VA Tech shooter was laughed at

[Ricochet]

What you don't see is anyone stepping up saying he/she is/was a friend of Cho. It is highly likely that he didn't have any. He became so alienated that he felt there was no one to relate to. Psychiatrists, teachers, and parents quite simply cannot fill that void. Of course, because of his "weird" behavior who would want to be his friend? High school remains a battleground for popularity. By association alone can give you a bad rap. So there's the vicious cycle that keeps pushing him further and further into alienation. There's an expression that "misery loves company". I believe that is very true. This Cho kid didn't even have anyone for that. To keep his reality in check and a sympathetic ear to his suffering.

By no ways I'm excusing his behavior, but you have to admit there is a similar pattern for those who all of a sudden snap.

 

[Moonbeam]

The day is coming when a single bright young person, similar to this one, but with access to technologies yet to come, will be able to get really really even, by taking out all life on earth. And right up unto that day the problem will be as seriously addressed as it is here. This is, sadly, not without reasons. The truth is that the solution to this problem requires knowledge nobody, NOBODY, wants to have. In short, to address this problem requires knowledge of the self.

I have told those of you here since I have been, the answer to this problem and none of you believe it. So here it is again:

We were born perfect and were put down, made fun of and humiliated, to the degree that we all maximally hate ourselves. We all feel like the worst person in the world. This is the source of all rage and all passive aggression. We were psychically murdered. We handle that in two ways. The memory is totally repressed and we identify and become the next generation of authoritarian repressors or we rebel and become victim avengers.

None of you have the capacity to know this truth because you stand in terror of the pain that would surface if you were to remember. The work to do this is tremendously difficult and time consuming. You do not know this, you do not know you do not know and you do not want to know you do not want to know.

Humanity will die because we do not want to awaken.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Kids will be kids. You cannot stop bullying. I believe bullying is the primal human social behavior of identifying the weak in the herd, only now the weak can get guns and go on rampages.

Wow, spoken like someone who has ZERO kids and was never bullied. Bravo. WWYBYB again? Not sure the herd needs to bully the weak ones after identifying them, I guess the ones that need to feel better about themselves do though, must be that primal human social behavior you are talking about.

Edit: BTW - I think people who say "Kids will be Kids" should be sterilized. I am happy you have absolved Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris for just being Kids, I haven't.

 

[Moonbeam]

The ego, who we pretend to be, is the face we put on our self hate, the mask we adopt to pretend we are OK:

"Put downs don't bother me. I was picked on but I grew up tough. This guy needs to grow a pair."

"People will always put down other people because I sure as hell need to to make myself feel good."

 

[Infohawk]

Yup, we need to get tough on bullying. It would not be that hard to enforce. Any physical violence should be seriously punished. No "boys will be boys" comments coupled with detention. If you hit someone, it's assault, period. And psychological abuse is bad too. It's harder to categorize and punish consistently, but it's possible. Bullying is essentially insulting someone, usually over and over. Once you're a teen you should be able to refrain from insulting someone. For example, it's one thing to tell a friend, " I would not go out with that girl because she is fat" and another to publicly humiliate her. Teachers should have a lot of discretion in punishing bullying in school. All too often, it seems adults just let children and especially teens off the hook because they assume it's not a big deal.

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

Does that make you feel tough?

Laughing is an indication of toughness? OK, sounds good to me.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

Does that make you feel tough?

Laughing is an indication of toughness? OK, sounds good to me.

Just because a person act differently from you, it makes it alrite for you to laugh at the person? :disgust:

People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy.

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

Does that make you feel tough?

Laughing is an indication of toughness? OK, sounds good to me.

Just because a person act differently from you, it makes it alrite for you to laugh at the person? :disgust:

People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy.

Yes Ghandi, you're right, it's my fault. We should hugg & caress the little mass murderer. Perhaps you can attend his funeral and speak on his behalf. I'm sure he was a kind soul.Oh wait, you won't have time to comfort the killers family, you're too busy working on Skid Row and saving Siberian orphans.

Edit: And the killer wasn't "different", he was a jackass.

