?


Laughing is an indication of toughness? OK, sounds good to me.

Just because a person act differently from you, it makes it alrite for you to laugh at the person? :disgust:

People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy.

Yes Ghandi, you're right, it's my fault. We should hugg & caress the little mass murderer. Perhaps you can attend his funeral and speak on his behalf. I'm sure he was a kind soul.Oh wait, you won't have time to comfort the killers family, you're too busy working on Skid Row and saving Siberian orphans.

Edit: And the killer wasn't "different", he was a jackass.

"... People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy." copied & bolded for the record.

Maybe you should spend sometime working with people with mental disabilities. There are people born with low IQ, there are people born with deficiencies in social skills. Go meet people with different degrees of autism. and don't get hurt when people like you call them jackass or reject themJust because they are shy and they don't have the same social skills, it doesn't mean that they don't have feeling because they are different. Most of them don't become mass murderers like Cho, but some of them, when people like you reject them enough and call them names enough, do take extreme actions and hurt others and themselves.

Go call people names and make yourself feels oh so superior. I feel sorry for the victims of the shooting as well as Cho as I think he is a victim of society and people like you who don't understand and lack compassion for people who have mental disability and don't act according to the rules of society.

Wow. One at a time:

1- "There are people born with low IQ, there are people born with deficiencies in social skills"

A: Our mass murderer don't qualify.

2- Go meet people with different degrees of autism.

A: Please don't tell me what to do, aka, been there done that... for most of my life. Thanks for the suggestion.

3- "Most of them don't become mass murderers like Cho..."

A: I ain't talkin' about them, I'm talkiin' about the killer.

4- "Go call people names and make yourself feels oh so superior."

A: Nice assumption. I'm superior to nobody.
 

Moonbeam

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We put others down because we hate ourselves. There is only one cure for that. You and only you can change only one thing. You can see that your self hate is a lie, that you hurt others because you were hurt, that you hurt others so they will hurt like you. Only you can work to remember when and how you bought into the lie that you are worthless. Only you can reawaken and remember that you have been through a concentration camp. Only you can grieve for the horror that was done to you and begin to heal. Only he who is whole can love and only love can change the world.
 

Starbuck1975

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Why the hell is anyone even trying to argue this point as if it's the reason for the tragedy? Is your political agenda that damn important?
And what is my political agenda exactly?

"Life isn't fair" excuse are used by those who's blatantly stupid. They refuse to rationalize the deeper problem and resort to simple rhetoric to deal with such complex issue. Not everyone can handle bullying. Even full-grown adult professional have hard time dealing with bullying in workplace. I'm not surprised that these kids/adults are snapping. We can't always help those that are truly disturbed, but we can damn well try to create environment where individual doesn't espouse such twisted view on reality.
I am sorry, but "life isn't fair" is hardly an excuse, nor is it a stupid stance to take on this issue. Who gets to decide the standards by which we determine what constitutes bullying. If you look at the timeline and facts of the case, Cho was already identified as a mentally disturbed individual...yet the system failed to address and treat his paranoia largely because we live in a society that chooses to coddle individuals...where the systems in place fail under the scutinizing weight of political correctness.

Not everyone can handle bullying, but to suggest that it will ever go away is naive and absurd...everyone handles conflict in a different manner, but conflict does and will continue to exist...programs put in place to create nurturing environments have largely failed because you cannot change the nature of the beast.

You can do a helluva better job at it. The school administrators and teachers turn a blind eye to it more often than not.
Often because they have no choice in the matter...schools do not exist to teach children moral behavior...that responsibility falls on parents...and parents have largely taken away the ability of schools to discipline students thanks to our lawsuit happy and "little johnny can do no wrong" society.

 

EXman

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Originally posted by: senseamp
This kid should have had psychiatric therapy long long time ago.

They don't have that kind of therapy anymore. The ACLU and the APA want everyone out in the open mainstreamed. There is no more supervised med compliance. Free to be as crazy as they want to be. This man needed alot of things. 1st of all is a Cuckoo's Nest.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

Does that make you feel tough?


