The questions is when? The trend in the past has been for Nvidia to release a cheaper card very close in performance to the Titan (780 and 980Ti) within a few months of the Titan. But they had some good competition from AMD at the time as well. I'm crossing my fingers that AMD will knock one out of the park with Vega, but if that doesn't happen, we could be waiting until 2018 for a card substantially faster than the 1080 for less than $1000.
Rumours are there will be 2 Titans, one now based on GP102 & a refresh with GP100, and the latter supposedly may come with HBM2. So yeah, if you buy one now and have another launch in that time-frame you own it, the resale just wouldn't be there. Not just that, the pascal refresh, will probably bring GDDR5x throughout the range, or so the rumour bit at wccftech said in the article about Titan.I agree, from an enthusiast perspective I don't know why anyone would pay 75-85% of the Titan X value when there are faster AIB 980Tis and now the 1070/1080 cards. If you check the completed ads on Ebay, there were quite a few that sold for $750-900 in the last few weeks.
If the resale value of the Titan line isn't as strong as I've been thinking, I don't want to risk losing $500-600 in 1.5yrs. I can afford it but my inner Scrooge won't let me do it.
So basically we have to hope for a miracle with Vega in the next 6-8 months or that Nvidia will still release the 1080Ti even if AMD doesn't bring a worthy competitor to the table. Sounds like I may have this 980Ti for awhile. (#firstworldproblems).
How dare the peasants enter a discussion about Nvidia & value. lolIf you want a "value" card from NVIDIA buy a GTX 1060/1070. If you want speed and don't care so much about price, get a GTX 1080 or, better yet, a Titan X.
T'was but in AMD handled poorly.
And they seem in no rush to gain any. Which boggles my mind.
Some of it? They axed ATI because "AMD is a stronger brand name" eyah sure. My loyalty basically ended there.
AMD was racing to the bottom even before Bulldozer. Not sure if you were around during that forum invasion marketing tactic of "buy a dual core, unlock third even fourth core!" It was almost on every tech forum I visited. That is not how you build perception/brand.
Thus this product is not for you.
I blame AMD partially for this mess. Serioiusly. I mean it. This is a perfect example when having no competition ends up hurting the consumers. Nobody is there to keep them in check. AMD literally have no answer to the Titan XP until next year. I don't know how they're going to catch up. AMD better hope DX12/Vulkan becomes widely adopted soon.
The crazy thing is this. Not too longer ago, (before Kepler), the FLAGSHIP GPU was within reach. I was the targeted market. That $500-600 price range was doable. Now, we get this? $1200 for a CUT-DOWN chip? Now, we have to settle with for a x60 product for $600? This is not a good direction for us consumers.
From a business perspective, kudos to Nvidia for being able to pull this off. Shame on AMD for a poorly run business. What a vicious cycle AMD is stuck in. They can't compete because they have no money. They have no money because they can't compete. Sucks for us all.
Its AMD's fault because people blindly pay whatever NVidia charges?
Stop buying the product. Its not mandatory or in any way "needed". It is purely a nice to have item. Have some self control and don't pay outrageous prices for technology and they'll stop selling it at those prices.
AMD cards have great compute, but those opportunities are far and few in between.. also CUDA being a proprietary vendor lockin kind of prevent AMD from entering that space in a lot of ways.He said "partially" -- and he's right.
Your protests are petty -- the great majority of PC gamers don't visit these forums or read every page of an anandtech review article. They just go ahead and buy the best.
Nvidia of course gets the majority of the blame for jacking up prices. But why does AMD have no answer to GP100 and GP102. There's simply no excuse to not foreseeing the importance of GPUs in the HPC space. Nvidia are laughing all the way to the bank.
I blame AMD partially for this mess. Serioiusly. I mean it. This is a perfect example when having no competition ends up hurting the consumers. Nobody is there to keep them in check. AMD literally have no answer to the Titan XP until next year. I don't know how they're going to catch up. AMD better hope DX12/Vulkan becomes widely adopted soon.
The crazy thing is this. Not too longer ago, (before Kepler), the FLAGSHIP GPU was within reach. I was the targeted market. That $500-600 price range was doable. Now, we get this? $1200 for a CUT-DOWN chip? Now, we have to settle with for a x60 product for $600? This is not a good direction for us consumers.
From a business perspective, kudos to Nvidia for being able to pull this off. Shame on AMD for a poorly run business. What a vicious cycle AMD is stuck in. They can't compete because they have no money. They have no money because they can't compete. Sucks for us all.
AMD doesn't make anyone buy it. Don't buy it and they'll stop doing it. It's not like all of a sudden other cards get slower.
you peasants should be paying 100$ just for the look of the shroud! you should be thankful it isn't 200$!!! :twisted:How dare the peasants enter a discussion about Nvidia & value. lol
Let me get out of the way sire.
If you want a "value" card from NVIDIA buy a GTX 1060/1070. If you want speed and don't care so much about price, get a GTX 1080 or, better yet, a Titan X.
I find it tempting to buy 1 or 2 Pascal Titan X's and immediately flip them on Ebay for a profit. Spending $1200 for my entertainment would make me feel cheated. The $999 OG Titan left the same bad taste in my mouth.
Coincidentally, a buddy of mine is still using his OG Titan that he bought around the GTX 780 release. He even plays the latest games. Although he is at 1080p, I find it interesting to hold onto that Titan for so many years. Do you think he got his money's worth? I don't. Having owned the R9 290, I consider that a far superior product when it comes to gaming performance and ability.
He still thinks his Titan runs circles around my old R9 290 Tri X simply due to brand perception. That is why the Titan holds its value so well. Its performance isn't the main reason people want one. Being a Halo product lets the Titan enjoy a high resale value. Nvidia is doing really well at making the Titan seem like a card with a long shelf life, even if a comparable AMD card comes out at a cheaper price.
how can you blame AMD?
this is incredible.
so if 486/pentium price was high, it was Cyrix's fault?
How can you blame AMD? Easy they dont have a competitor in performance to the 1080, much less Titan/1080 Ti, and wont for a long time. Or is that somehow nVidia's or the consumer's fault?
And as others have posted, I dont blame consumers for paying the "nVidia tax", especially since there is zero competition in the high end from AMD. There is so much angst in these forums about evaluating every card to the nth degree for performance per dollar, but in the grand scheme of things, paying a 4 or 5 hundred dollar premium for a top of the line product is relatively minor in comparison to what you can pay for a fancy house, luxury car, fancy watch, family vacation, and on and on.
how can you blame AMD?
this is incredible.
so if 486/pentium price was high, it was Cyrix's fault?
People buy it because people want it. They proved they want it, because they buy it and the market supports it. There is plenty of performance to be had spending less money on mid range cards even at 1440 moderate settings. It's like any thing else out there. People don't need Bugatti Veyrons when a Chevy Corvette is still a lot of fun for way less, but that doesn't stop those who can buy a Veyron from buying a Veyron.
The market it what it is. This is the product of what buyers want, and will spend on any given product. If the market didn't support this, it wouldn't exist.
People going around saying, "Just don't buy it and it will stop" are dreaming like Bernie. You don't have to buy a TitanX. You buy what you can afford. And thankfully, these days, buying what you can afford can net you a great experience at any level. 1060/480 all the way up to wherever you can manage.
Enough of this don't buy it and they'll stop crap. We are way far beyond that ever happening, if we ever were in the first place. People want these things.
So they are here.