"... People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy." copied & bolded for the record.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Unfortunately, I must admit to being a fairly brutal bully to a few kids in particular in junior high school. I will try to qualify my disgusting behavior by pointing out I was being badly abused at home by my father. Not an excuse, but a (quite common) reason.

I'm 32 years old now and still think about those kids occasionally and feel terrible guilt.
I made those kids lives hell. They couldn't even go to school without some asshole (me) verbally, emotionally and physically torturing them on a daily basis. I hope they've gone on to live great lives and weren't damaged forever by my madness.

Looking back, had one of those kids snapped and killed me, I would have deserved it.
Luckily the vast majority of people have no real desire to kill even those who victimize them.

I now treat all people with respect and humility.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Kids will be kids. You cannot stop bullying. I believe bullying is the primal human social behavior of identifying the weak in the herd, only now the weak can get guns and go on rampages.

Wow, spoken like someone who has ZERO kids and was never bullied. Bravo. WWYBYB again? Not sure the herd needs to bully the weak ones after identifying them, I guess the ones that need to feel better about themselves do though, must be that primal human social behavior you are talking about.

Edit: BTW - I think people who say "Kids will be Kids" should be sterilized. I am happy you have absolved Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris for just being Kids, I haven't.

Dude, calm down. Saying kids will be kids doesnt mean that I support or like bullying, rather it's just a fact of growing up. Bullying is a fact of life wherever kids gather, anywhere on the planet, as long as humans have been around. What are you going to do, send any kid to juevenille lockup whenever he makes fun of another kid? Bullying isnt necessarily one overzelous Jock, like Biff on Back to the Future, making everyones life miserable. It's often the cumulative effect of lots of people because you are an easy target. No matter how many silly PC rules we place on our kids, they are going to establish their pecking order, and the weaker kids at the bottom are going to get picked on. Kids not being allowed to fight back these days without serious consequences only makes the problem worse. And FYI, I do have kids...do you?

 

[sisq0kidd]

The solution lies in a change in culture, not a change in law. But, enforcing laws more rigorously can make for a good catalyst for this change in culture.

 

[pacho108]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

so that means you would've laugh a him even before the tragic incident, and laugh at anyone who you feel acts, speaks, and looks like an idiot?

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Kids will be kids. You cannot stop bullying. I believe bullying is the primal human social behavior of identifying the weak in the herd, only now the weak can get guns and go on rampages.

Wow, spoken like someone who has ZERO kids and was never bullied. Bravo. WWYBYB again? Not sure the herd needs to bully the weak ones after identifying them, I guess the ones that need to feel better about themselves do though, must be that primal human social behavior you are talking about.

Edit: BTW - I think people who say "Kids will be Kids" should be sterilized. I am happy you have absolved Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris for just being Kids, I haven't.

Dude, calm down. Saying kids will be kids doesnt mean that I support or like bullying, rather it's just a fact of growing up. Bullying is a fact of life wherever kids gather, anywhere on the planet, as long as humans have been around. What are you going to do, send any kid to juevenille lockup whenever he makes fun of another kid? Bullying isnt necessarily one overzelous Jock, like Biff on Back to the Future, making everyones life miserable. It's often the cumulative effect of lots of people because you are an easy target. No matter how many silly PC rules we place on our kids, they are going to establish their pecking order, and the weaker kids at the bottom are going to get picked on. Kids not being allowed to fight back these days without serious consequences only makes the problem worse. And FYI, I do have kids...do you?

there is a difference between individual bullying and systematic bullying..

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: pacho108

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

so that means you would've laugh a him even before the tragic incident, and laugh at anyone who you feel acts, speaks, and looks like an idiot?

Hi Captain Compassion! Did you take time off visiting hospitals & driving senior citizens to the market? Nice of you to stop in.

Dig this Mother Theresa; the dude wasn't different and the dude wasn't odd, the dude was a jackass. Dude took pictures of girls w/his cell phone under the desk. Dude would not speak or even acknowledge people who were courteous and spoke to him first. Dude was argumentative with teachers and other students. The dude was an asshole.