Laughing is an indication of toughness? OK, sounds good to me.

Just because a person act differently from you, it makes it alrite for you to laugh at the person? :disgust:

People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy.

Yes Ghandi, you're right, it's my fault. We should hugg & caress the little mass murderer. Perhaps you can attend his funeral and speak on his behalf. I'm sure he was a kind soul.Oh wait, you won't have time to comfort the killers family, you're too busy working on Skid Row and saving Siberian orphans.

Edit: And the killer wasn't "different", he was a jackass.

"... People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy." copied & bolded for the record.

Maybe you should spend sometime working with people with mental disabilities. There are people born with low IQ, there are people born with deficiencies in social skills. Go meet people with different degrees of autism. and don't get hurt when people like you call them jackass or reject themJust because they are shy and they don't have the same social skills, it doesn't mean that they don't have feeling because they are different. Most of them don't become mass murderers like Cho, but some of them, when people like you reject them enough and call them names enough, do take extreme actions and hurt others and themselves.

Go call people names and make yourself feels oh so superior. I feel sorry for the victims of the shooting as well as Cho as I think he is a victim of society and people like you who don't understand and lack compassion for people who have mental disability and don't act according to the rules of society.

Wow. One at a time:

1- "There are people born with low IQ, there are people born with deficiencies in social skills"

A: Our mass murderer don't qualify.

2- Go meet people with different degrees of autism.

A: Please don't tell me what to do, aka, been there done that... for most of my life. Thanks for the suggestion.

3- "Most of them don't become mass murderers like Cho..."

A: I ain't talkin' about them, I'm talkiin' about the killer.

4- "Go call people names and make yourself feels oh so superior."

A: Nice assumption. I'm superior to nobody.

I'll say.
 

babylon5

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We put others down because we hate ourselves. There is only one cure for that. You and only you can change only one thing. You can see that your self hate is a lie, that you hurt others because you were hurt, that you hurt others so they will hurt like you. Only you can work to remember when and how you bought into the lie that you are worthless. Only you can reawaken and remember that you have been through a concentration camp. Only you can grieve for the horror that was done to you and begin to heal. Only he who is whole can love and only love can change the world.

I got what you're saying. But our society is more interested in getting more physical material goodies than analyzing ourselves.

I don't know how severe the bullying on him was. If people call names and emotional abuse, it might be hard to stop. But if he got physically pushed around, day in and day out, you push a man over the edge sooner or later. If it's wrong to physically hurt someone out on street, it should be the same inside school grounds. Otherwise, these kind of mass killing will repeat again and again.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

Does that make you feel tough?


Laughing is an indication of toughness? OK, sounds good to me.

Just because a person act differently from you, it makes it alrite for you to laugh at the person? :disgust:

People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy.

Yes Ghandi, you're right, it's my fault. We should hugg & caress the little mass murderer. Perhaps you can attend his funeral and speak on his behalf. I'm sure he was a kind soul.Oh wait, you won't have time to comfort the killers family, you're too busy working on Skid Row and saving Siberian orphans.

Edit: And the killer wasn't "different", he was a jackass.

"... People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy." copied & bolded for the record.

if people didn't act like you this wouldn't happen.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: babylon5
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We put others down because we hate ourselves. There is only one cure for that. You and only you can change only one thing. You can see that your self hate is a lie, that you hurt others because you were hurt, that you hurt others so they will hurt like you. Only you can work to remember when and how you bought into the lie that you are worthless. Only you can reawaken and remember that you have been through a concentration camp. Only you can grieve for the horror that was done to you and begin to heal. Only he who is whole can love and only love can change the world.

I got what you're saying. But our society is more interested in getting more physical material goodies than analyzing ourselves.

