Van hits pedestrians near Finsbury Park Mosque in London

[buckshot24]

Brain-dead easy answer given to an incredibly stupid question and you're thankful? Really? Here's a thought...perhaps your insanely bigoted and simple-minded stereotype of conservatives needs a little work....just saying.

I was surprised by the question myself. Maybe he's trying to make a point I'm not seeing yet.

 

[jackstar7]

I was surprised by the question myself. Maybe he's trying to make a point I'm not seeing yet.

Hey everyone! Precedent for something that surprised buckbot!

Now we can compare to his lack of surprise at the results of that CNN online poll.

Fascinating!

 

[buckshot24]

Hey everyone! Precedent for something that surprised buckbot!

Now we can compare to his lack of surprise at the results of that CNN online poll.

Fascinating!

Man, I've really gotten to you. Are you twitching yet?

 

[Perknose]

I was surprised by the question myself. Maybe he's trying to make a point I'm not seeing yet.

Duuuuude . . . people are always making extremely clear points you are "not seeing yet."

 

[buckshot24]

Duuuuude . . . people are always making extremely clear points you are "not seeing yet."

Ok, so why did you ask me that question?

 

[Perknose]

Ok, so why did you ask me that question?

Sweet Jebus, you are industrial strength stupid. In a thread about the heartbreaking news of a white guy trying to mass murder Muslims with his vehicle, you confidently answer, in post #74, that "Islam is the problem here." I wanted to see the limits of your abysmal ignorance, you dimwitted lump of semi-sentience.

Got that?

Or, too many syllables for you?

 

[buckshot24]

Sweet Jebus, you are industrial strength stupid. In a thread about the heartbreaking news of a white guy trying to mass murder Muslims with his vehicle, you confidently answer, in post #74, that "Islam is the problem here." I wanted to see the limits of your abysmal ignorance, you dimwitted lump of semi-sentience.

Got that?

Or, too many syllables for you?

Instead of assuming the worst, you old fool, why not ask me what I was referring to? I wasn't saying Islam is the problem with this terrible attack, you dolt. I was saying Islam is the problem with Islamic terrorism. Islam is NOT the problem with this nut driving over Muslims, idiot. Is that clear enough?

Read post #78, dummy.

 

[JSt0rm]

the guy is a russian. Stop engaging.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sweet Jebus, you are industrial strength stupid. In a thread about the heartbreaking news of a white guy trying to mass murder Muslims with his vehicle, you confidently answer, in post #74, that "Islam is the problem here." I wanted to see the limits of your abysmal ignorance, you dimwitted lump of semi-sentience.

Got that?

Or, too many syllables for you?

Seriously man, he's a troll. Literally nothing more. He deserves nothing more than ridicule, mocking and derision.

 

[Meghan54]

nvm

 

[buckshot24]

the guy is a russian. Stop engaging.

I have a forged birth certificate to prove otherwise.

 

[John Connor]

NO, he didn't, you fucking ignoramus.

You know, I like how you a moderator can get off calling me out like that. Maybe I should write a nice long letter to Purch? Maybe visit them in Ogden? You need to watch your God damn lying mouth!



How many times do we get to go over the rules with you. Mods are entitled to post as regular members and are afforded the same rights as regular members. You are not allowed to bring his mod status into question when he's posting as a member. We've been over this with you time and time again. You are the one who called out Perknose. Not the other way around, He just called you a name/insult, which is allowed under the rules of debate set for in P&N more than 5 years ago.
Now you're threatening to call Purch, knock yourself out.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Perknose]

Seriously man, he's a troll. Literally nothing more. He deserves nothing more than ridicule, mocking and derision.

Yeah, he could be a clever little pos troll, but I'm going with bone stupid and faux news slurping ignorant.

 

[davmat787]

Think... accomplish? You skip past the point. Take a step back and study human tribalism throughout history. It's really pretty simple "us vs them" mentality at play. The same sort of violence that'd play out here if left unchecked without calls for civility. What happens is the media (social especially) ramps up the partisanship, the fear, and hatred... and then the violence. As those factors increase the weaker among us act out against the "others".

It's simply a human condition, a failing of our mental faculties that leads to such atrocities.

Tribalism explains so much and once one understands it's human context, you see tribalism everywhere and in so many different aspects of life.

You say it's a failing of our mental state, I think that might be a little harsh although tribalism today leads to more negative outcomes than positive. Obviously it had evolutionary advantages which is why I think it's too harsh to label it as mental failing. Fair or not?

 

[buckshot24]

Yeah, he could be a clever little pos troll, but I'm going with bone stupid and faux news slurping ignorant.

You attacked me viciously because you didn't know what I was talking about and I didn't figure out how you were misinterpreting me. I also assumed you would have read post 78.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah, he could be a clever little pos troll, but I'm going with bone stupid and faux news slurping ignorant.

I NEVER in this life, stated directly or indirectly he even had the faintest glimmer of 'clever'. And if for some inane reason I did, I rescind that statement immediately, and humbly ask you concede me that.

 

[brycejones]

You know, I like how you a moderator can get off calling me out like that. Maybe I should write a nice long letter to Purch? Maybe visit them in Ogden? You need to watch your God damn lying mouth!

you fucking ignoramus

Don't have to be mod to call you that around here. It's P&N if you can't deal with being called out on your bull shit and the fact that you wallow like a pig in shit in your willful ignorance then maybe you should go some place else. This forum isn't a safe space for anyone you poor little snowflake.

 

[Ackmed]

Ironically acts of terrorism committed against Muslims are not acknowledged by conservatives. I.E. current attack in London and Quebec mosque attack. Your Orange Commander in Chief has not acknowledged either as terrorism but is quick to a insta tweet when when act is committed by a Muslim

He doesn't speak for all conservatives. Don't lump everyone together. That's a mistake many of us do, myself included from time to time. It's despicable no matter who does it. No matter who it's against. He's only my commander on chief because he's atop my chain of command. If you noticed, I condemned it.

Gotta push that agenda.

Actually, countering another agenda. But good try.

 

[Jaskalas]

Tribalism explains so much and once one understands it's human context, you see tribalism everywhere and in so many different aspects of life.

You say it's a failing of our mental state, I think that might be a little harsh although tribalism today leads to more negative outcomes than positive. Obviously it had evolutionary advantages which is why I think it's too harsh to label it as mental failing. Fair or not?

Much of the horrors we inflict upon each other are based on this... state of mind we find ourselves in. Failing to overcome it is a serious flaw in our social character. There's not enough effort made to protect people from falling for the "Us VS Them" mentality. In fact, without regard for the human condition, much of our media is fueling the partisanship... the fear... the hatred...ultimately the violence we see today.

I call it a mental health problem, as I find something unique to our present situation in history. More of us recognize that we need to do good for one another, even "others" whom we may not identify with... who may even hold hostilities towards us... but an increasing number of people are falling under the influences of a negative state of mind.

I base my theory on the constant barrage of negativity surrounding "others" in the media. First it was 24/7 cable news... become a junkie and vulnerable folks may think the world is out to get them. Now with social media on your phone it's in your face. We are trapped by a constant stream of negativity when our minds are built to seek comfort. It is in this inversion of our comfort that our brains shut down a constructive meaning and instead take the shortcut to dismissing "others". Dismiss the ideas, the emotions, their appeals. Dismiss their humanity.

I posit that this dehumanizing of other people is increased by the barrage of social media contact giving our brains the signals of a threat. Of stress. We don't put down the phones or turn off the news... instead we turn to fearing the others, to hating what we perceive them to be doing, and that will break us down into acting out on that emotional stress and misguided belief.

I fear we are setting up an increasing number of people to fall victim to a mental state of acting out violence against "others".

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

This is hardly a new phenomenon. If anything, the last 60-odd years have been anomalously peaceful...

 

[davmat787]

Much of the horrors we inflict upon each other are based on this... state of mind we find ourselves in. Failing to overcome it is a serious flaw in our social character. There's not enough effort made to protect people from falling for the "Us VS Them" mentality. In fact, without regard for the human condition, much of our media is fueling the partisanship... the fear... the hatred...ultimately the violence we see today.

I call it a mental health problem, as I find something unique to our present situation in history. More of us recognize that we need to do good for one another, even "others" whom we may not identify with... who may even hold hostilities towards us... but an increasing number of people are falling under the influences of a negative state of mind.

I base my theory on the constant barrage of negativity surrounding "others" in the media. First it was 24/7 cable news... become a junkie and vulnerable folks may think the world is out to Now with social media on your phone it's in your face. We are trapped by a constant stream of negativity when our minds are built to seek comfort. It is in this inversion of our comfort that our brains shut down a constructive meaning and instead take the shortcut to dismissing "others". Dismiss the ideas, the emotions, their appeals. Dismiss their humanity.

I posit that this dehumanizing of other people is increased by the barrage of social media contact giving our brains the signals of a threat. Of stress. We don't put down the phones or turn off the news... instead we turn to fearing the others, to hating what we perceive them to be doing, and that will break us down into acting out on that emotional stress and misguided belief.

I fear we are setting up an increasing number of people to fall victim to a mental state of acting out violence against "others".

Agreed. If my original reply wasn't clear I wasn't disagreeing with your premise regarding tribalism in the modern day. Rather just wanted to add that I think it's a vestigial trait that a long time ago was an evolutionary advantage. Much like our instinctual adversions to the dark, spiders & snakes, and things turned putrid that are still in us today yet are no where near as useful today.

What used to be an evolutionary advantage on the whole is today a liability to societal advancement. Yet it's so f'ing obvious to anyone who understands it and once they do it's easy to see how our tribalism streak manifests itself in all sorts of ways, many often benign such as sports fandom although there are countless examples where it lead to real ugly incidents.

And as you point out the current trend to dehumanization in discourse what's really concerning is that of course dehumanization is often a preliminary step that makes annihilation easier to accept psychologically by those rendering it.

Any combat facing soldier knows the value in the dehumanization of the enemy. The psychological burden of killing is greatly reduced and easier to accept or justify.

Initially Jews were executed by gunshot from a nazi soldier. Even the most hard core Nazi's quickly learned there was a huge psychological cost to the up close and personal killing no matter the extent of preexisting dehumanization so some limits exist.

Don't know why I felt like adding this. I guess I find myself increasingly often trying to identify the psychology behind all this. Simply calling it CBD or degenerate mentality or suggesting a shooting that might be identified as a left or right thing and then trying to score political points is tribalism manifested in a seriously ugly way.

 

[agent00f]

Much of the horrors we inflict upon each other are based on this... state of mind we find ourselves in. Failing to overcome it is a serious flaw in our social character. There's not enough effort made to protect people from falling for the "Us VS Them" mentality. In fact, without regard for the human condition, much of our media is fueling the partisanship... the fear... the hatred...ultimately the violence we see today.

I call it a mental health problem, as I find something unique to our present situation in history. More of us recognize that we need to do good for one another, even "others" whom we may not identify with... who may even hold hostilities towards us... but an increasing number of people are falling under the influences of a negative state of mind.

I base my theory on the constant barrage of negativity surrounding "others" in the media. First it was 24/7 cable news... become a junkie and vulnerable folks may think the world is out to get them. Now with social media on your phone it's in your face. We are trapped by a constant stream of negativity when our minds are built to seek comfort. It is in this inversion of our comfort that our brains shut down a constructive meaning and instead take the shortcut to dismissing "others". Dismiss the ideas, the emotions, their appeals. Dismiss their humanity.

I posit that this dehumanizing of other people is increased by the barrage of social media contact giving our brains the signals of a threat. Of stress. We don't put down the phones or turn off the news... instead we turn to fearing the others, to hating what we perceive them to be doing, and that will break us down into acting out on that emotional stress and misguided belief.

I fear we are setting up an increasing number of people to fall victim to a mental state of acting out violence against "others".

Agreed. If my original reply wasn't clear I wasn't disagreeing with your premise regarding tribalism in the modern day. Rather just wanted to add that I think it's a vestigial trait that a long time ago was an evolutionary advantage. Much like our instinctual adversions to the dark, spiders & snakes, and things turned putrid that are still in us today yet are no where near as useful today.

What used to be an evolutionary advantage on the whole is today a liability to societal advancement. Yet it's so f'ing obvious to anyone who understands it and once they do it's easy to see how our tribalism streak manifests itself in all sorts of ways, many often benign such as sports fandom although there are countless examples where it lead to real ugly incidents.

And as you point out the current trend to dehumanization in discourse what's really concerning is that of course dehumanization is often a preliminary step that makes annihilation easier to accept psychologically by those rendering it.

Any combat facing soldier knows the value in the dehumanization of the enemy. The psychological burden of killing is greatly reduced and easier to accept or justify.

Initially Jews were executed by gunshot from a nazi soldier. Even the most hard core Nazi's quickly learned there was a huge psychological cost to the up close and personal killing no matter the extent of preexisting dehumanization so some limits exist.

Don't know why I felt like adding this. I guess I find myself increasingly often trying to identify the psychology behind all this. Simply calling it CBD or degenerate mentality or suggesting a shooting that might be identified as a left or right thing and then trying to score political points is tribalism manifested in a seriously ugly way.

It's very much in the interest of horrible people to proclaim themselves the Real victims, since generally speaking the benefits outweigh any costs. For example for right wing neo nazis (ie the alt-right) to pretend that political correctness & such are unfairly stifling their right to free speech or whatever. It's also in the interest of morally bereft groups looking to pick up political votes on the cheap to align with such degenerates. Just campaign by supporting said pretenses plus dog whistle racism (muslims=terrorists,mexicans=rapists,blacks=vote-fraud,etc), all while trying to cast any resulting criticism of such strategies as the Real problem with Murica. Arguments that neo-nazis are really the modern day jews are comically inept but it's the thought that counts.

Clearly that system works to an adequate extend for these folks, so there's no reason for them to stop. I mean, it'll be blatantly evident that perfectly revealing their little degenerate game will only cause all sorts of fake indignation, as the patently dishonest know are in their best interest to pretend when exposed.

 

[xthetenth]

In contrast to "generous" liberals...who donate less time, less blood, and less money...who believe government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality...but personally give an average of four times less than conservatives who reject this belief?

Liberals tend to not live in failed states that depend on the charity of decent people to paper over the worst suffering, at least of those in eyeshot who they can empathize with.

A society shouldn't ask good people to martyr themselves just so that the greedy can keep more, and it most certainly shouldn't wave that around as a sign of pride.

I sure hope you're not propping your self-esteem up on the works of your betters.

It's very much in the interest of horrible people to proclaim themselves the Real victims, since generally speaking the benefits outweigh any costs. For example for right wing neo nazis (ie the alt-right) to pretend that political correctness & such are unfairly stifling their right to free speech or whatever.

I'd contend that it's not in the interest for those people, it's essential to them being able to sustain those beliefs. They need to be able to believe in worse and worse libels against the Enemy to sustain what their views and goals become. By a certain point they need to believe that they're quite literally waging a war for the survival of civilization to justify their desire to harm the Enemy because they've convinced themselves that's all that stands between them and a golden age.

 

[davmat787]

Liberals tend to not live in failed states that depend on the charity of decent people to paper over the worst suffering, at least of those in eyeshot who they can empathize with.

A society shouldn't ask good people to martyr themselves just so that the greedy can keep more, and it most certainly shouldn't wave that around as a sign of pride.

I sure hope you're not propping your self-esteem up on the works of your betters.



I'd contend that it's not in the interest for those people, it's essential to them being able to sustain those beliefs. They need to be able to believe in worse and worse libels against the Enemy to sustain what their views and goals become. By a certain point they need to believe that they're quite literally waging a war for the survival of civilization to justify their desire to harm the Enemy because they've convinced themselves that's all that stands between them and a golden age.

In another thread we discussed the human need to dehumanize their enemies as it eases the psychological burden and guilt when it leads to war against the enemy. There are countless examples of this throughout history and beyond. No doubt the first human conflict witnessed both sides dehumanizing the other.

It's certainly not unique to the right or left or anywhere else on the political spectrum.

 

[agent00f]

I'd contend that it's not in the interest for those people, it's essential to them being able to sustain those beliefs. They need to be able to believe in worse and worse libels against the Enemy to sustain what their views and goals become. By a certain point they need to believe that they're quite literally waging a war for the survival of civilization to justify their desire to harm the Enemy because they've convinced themselves that's all that stands between them and a golden age.

If you look at the human capacity for "thinking" & language as a result of evolutionary advantage for rationalizing self-interested behavior, instead of any factual reasoning, it makes perfect sense for people to concoct whatever it takes to justify their existing advantages, and it certainly is an advantage to be above some ethnic underclass. That's not a "fault", just how how the mechanism worked for almost the entirety of human existence.

For present circumstances, it took until some greeks and a renaissance many years later for thinking to be observational and empirical, and taught as such in modern western liberal societies. So there's absolutely no mystery why students of that school are on the opposing side of basically everything to old-fashioned conservative "thinkers".

We discussed the human need to dehumanize their enemies as it eases the psychological burden and guilt when it leads to war against the enemy. There are countless examples of this throughout history and beyond. No doubt the first human conflict witnessed both sides dehumanizing the other.

It's certainly not unique to the right or left or anywhere else on the political spectrum.

It's just an empirical fact that humanizing people is a liberal virtue. The only contention here is whether it's wise to humanize objectively inhumane sorts always looking to take advantage of others' egalitarian behavior.