I'll call a spade a spade. Does that bother you?

Edit: My spelling is por.

 

[nullzero]

Its really sad situation, I hope this is a lesson to students and kids to try to open up and be nicer to classmates that are different from you. If kids werent so damn mean to some of their classmates we would prevent so many tragic events like this one.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Kids will be kids. You cannot stop bullying. I believe bullying is the primal human social behavior of identifying the weak in the herd, only now the weak can get guns and go on rampages.

Wow, spoken like someone who has ZERO kids and was never bullied. Bravo. WWYBYB again? Not sure the herd needs to bully the weak ones after identifying them, I guess the ones that need to feel better about themselves do though, must be that primal human social behavior you are talking about.

Edit: BTW - I think people who say "Kids will be Kids" should be sterilized. I am happy you have absolved Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris for just being Kids, I haven't.

Dude, calm down. Saying kids will be kids doesnt mean that I support or like bullying, rather it's just a fact of growing up. Bullying is a fact of life wherever kids gather, anywhere on the planet, as long as humans have been around. What are you going to do, send any kid to juevenille lockup whenever he makes fun of another kid? Bullying isnt necessarily one overzelous Jock, like Biff on Back to the Future, making everyones life miserable. It's often the cumulative effect of lots of people because you are an easy target. No matter how many silly PC rules we place on our kids, they are going to establish their pecking order, and the weaker kids at the bottom are going to get picked on. Kids not being allowed to fight back these days without serious consequences only makes the problem worse. And FYI, I do have kids...do you?

there is a difference between individual bullying and systematic bullying..

I was referring more to that myself, the group name calling and harassing etc., not the random bully that is bigger than everyone else and picks on many. It's the 10 mean girls that gang up on the fat/ugly girl and make her feel like a worthless pos. It's the couple of guys that tease and physically intimidate the weak kid with glasses. No child should have to endure this when having to be somewhere they probably don't want to be in the first place. When people pawn it off as kids being kids it tells me they think it is acceptable. If they can't stop picking on the weaklings, give them a suspension. Make thier folks have to stay home with them those days, miss work, and deal with the little bratty kids they have produced.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm not interested in partisanship or partisan remarks. Read my post and then look at yourselves. Your gangs of thugs are the problem. God forbid anyone decide not to join one of your little cliques. How could any individual be so "selfish" as to deny your little collective, right?

You can ask people to look at themselves all day. I have told them who they are. It makes no difference at all. They cannot look because they hate what they will see. You can't look at yourself if the truth you hiding is self hate. People believe in one thing above all else and it is that they are worthless. To see themselves, how they really feel, is worse than death, it is our greatest fear. All we ever wanted was love and we were told we don't deserve it. Nobody wants to know they really believe that. They have nothing and along we come promising them less. Hehe, it is so so so so sad.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm not interested in partisanship or partisan remarks. Read my post and then look at yourselves. Your gangs of thugs are the problem. God forbid anyone decide not to join one of your little cliques. How could any individual be so "selfish" as to deny your little collective, right?

c'mon, plenty of people are bullied and do not slaughter 32 people in response. That's not the problem.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm not interested in partisanship or partisan remarks. Read my post and then look at yourselves. Your gangs of thugs are the problem. God forbid anyone decide not to join one of your little cliques. How could any individual be so "selfish" as to deny your little collective, right?

c'mon, plenty of people are bullied and do not slaughter 32 people in response. That's not the problem.

Of course it's the problem (well part of the equation). Throw in a victim who is mentally ill and you've got one mess of a problem.

We just don't see that it's a problem because we as a society have come to terms with bullying and accepted it as a form of hazing for American youth.

It doesn't justify a massacre, but we shouldn't disregard it as a cause for Cho's rampage just because everyone else goes through it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm not interested in partisanship or partisan remarks. Read my post and then look at yourselves. Your gangs of thugs are the problem. God forbid anyone decide not to join one of your little cliques. How could any individual be so "selfish" as to deny your little collective, right?

c'mon, plenty of people are bullied and do not slaughter 32 people in response. That's not the problem.

