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buckshot24

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This is the typical MO of the buttsore racists that post here... Calling out my racism/bigotry makes you one yourself!!! It's on the scribbled in crayon front cover of the Stormtroopers guide to Internet rebuttal...
Leave aside the people being called racist for a moment. What do you think calling a person who isn't racist a racist is? Don't you think there should be great care to not slander somebody who may not be racist?
 

ivwshane

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Leave aside the people being called racist for a moment. What do you think calling a person who isn't racist a racist is? Don't you think there should be great care to not slander somebody who may not be racist?

I would think a non racist person would take great care not to say something racist. I guess that's the difference between you and everyone else, you think people shouldn't be judged by their actions.
 

MongGrel

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People are normally always judged by their actions, not by what comes spewing out of their mouth.

I'm personally amazed Trump has gotten this far based on the pure vitriol coming out of his mouth, and pretty disappointed people are rallying behind it, considering his past and obvious ignorance on many things.
 

buckshot24

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I would think a non racist person would take great care not to say something racist. I guess that's the difference between you and everyone else, you think people shouldn't be judged by their actions.
I don't care what you think.
 

alien42

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We don't think illegal aliens or undocumented immigrants are rapists and drug dealers.

Can we have a border that we enforce or not? Should we just let everybody in?

your "we" must not include Trump.

we have a border and the last thing we need is a wall, have you not learned from history?

we need to have an immigration system that works. unfortunately, the worst Congress in the history of this country has stopped all efforts to correct the current problems. the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not criminals, do not take money from the system and are an overall positive to our nation. we can't just ship them all off and screw up their lives and negatively affect our own at the same time. we need to have effective work visa programs that work and benefit everyone involved, American companies and first generation Americans. we need to end the war on drugs and focus on cutting off the foreign suppliers. there is no perfect solution and i don't profess to have them all, but calling the vast majority of illegal immigrants criminals, rapists and leeches and wanting to deport them all is wrong on all levels and un-American.
 
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Vic

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are you really arguing that what you said is not racist?



If that's not racist and bigoted, then what trump said isn't racist and bigoted either
I'm white too. So while I might be a "race traitor" or a "cuck," I am not a racist.
 

MongGrel

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I still do not get the "we" thing myself.

I have always hated that, do you have a mouse in your pocket ?

You are not a "we" when stating a personal opinion.

Do you think you are the Queen of England ?
 
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ivwshane

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I don't care what you think.

Yeah that's probably true, I think you just like seeing your thoughts on the screen and you couldn't care less what anyone says, especially anyone that disagrees with you. I'm guessing that's why you have a list, it's for those times when the truth is so great that you aren't able to overcome it so you put people on ignore.

Then again, being someone who has been on your list, you certainly seem to reply to my posts an awful lot and knowing just how dishonest you are, this is probably just another one of your lies and maybe, just maybe, you do care.
 

agent00f

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Leave aside the people being called racist for a moment. What do you think calling a person who isn't racist a racist is? Don't you think there should be great care to not slander somebody who may not be racist?


You have a point in that it's not helpful to label everyone guilty of any sort of racial animosity a racist, any more than it is to label everyone who's ever violated criminal law a criminal. Both are matters of degree.

However, it's not in dispute that there is significant racial resentment in this country given for example the civil rights dispute only a ~generation ago was resolved via government fiat when it clearly would've failed at the ballot.

People are quick to deny it exists, at least in themselves. But consider that a plurality of americans have no reservations voting for a party which still panders to those sentiments, to grasp how much it's still *tolerated*.
 

buckshot24

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we have a border and the last thing we need is a wall, have you not learned from history?
We're not trying to keep people IN.
we need to have an immigration system that works. unfortunately, the worst Congress in the history of this country has stopped all efforts to correct the current problems. the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not criminals, do not take money from the system and are an overall positive to our nation. we can't just ship them all off and screw up their lives and negatively affect our own at the same time. we need to have effective work visa programs that work and benefit everyone involved, American companies and first generation Americans. we need to end the war on drugs and focus on cutting off the foreign suppliers. there is no perfect solution and i don't profess to have them all, but calling the vast majority of illegal immigrants criminals, rapists and leeches and wanting to deport them all is wrong on all levels and un-American.
Can we enforce our border or not? There are a lot of words there but no answer.

People who violate the law are criminals, what else should we call them?
 

agent00f

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We're not trying to keep people IN.
Can we enforce our border or not? There are a lot of words there but no answer.

As explained to you above, people are coming in because paid work exists for here them. It exists for them because there's a dollar to be made in it by capitalists like Trump.

A rational/smart problem-solver would look at this and figure out solutions which resolve economic demand. A political opportunist would look at it, look at the level of white racial resentment, and blame the mexicans.
 

buckshot24

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As explained to you above, people are coming in because paid work exists for here them. It exists for them because there's a dollar to be made in it by capitalists like Trump.

A rational/smart problem-solver would look at this and figure out solutions which resolve economic demand. A political opportunist would look at it, look at the level of white racial resentment, and blame the mexicans.
Are you going to answer the question or not? You quoted my question and failed to answer.
 

agent00f

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Are you going to answer the question or not? You quoted my question and failed to answer.

I've answered your question multiple times. They're criminals in the same way that you're a criminal, by your own definition. I would encourage you to read those posts again since grasping the basic legal terms is necessary to understanding the answer.
 

MongGrel

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I've answered your question multiple times. They're criminals in the same way that you're a criminal, by your own definition. I would encourage you to read those posts again since grasping the basic legal terms is necessary to understanding the answer.

You could smack Bucky in the head with a 2X4 the next five years just to try to get his attention, and you still won't get a different response.

He doesn't want an intelligent discussion, he just likes to spam the same BS over and over.

If he is not a bot, I'm sure there are some out there that have a much higher level of responses.
 
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buckshot24

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I've answered your question multiple times. They're criminals in the same way that you're a criminal, by your own definition. I would encourage you to read those posts again since grasping the basic legal terms is necessary to understanding the answer.
Can we secure our border, yes or no? I'm not asking you about criminals.
 
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The United States has 7,458 miles of land border and (excluding Hawaii) 11,729 miles of ocean coastline.

Your job? 'Secure' that 19,187 miles of border and coastline.

Good luck on building that 'Damn Big Dome'.

The best that any country can do today is try and manage/control the flow of people. There is no frickin' way you're going to stop that movement.
 

michal1980

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calling a racist a racist or a bigot a bigot is neither racist nor bigoted.

that BS you're spewing is right out of the racist handbook. why deny it at this point, trump says what you want to say, so why not just say it? stand up for what you believe in.

but that's not what vic was saying. He wasn't calling a racist a racist.
 

LegendKiller

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The United States has 7,458 miles of land border and (excluding Hawaii) 11,729 miles of ocean coastline.

Your job? 'Secure' that 19,187 miles of border and coastline.

Good luck on building that 'Damn Big Dome'.

The best that any country can do today is try and manage/control the flow of people. There is no frickin' way you're going to stop that movement.
Everything is about low hanging fruit. The number one way to get it to stop is to end all benefits to them. No welfare, no schooling, end birthright, no drivers license, no jobs, no insurance...etc.
 

Genx87

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Didnt read this thread. Havent read much of the backstory on this. But from what the OP describes. I think she is pointing out out to the xenophobes that somebody who is undocumented can attain a high standing in life. They arent all drug dealers and rapists as Drumpf would have us believe.
 

LegendKiller

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Didnt read this thread. Havent read much of the backstory on this. But from what the OP describes. I think she is pointing out out to the xenophobes that somebody who is undocumented can attain a high standing in life. They arent all drug dealers and rapists as Drumpf would have us believe.
So kate steinle's murderer got through 5 times. How many ms13, or other gang members are there?
 

feralkid

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Everything is about low hanging fruit. The number one way to get it to stop is to end all benefits to them. No welfare, no schooling, end birthright, no drivers license, no jobs, no insurance...etc.

It has never worked in the past, so why do you think it would now?

If you give people work, they will continue to come here.
 
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