I don't know how severe the bullying on him was. If people call names and emotional abuse, it might be hard to stop. But if he got physically pushed around, day in and day out, you push a man over the edge sooner or later. If it's wrong to physically hurt someone out on street, it should be the same inside school grounds. Otherwise, these kind of mass killing will repeat again and again.

I know. It is what the ego substitutes for love. You can pretend you are worth something if you have something. But that is only important where there is hidden the feeling that one is worthless. Notice how children can have the greatest of times all created out of nothing. It is a part of what we have lost.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: senseamp
This kid should have had psychiatric therapy long long time ago.

They don't have that kind of therapy anymore. The ACLU and the APA want everyone out in the open mainstreamed. There is no more supervised med compliance. Free to be as crazy as they want to be. This man needed alot of things. 1st of all is a Cuckoo's Nest.

Pft. Who let you out? Typical "culture of blame" statement.
 

Tab

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What? How else am I suppose to feel good about myself if I can't make fun of other people? :|

Curious, are there any good books written about this subject?

Vic, what was the name of the self-help author you've talked about previously?
 

tomywishbone

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

Does that make you feel tough?


Laughing is an indication of toughness? OK, sounds good to me.

Just because a person act differently from you, it makes it alrite for you to laugh at the person? :disgust:

People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy.

Yes Ghandi, you're right, it's my fault. We should hugg & caress the little mass murderer. Perhaps you can attend his funeral and speak on his behalf. I'm sure he was a kind soul.Oh wait, you won't have time to comfort the killers family, you're too busy working on Skid Row and saving Siberian orphans.

Edit: And the killer wasn't "different", he was a jackass.

"... People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy." copied & bolded for the record.

if people didn't act like you this wouldn't happen.

Wow, you've solved the world's problems with your keen insight. I'm sure there's going to be a medal in this for you. Perhaps CNN can interview you, as a way of getting your book tour off to a big start.

I'll be waiting here for the FBI to arrest me, as a co-conspirator in the mass murder.
 

steppinthrax

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I agree with the general theme of the OP but let's not get to far ahead of ourselves. This kid needed better parents, better teachers, etc . . . but you are going a bit far.

1) The cries for better gun control is from the perspective of a state with relatively lax gun laws (or maybe better stated as less stringent).

2) Nobody knew the kid was bullied 24hrs ago. So maybe the left wingnut pundits you've been hearing would have talked more about bullying if they knew it might have played a role in his actions.

3) His actions are no less deplorable just b/c he was teased. In my estimation, dozens upon dozens of people TRIED to talk to this guy over the years. The adults FAILED him but once you become an adult you are responsible for your actions.

#3 is NOT a suggestion that you are making excuses for him or excusing his actions. I certainly agree that we've got a pretty lame superficial society that basically teaches even the youngest child to categorize based on 'us' versus 'them'.

1. Unfortunatley the only way to really take care of guns is to ban them all together. These type of things don't happen in counteries where it is completeley illegall to own or pruchase a gun....

2. It is the job of the administrators in the schools to determine what is going on in their school. The social situation of the students there. The fact that he was bullied is a relive of columbine. Ovbioully this problem was never fixed.
 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I agree with the general theme of the OP but let's not get to far ahead of ourselves. This kid needed better parents, better teachers, etc . . . but you are going a bit far.

1) The cries for better gun control is from the perspective of a state with relatively lax gun laws (or maybe better stated as less stringent).

2) Nobody knew the kid was bullied 24hrs ago. So maybe the left wingnut pundits you've been hearing would have talked more about bullying if they knew it might have played a role in his actions.

3) His actions are no less deplorable just b/c he was teased. In my estimation, dozens upon dozens of people TRIED to talk to this guy over the years. The adults FAILED him but once you become an adult you are responsible for your actions.

#3 is NOT a suggestion that you are making excuses for him or excusing his actions. I certainly agree that we've got a pretty lame superficial society that basically teaches even the youngest child to categorize based on 'us' versus 'them'.

1. Unfortunatley the only way to really take care of guns is to ban them all together. These type of things don't happen in counteries where it is completeley illegall to own or pruchase a gun....

2. It is the job of the administrators in the schools to determine what is going on in their school. The social situation of the students there. The fact that he was bullied is a relive of columbine. Ovbioully this problem was never fixed.

School administrators are afraid to do anything these days with the lawyers hovering around like vultures ready to pounce whenever a tough decision is made.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Tab
What? How else am I suppose to feel good about myself if I can't make fun of other people? :|
Heh, yep. That is the problem Moonie is alluding to.

Curious, are there any good books written about this subject?

Vic, what was the name of the self-help author you've talked about previously?
Peter McWilliams.

Good positive stuff.


Remember, people, if you kick a dog often enough, it will eventually turn on you and bite you. Taking away the dog's teeth doesn't solve the problem, it just allows you to keep kicking the dog with impunity. But the dog will never love you. Is that what we want? A society where we all hate each other but can't do anything about it? That makes no sense. Nor would it work.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: grrl
Originally posted by: Vic
Just like in Paducah, Springfield, and Columbine, we have a situation where a mentally disturbed loner was picked on until he snapped. And yet, amidst all the knee-jerker cries for gun control, no one is arguing for an end to the bullying. WHY?

Are you looking for a "culture of death" in America? Find it here, in the horrible way in which we treat each other. In the way those who can't or won't conform to the group are ostracized and humiliated. How many more need to die before we learn to respect each other, even those who are different from the rest?

You've obviously never lived in South Korea. Stop making stupidly simplistic statements about how "bad" the US is, kids in every culture are nasty, and in a place like South Korea, the pressure for conformity is much stronger. Cho would have been picked on if he grew up here, only guns would have been much, much harder to come by.

I don't think anyone here would agree with you that I am making stupidly simplistic statements. You just missed the point.
It's fine to be persecuted by the pressure of conformity... so long as you can do it with friends who care about you. It's quite another thing to be persecuted and completely alone.
And you last comment is more than a bit ideologically blind. Violence is not uncommon in SK. Wasn't there just some horrible incident within the past few months?
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I agree with the general theme of the OP but let's not get to far ahead of ourselves. This kid needed better parents, better teachers, etc . . . but you are going a bit far.

1) The cries for better gun control is from the perspective of a state with relatively lax gun laws (or maybe better stated as less stringent).

2) Nobody knew the kid was bullied 24hrs ago. So maybe the left wingnut pundits you've been hearing would have talked more about bullying if they knew it might have played a role in his actions.

3) His actions are no less deplorable just b/c he was teased. In my estimation, dozens upon dozens of people TRIED to talk to this guy over the years. The adults FAILED him but once you become an adult you are responsible for your actions.

#3 is NOT a suggestion that you are making excuses for him or excusing his actions. I certainly agree that we've got a pretty lame superficial society that basically teaches even the youngest child to categorize based on 'us' versus 'them'.

1. Unfortunatley the only way to really take care of guns is to ban them all together. These type of things don't happen in counteries where it is completeley illegall to own or pruchase a gun....

Yeah, let's make guns illegal. Just pass a law, that will solve the problem, just like it has for drugs, fraud, theft, etc. Pure genius, why didn't I think of it?

<sarcasm off>



 

Moonbeam

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If you hate yourself and you make a law against hate you criminalize how you feel. This provides the perfect reason to hate yourself. When you hate the criminal within you hate the criminal without and go after him with a vengeance. In this way you train yourself to hate and never be what you are. But of course, you are what you are, you just don't allow yourself to see it. You are passive aggressive. There can be no help for those who hate themselves for how they feel because their problem can't ever be dealt with straight on and honestly. The need to be good in ones own mind to hide how evil one was made to feel, precludes one from seeing ones own symptoms.

The journey of self knowledge is all about opening the self to the possibility that one is not who one thinks, but who one despises by understanding that ones notion of evil are upside down.

You feel worthless and pretend you are good, but you are upside down. You are not worthless and you are not good because that good is sick. The job is to integrate into consciousness the self that one hates by becoming that person. You have to feel the rage within and that will take you to your pain. The pain will take eventually lead to the memory, real events in your past, where you were forced to buy this disease. The pain will lead you to re-experience what happened and that will open grief. When the huge cyst we carry is lanced it begins to be possible to heal. Real compassion can start to happen as you begin to love yourself, hold yourself, care for the child that was ruined by being put down.

Can this be done other ways. I think it probably can, but this is the true nature of the real problem, in my opinion, and the most direct road. But it is not something easily, and certainly not advisedly, done alone. What we need most, in my opinion, is to make it part of our culture to set up institutions of some kind or another where we can go to heal and where others on the same path can help each other.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Obviously the bullying laws weren't strict enough.

I don't think there's a single just law that could have prevented this action. On the otherhand I think there's something else we need to change about ourselves.
 

ayabe

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Bullying definitely appears to be a contributing factor, but bullying alone doesn't explain the rampage there are obviously other things to consider.

In Columbine and this more recent case I think you have to look at a complete rejection of our consumer culture where a persons worth is judged by their material possessions above all else.

I haven't read his manifesto or watched the complete video tapes but it seems from the bits and pieces I have viewed here and there that a lot of his frustration was channeled towards wealthy kids and their attitudes.

From my own personal experience in college there are certainly some individuals that seem to feel superior because their daddy bought them a $35,000 BMW when they were 18 and that that somehow is a reflection of their own accomplishments.

There have always been elitist elements in our society but I think this mindset has increased several fold in the last two decades. I'm not going to place the blame solely on yuppie parents but our kids are growing up more and more privileged and seem to have lost a sense of grounding. Parents find themselves more and more isolated from their kids, because more often than not, even in affluent homes both parents are working. I think some of these parents are substituting material 'gifts' of various kinds to substitute for real interaction with their kids, sort of a way to buy love from their children. As an aside their own status is then raised by proxy.

I see this all the time in restaurants where the kid(s) are given their handheld DVD players or game systems to keep them occupied so the adults don't have to interact with them. The end result in some cases is that you end up with young adults who don't know how to really interact with people or show compassion, love, pity, etc. They have very small exposures to these types of emotions, a kind of drive by interpretation of what it means to be human.

I don't know the student body of Tech, but I'm sure there are a few kids there who would fit the stereotype of those kinds of kids who appear on that Sweet 16 show on MTV, extreme entitlement whiners who will get violent and throw a tantrum if they are forced to ride to their party in a mere Acura. This is an extreme example for sure but it does typify some of the behaviors that this guy was lashing out at.

 

steppinthrax

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I agree with the general theme of the OP but let's not get to far ahead of ourselves. This kid needed better parents, better teachers, etc . . . but you are going a bit far.

1) The cries for better gun control is from the perspective of a state with relatively lax gun laws (or maybe better stated as less stringent).

2) Nobody knew the kid was bullied 24hrs ago. So maybe the left wingnut pundits you've been hearing would have talked more about bullying if they knew it might have played a role in his actions.

3) His actions are no less deplorable just b/c he was teased. In my estimation, dozens upon dozens of people TRIED to talk to this guy over the years. The adults FAILED him but once you become an adult you are responsible for your actions.

#3 is NOT a suggestion that you are making excuses for him or excusing his actions. I certainly agree that we've got a pretty lame superficial society that basically teaches even the youngest child to categorize based on 'us' versus 'them'.

1. Unfortunatley the only way to really take care of guns is to ban them all together. These type of things don't happen in counteries where it is completeley illegall to own or pruchase a gun....

Yeah, let's make guns illegal. Just pass a law, that will solve the problem, just like it has for drugs, fraud, theft, etc. Pure genius, why didn't I think of it?

<sarcasm off>


Well what is your idea to fix the situation????
 

shira

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Cant really legislate anti bullying IMHO. No way to enforce it.
Of course there is.

The main problem is one of definition. In the workplace, there's now a pretty clear concept of what "harrassment" means. In the same vein, I don't think it would be all that difficult to come up with a good definition for what "bullying" means. The central concept would be that if you engage in aggressive behavior toward someone and that person asks you to stop, but you continue the behavior, that's bullying. If reported for bullying, you get a warning. If you continue to bully, you get suspended.

Naturally, there would be a problem with phony reports. But I think school administrators have ways of figuring out what's really going on. And if there were an announced policy that knowingly making a false claim of bullying will result in suspension for an entire semester, I think the problem could be handled.
 

steppinthrax

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Obviously the bullying laws weren't strict enough.

There really isn't any bullying laws. Bullying falls under harassment. The long time perception of bullying is that it's a natural thing and will pass and or the person who is being bullied is weak and needs to toughen up. Your not going to see kids taking other kids to court over bullying. I was bullied all the way though grade and high school. I remember when my mom came into 4th grade and complained to the principle he didn't really have any response nor solution for the problem excpet that I should take karate and have more self control. Almost as if I was the problem. So in my personal point of view I don't place the entire blame on him. Bulling can do high psychological damage most of which is very difficult to correct if not caught early. So in a way the shooting was a manifestation of his treatment in the past comming out.
 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Cant really legislate anti bullying IMHO. No way to enforce it.
Of course there is.

The main problem is one of definition. In the workplace, there's now a pretty clear concept of what "harrassment" means. In the same vein, I don't think it would be all that difficult to come up with a good definition for what "bullying" means. The central concept would be that if you engage in aggressive behavior toward someone and that person asks you to stop, but you continue the behavior, that's bullying. If reported for bullying, you get a warning. If you continue to bully, you get suspended.

Naturally, there would be a problem with phony reports. But I think school administrators have ways of figuring out what's really going on. And if there were an announced policy that knowingly making a false claim of bullying will result in suspension for an entire semester, I think the problem could be handled.


Bullying usually isnt agressive behavior. It's verbal intimidation and putdowns. The more you try to keep kids from being kids, the more you screw them up. Hell, just look at whats happened to kids over the past several decades as we've tried to micromanage their self-esteem, keeping them from ever feeling a sense of failure, shame, etc. They are more screwed up than ever.
 

steppinthrax

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Cant really legislate anti bullying IMHO. No way to enforce it.
Of course there is.

The main problem is one of definition. In the workplace, there's now a pretty clear concept of what "harrassment" means. In the same vein, I don't think it would be all that difficult to come up with a good definition for what "bullying" means. The central concept would be that if you engage in aggressive behavior toward someone and that person asks you to stop, but you continue the behavior, that's bullying. If reported for bullying, you get a warning. If you continue to bully, you get suspended.

Naturally, there would be a problem with phony reports. But I think school administrators have ways of figuring out what's really going on. And if there were an announced policy that knowingly making a false claim of bullying will result in suspension for an entire semester, I think the problem could be handled.


The problem about making kids behave in a school setting is that school administrators mainly the teachers (ones at the front lines) feel it's not really their responsability. They will only deal with it in a very simple sense (dont' do that, time out etc. etc...). But once it gets complicated they leave it alone or (rarely) take it to the next level of the principal or counselor. That person usually does something about it for the first time but what this person dose actually never corrects the problem. Counselors like all mental health pro have their own philosophy for dealing with the situation which really isn't standerdized. The problem is that this kid who is being bullied is bullied all the time because he/she dosen't fit into the social context of the other students. Therefore people bully him all the time. Now for the student to keep going to the counselor and complaing dose notthing. Most teachers and administrators feel the person who is being bullied all the time has the problem not the students. They feel he/she is not tough enough or dosen't have the appropriate knowledge to handel the situation. In actuallity as they are being bullied the situation gets worse and worse till the point of what happend now.
 
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