So true. With some people it just makes them so stupid they can't understand concepts like a continuum.

 

[pacho108]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: pacho108

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

so that means you would've laugh a him even before the tragic incident, and laugh at anyone who you feel acts, speaks, and looks like an idiot?

Hi Captain Compassion! Did you take time off visiting hospitals & driving senior citizens to the market? Nice of you to stop in.

Dig this Mother Theresa; the dude wasn't different and the dude wasn't odd, the dude was a jackass. Dude took pictures of girls w/his cell phone under the desk. Dude would not speak or even acknowledge people who were curtious and spoke to him first. Dude was argumentative with teachers and other students. The dude was an asshole.

wow relax man, did i hit something with my question? lol
i agree with you that the guy was crazy, more of a psycho than a jackass after the terrible incident on monday, it's just that you sounded like someone who thinks it's alright to mock people for dumb reasons like you said, the way they act, speak and look

 

[tomywishbone]

Cool P108 cool.

Man, I never pick on little runts or nerds. Hell, I was the coverboy for "Runt Monthly" for years. But now, if some cat needs a beat-down... I'll be first in line (I'll probably get beat-up myself, but don't tell nobody).

"...like you said, the way they act, speak and look." That is of course, what we are.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: Vic

Just like in Paducah, Springfield, and Columbine, we have a situation where a mentally disturbed loner was picked on until he snapped. And yet, amidst all the knee-jerker cries for gun control, no one is arguing for an end to the bullying. WHY?

Are you looking for a "culture of death" in America? Find it here, in the horrible way in which we treat each other. In the way those who can't or won't conform to the group are ostracized and humiliated. How many more need to die before we learn to respect each other, even those who are different from the rest?

You've obviously never lived in South Korea. Stop making stupidly simplistic statements about how "bad" the US is, kids in every culture are nasty, and in a place like South Korea, the pressure for conformity is much stronger. Cho would have been picked on if he grew up here, only guns would have been much, much harder to come by.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
I would have laughed at him as well. Dude acted, spoke, and looked like an idiot.

Does that make you feel tough?

Laughing is an indication of toughness? OK, sounds good to me.

Just because a person act differently from you, it makes it alrite for you to laugh at the person? :disgust:

People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy.

Yes Ghandi, you're right, it's my fault. We should hugg & caress the little mass murderer. Perhaps you can attend his funeral and speak on his behalf. I'm sure he was a kind soul.Oh wait, you won't have time to comfort the killers family, you're too busy working on Skid Row and saving Siberian orphans.

Edit: And the killer wasn't "different", he was a jackass.

"... People like you are big part of the problem in this whole tragedy." copied & bolded for the record.

Maybe you should spend sometime working with people with mental disabilities. There are people born with low IQ, there are people born with deficiencies in social skills. Go meet people with different degrees of autism. Just because they are shy and they don't have the same social skills, it doesn't mean that they don't have feeling and don't get hurt when people like you call them jackass or reject them because they are different. Most of them don't become mass murderers like Cho, but some of them, when people like you reject them enough and call them names enough, do take extreme actions and hurt others and themselves.

Go call people names and make yourself feels oh so superior. I feel sorry for the victims of the shooting as well as Cho as I think he is a victim of society and people like you who don't understand and lack compassion for people who have mental disability and don't act according to the rules of society.

 

[Cruise51]

Originally posted by: Vic

She got blasted IMO because even that is just a cover for the truth (which for some reason we dare not speak). It doesn't take a village, it takes love. Something which is decidedly lacking our society. Decidedly. Our culture has become more indifferent, more impersonal, to each other than a herd of cattle. We are labels, groups, and categories to each other, but never real human beings. Even our charity and good deeds have become institutionalized and impersonalized, and our punishment for those who deviate from what society accepts as proper is cruel, brutal, remorseless, and driven by mindless fear. It is really any wonder then that the more mentally unstable among us tend to snap?

That imo is the deepest post I've ever seen on these forums. In a good way. :thumbsup: