[Various] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Review Thread

[antihelten]

The 2½ slot isn't the only issue. Height is another.

True, but in the context of Nvidia building a better blower cooler, the HIS cooler really isn't too far off, for instance it's only 0.5 cm too high to fit in a SFF case like the SG05. I'm sure Nvidia could make a cooler that shaved off 0.5 cm from the height whilst maintaining the cooling performance, after all this HIS cooler is positively ancient (I think the 7950 was the last time HIS used it), so it should be possible to improve upon it today.

 

[ShintaiDK]

True, but in the context of Nvidia building a better blower cooler, the HIS cooler really isn't too far off, for instance it's only 0.5 cm too high to fit in a SFF case like the SG05. I'm sure Nvidia could make a cooler that shaved off 0.5 cm from the height whilst maintaining the cooling performance, after all this HIS cooler is positively ancient (I think the 7950 was the last time HIS used it), so it should be possible to improve upon it today.

I think its much higher than you think. (Same cooler, just on a 7870).

 

[antihelten]

I think its much higher than you think. (Same cooler, just on a 7870).

Actually I didn't (it's 15.5 cm for anyone curious), I did however mess up my conversion for the SG05 case (bloody imperial system), so it's actually 2.5 cm to high.

Even so I don't see why Nvidia wouldn't be able to fix this, it's not like the HIS cooler somehow relies on having its heatpipes jut out like that.

 

[MangoX]

Are these honestly two different review samples of the "same" model card? I've never seen anything like this. I'm really astounded.

Probably because yields are so low that Nvidia actually had to use engineering samples just to supply the press with review cards. Seems plausible. Contrary to previous Nvidia generational launches, this one has been utter a mess. The presentation has been cringe worthy.

Maybe this is the 4870 vs GTX280 all over again. Nvidia knows AMD has a secret weapon names Polaris. They know the price will be so low they won't be able to compete, with the low yields of GP104. So what they are doing now is selling whatever chips they can produce (before AMD lays their whammy), for a $100 mark-up, claiming it has a "premium" cooler made with so-called "premium" components. When asked what these were, Nvidia didn't have an answer.

I have this feeling that Nvidia wants to sell as many cards as possible at $699. So this $100 markup is actually an early adopter tax. After all the pre-orders sell out, there will be a short amount of time where stock runs out. Next AMD announces Polaris bringing the price of entry for 290-like performance down. When the Pascal cards come back in stock, the GTX1080 will retail for its "original" MSRP of $599. Then the GTX1070 launches and it will retail for either $449 or $379 depending on Polaris performance.

 

[Sweepr]

Maybe this is the 4870 vs GTX280 all over again. Nvidia knows AMD has a secret weapon names Polaris. They know the price will be so low they won't be able to compete, with the low yields of GP104.

Citation needed.

 

[tential]

Probably because yields are so low that Nvidia actually had to use engineering samples just to supply the press with review cards. Seems plausible. Contrary to previous Nvidia generational launches, this one has been utter a mess. The presentation has been cringe worthy.

Maybe this is the 4870 vs GTX280 all over again. Nvidia knows AMD has a secret weapon names Polaris. They know the price will be so low they won't be able to compete, with the low yields of GP104. So what they are doing now is selling whatever chips they can produce (before AMD lays their whammy), for a $100 mark-up, claiming it has a "premium" cooler made with so-called "premium" components. When asked what these were, Nvidia didn't have an answer.

I have this feeling that Nvidia wants to sell as many cards as possible at $699. So this $100 markup is actually an early adopter tax. After all the pre-orders sell out, there will be a short amount of time where stock runs out. Next AMD announces Polaris bringing the price of entry for 290-like performance down. When the Pascal cards come back in stock, the GTX1080 will retail for its "original" MSRP of $599. Then the GTX1070 launches and it will retail for either $449 or $379 depending on Polaris performance.

I want to say that you're being Captain Obvious for the bolded part, but I actually believe there are people buying the Founders Edition who believe they're getting additional value they were not getting before.

It's just a preorder/early adopter tax. And there is nothing wrong with charging an early adopter tax... just be honest with yourself and everyone else and say "I'm paying extra to get it first!" No harm in that, lots of people do it! Or they take some other hit to get it first.

I'll be dealing with issues this whole week, because I'm an early adopter of another product I ordered.

 

[sweetusernames]

Probably because yields are so low that Nvidia actually had to use engineering samples just to supply the press with review cards. Seems plausible. Contrary to previous Nvidia generational launches, this one has been utter a mess. The presentation has been cringe worthy.

Maybe this is the 4870 vs GTX280 all over again. Nvidia knows AMD has a secret weapon names Polaris. They know the price will be so low they won't be able to compete, with the low yields of GP104. So what they are doing now is selling whatever chips they can produce (before AMD lays their whammy), for a $100 mark-up, claiming it has a "premium" cooler made with so-called "premium" components. When asked what these were, Nvidia didn't have an answer.

I have this feeling that Nvidia wants to sell as many cards as possible at $699. So this $100 markup is actually an early adopter tax. After all the pre-orders sell out, there will be a short amount of time where stock runs out. Next AMD announces Polaris bringing the price of entry for 290-like performance down. When the Pascal cards come back in stock, the GTX1080 will retail for its "original" MSRP of $599. Then the GTX1070 launches and it will retail for either $449 or $379 depending on Polaris performance.

One would wonder what AMD has been doing ever since their first Polaris vs GTX 950 comparison to now.

Are they laughing maniacally in their offices, seeing this Pascal launch that reassured their faith that Polaris is going to dominate? Or is it the opposite?

I personally hope Polaris is great, HD4870 vs GTX280 and all that, since hopefully nV makes 1060/1060Ti a really sweet card, like the 660Ti was. GTX 960 looked so disappointing price/perf wise because the 970 existed lol.

 

[wingman04]

I want to say that you're being Captain Obvious for the bolded part, but I actually believe there are people buying the Founders Edition who believe they're getting additional value they were not getting before.

It's just a preorder/early adopter tax. And there is nothing wrong with charging an early adopter tax... just be honest with yourself and everyone else and say "I'm paying extra to get it first!" No harm in that, lots of people do it! Or they take some other hit to get it first.

I'll be dealing with issues this whole week, because I'm an early adopter of another product I ordered.

I think early adopter tax is wrong it just limits the supply of the product and increases the product price in the long-term, it is just supply and demand.

 

[Bacon1]

I want to say that you're being Captain Obvious for the bolded part, but I actually believe there are people buying the Founders Edition who believe they're getting additional value they were not getting before.

It's just a preorder/early adopter tax. And there is nothing wrong with charging an early adopter tax... just be honest with yourself and everyone else and say "I'm paying extra to get it first!" No harm in that, lots of people do it! Or they take some other hit to get it first.

I'll be dealing with issues this whole week, because I'm an early adopter of another product I ordered.

They just don't want to admit they are buying a (partly) defective product because they can't wait an extra few weeks for custom coolers to come out. They don't want to admit FE is a bad buy.

1080 is a good chip, the FE has a terrible cooler and half assed board

 

[R0H1T]

I want to say that you're being Captain Obvious for the bolded part, but I actually believe there are people buying the Founders Edition who believe they're getting additional value they were not getting before.

It's just a preorder/early adopter tax. And there is nothing wrong with charging an early adopter tax... just be honest with yourself and everyone else and say "I'm paying extra to get it first!" No harm in that, lots of people do it! Or they take some other hit to get it first.

I'll be dealing with issues this whole week, because I'm an early adopter of another product I ordered.

Aren't you contradicting yourself? As Bacon said some (uninformed) users actually are being duped into this FE facade, then there are those who know this is a money grab & are happy to pay for it. Then there are still those who think that this is something premium, but they're just lying to themselves to feel good D:

The first & the last are the ones you mentioned, probably left out the middle of the pack.

 

[96Firebird]

You guys care way too much about how someone else spends their money...

 

[wingman04]

They just don't want to admit they are buying a (partly) defective product because they can't wait an extra few weeks for custom coolers to come out. They don't want to admit FE is a bad buy.

1080 is a good chip, the FE has a terrible cooler and half assed board

This^^ Nvidia does not know what it is doing on making Graphics cards, EVGA should buy them out and take over if they can make a good chip, it should be easy.

 

[railven]

Let me get this straight, NV puts out a premium blower (effectiveness if subjective) that some people call overpriced (I'm one of them), but others who are a niche (appears my pool showed that for here, roughly 10% of users) find it is suitable for their needs and thus justifiable for it's premium.

These people are wrong, for reasons. But this very same forum had users who had no issue with Nano's initial price because "it's niche."

The hills some people pick to battle blow my mind.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Let me get this straight, NV puts out a premium blower (effectiveness if subjective) that some people call overpriced (I'm one of them), but others who are a niche (appears my pool showed that for here, roughly 10% of users) find it is suitable for their needs and thus justifiable for it's premium.

These people are wrong, for reasons. But this very same forum had users who had no issue with Nano's initial price because "it's niche."

The hills some people pick to battle blow my mind.

+1 :thumbsup:

 

[Bacon1]

I didn't realize that full sized coolers are now a niche market place, but sure.

I do however seem to remember all these people hammering the WC on the Fury X because it made the price/perf vs the 980 Ti bad. That actually had a premium cooler and everyone ignored it over price/perf.

This is a bad cooler and the price/perf gets compared to the $599 MSRP..

W/e

 

[wingman04]

Let me get this straight, NV puts out a premium blower (effectiveness if subjective) that some people call overpriced (I'm one of them), but others who are a niche (appears my pool showed that for here, roughly 10% of users) find it is suitable for their needs and thus justifiable for it's premium.

These people are wrong, for reasons. But this very same forum had users who had no issue with Nano's initial price because "it's niche."

The hills some people pick to battle blow my mind.

If Nvidia used a turd for cooler and called it premium people would eat it up.

 

[Stuka87]

Let me get this straight, NV puts out a premium blower (effectiveness if subjective) that some people call overpriced (I'm one of them), but others who are a niche (appears my pool showed that for here, roughly 10% of users) find it is suitable for their needs and thus justifiable for it's premium.

These people are wrong, for reasons. But this very same forum had users who had no issue with Nano's initial price because "it's niche."

The hills some people pick to battle blow my mind.

There is a big difference. The niche that the Nano fell into was a high performance card that would work well in the smallest of cases out there. There was a market for this, just small. The price drop made it viable for a much larger number of people.

With the Founders Edition, there is no niche for it to fall into. Its a full size card with sub-par cooling that results in it throttling itself unless you crank the fan speed up to unbearable sound levels.

Had nVidia made a true premium card for the extra price, such as the difference between the Fury and Fury X, nobody would be complaining.

 

[CakeMonster]

Are there any reviews measuring response time on Fast Sync vs regular vsync?

 

[Bacon1]

Are there any reviews measuring response time on Fast Sync vs regular vsync?

Not that I've seen.

Fast Sync is for > GSync / Monitor refresh rate speeds, which can already be handled by Windowed Mode in Windows 10 or frame limiting outside of vsync (RTSS or similar).

Would be nice to see people actually spend the time to track the ms differences between:

Full screen
Borderless Windowed Mode (W10 only, much improved perf vs Win 7/8).
Fast Sync
RTSS

 

[railven]

There is a big difference. The niche that the Nano fell into was a high performance card that would work well in the smallest of cases out there. There was a market for this, just small. The price drop made it viable for a much larger number of people.

Clearly there is a market for this too. Whether some of us agree with it doesn't change that.

With the Founders Edition, there is no niche for it to fall into. Its a full size card with sub-par cooling that results in it throttling itself unless you crank the fan speed up to unbearable sound levels.

There is a niche for this or the product wouldn't sell out. And before we argue "well it isn't niche buyers who are buying it out" the same can be said for Nano.

This product is entirely niche, as is evident by the mentality of enthusiast buyers who go custom everything from the get go. Once custom AIB cards are out, this product's demand is going to fall flat on it's face.
EDIT: Again, the price premium was defended for Nano. It eventually got a price cut a few months later as demanded fizzled out. This product will also see that same fizzle out, but something tells me it won't get a price cut, as it will remain niche and thus the premium will be justified.

Had nVidia made a true premium card for the extra price, such as the difference between the Fury and Fury X, nobody would be complaining.

Yeah, some how I doubt that. Not here at least.

 

[CakeMonster]

Fast Sync is for > GSync / Monitor refresh rate speeds, which can already be handled by Windowed Mode in Windows 10 or frame limiting outside of vsync (RTSS or similar).

Any good writeups on this anywhere? I'm on W7 and I hate tearing so I always enable Vsync but I also stick religiously to Windowed Borderless because of utility. I was hoping that Fast Sync could help with that since I've heard that Gsync/Freesync have issues with Borderless.

 

[crisium]

I think it comes down to the fraudulence of Nvidia. Like Tential said, if they simply called it an early adopters tax that'd be one thing. But they say the MSRP of this card is $600, and you can buy it on Launch day for $700, now enjoy the reviews of this $700 product that have a $600 price listed? It's unprecedented to say that this is the launch MSRP, and this is the launch price which is higher. And we'll rename Reference as FE to reset the stigma!

The Nano MSRP was $650, and that is what it launched at. There is nothing unprecedented about choosing a poor price for a card. No fraudulence, no misleading, no wordplay "FE = Reference" just simple poor pricing.

Seems like dirty businessmen tactics vs stupid business tactics.

 

[Bacon1]

Any good writeups on this anywhere? I'm on W7 and I hate tearing so I always enable Vsync but I also stick religiously to Windowed Borderless because of utility. I was hoping that Fast Sync could help with that since I've heard that Gsync/Freesync have issues with Borderless.

If you meant Win10's updated Windowed mode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3wTajGZOsA

Lots of other indepth videos on their channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiaX2B8XiXR70jaN7NK-FpA/videos

 

[sontin]

I think it comes down to the fraudulence of Nvidia. Like Tential said, if they simply called it an early adopters tax that'd be one thing. But they say the MSRP of this card is $600, and you can buy it on Launch day for $700, now enjoy the reviews of this $700 product that have a $600 price listed? It's unprecedented to say that this is the launch MSRP, and this is the launch price which is higher. And we'll rename Reference as FE to reset the stigma!

The Nano MSRP was $650, and that is what it launched at. There is nothing unprecedented about choosing a poor price for a card. No fraudulence, no misleading, no wordplay "FE = Reference" just simple poor pricing.

Seems like dirty businessmen tactics vs stupid business tactics.

What? nVidia disclosed two price points and they are very transparent about their strategy. AMD reduced the price of the Nano after they sold to early adapters. AMD had never disclosed this intention before the reduction. :thumbsdown:

 

[Ranulf]

You guys care way too much about how someone else spends their money...

Human nature. Also, the perf/watt arguments of the past couple of years have made me bitter. It uses 50/100/150 less watts! That saves money! Person then proceeds to pay $600-700 for a card that will be obsolete as it were in 6 months.