how confident are you with this %? because if this is right, every 980 ti owner who is selling their card is basically giving away money. especially if their card are ones like 750$ top tier versions.See my sig, I have 9x120mm radiator and all my cards and the CPU are water-cooled and my water loop could easily dissipate upwards of 3KW of heat that's why I find the power argument completely irrelevant in my case. That cooling and the 1.2KW PSU are there for a reason. Where did you write about Fury? BTW. I consider anything under 20% to be minor certainly not noticeable.
Because 1080 is under 12% faster after overclocking and also because I didn't see any review where non-reference clocked 980Ti were pitted against 1080. That Asus Matrix is in another league performance-wise than the stock clocked 980Ti
Gotta love the 'silky smooth' part.
Where are all these 980Ti's that easily clock to 1500Mhz? Mine certainly don't.
All I'm seeing is a bunch of apologists for some reason claiming a 1080 is only barely faster than an overclocked 980Ti when I see benchmarks show otherwise, especially at 4k.
As a 4k user, I could definitely use the upgrade to the 1080 from my current 980Ti's. I'm willing to bet 1080 SLI absolutely smashes 980Ti SLI regardless of OC because it already does so at 1440p/4k.
If I clock my 980Ti's to anything over 1300 I start getting instant reboots/crashes depending how high i go, and I have a pretty beefy system.
From what I see the reference 1080 outperforms the 980Ti on average 30% at "routine" clocks. That's good enough a reason for me to upgrade my 980Ti's and get even better performance at 4k.
Where are all these 980Ti's that easily clock to 1500Mhz? Mine certainly don't.
All I'm seeing is a bunch of apologists for some reason claiming a 1080 is only barely faster than an overclocked 980Ti when I see benchmarks show otherwise, especially at 4k.
As a 4k user, I could definitely use the upgrade to the 1080 from my current 980Ti's. I'm willing to bet 1080 SLI absolutely smashes 980Ti SLI regardless of OC because it already does so at 1440p/4k.
If I clock my 980Ti's to anything over 1300 I start getting instant reboots/crashes depending how high i go, and I have a pretty beefy system.
From what I see the reference 1080 outperforms the 980Ti on average 30% at "routine" clocks. That's good enough a reason for me to upgrade my 980Ti's and get even better performance at 4k.
If anything AMD being quiet tells me they aren't worried. And I don't think they should be worried. Polaris is in an entirely different market segment from Pascal.Hopefully AMD will post something soon and let us know they're okay.
Checkmate.
So is Vega.You are saying that like smaller die pascal cards are not coming to compete with polaris.
Isn't fast sync just like tripple buffering? Would like to see someone compare the two. But to me it sounds the same on paper.
If anything AMD being quiet tells me they aren't worried. And I don't think they should be worried. Polaris is in an entirely different market segment from Pascal.
Works for both of them. AMD continues to regain market share, and Nvidia gets to keep charging exuberant prices for GPUs, everyone's happy.
You are saying that like smaller die pascal cards are not coming to compete with polaris.
I just watched that video and even Tom says there is some latency with Fast Sync compared to no vsync (double buffering). @3:10No, triple buffering adds latency as well. What fast sync does (as I understand it) pick the latest finished back buffer and stores it to use for front buffer when front buffer finishes drawing on screen (so the back buffer may have already been overwritten multiple times, but latest full back buffer will be used). After watching this video Fast sync and G-Sync are complimentary features (Fast Sync is useful when GPU FPS is higher than monitor refresh rate and G-Sync useful when FPS is below monitor refresh and highly variable):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpUX8ZNkn2U
To damage controlAMD being quiet about Pascal doesn't mean anything. Why would they say something if they're screwed?
Where are all these 980Ti's that easily clock to 1500Mhz? Mine certainly don't.
If I clock my 980Ti's to anything over 1300 I start getting instant reboots/crashes depending how high i go, and I have a pretty beefy system.
From what I see the reference 1080 outperforms the 980Ti on average 30% at "routine" clocks. That's good enough a reason for me to upgrade my 980Ti's and get even better performance at 4k.
Anyway, haters gonna hate.
AMD being quiet about Pascal doesn't mean anything. Why would they say something if they're screwed?
I am trying to remember if they did or not. Like I don't remember them saying anything about IPC or power efficiency which is what really hurt them in the end.They hyped up Bulldozer a lot before launch and they had to know what a pile of garbage that was going to be.
To damage control
My point exactly.What is there to damage control? The 1080 is card that only a select few people (in the grand scheme of things) will be interested in.
A single 1080 is still not fast enough for 4k to be an enjoyable experience. It's $700 for a reference card, and there won't be very many of them to meet demand. Even after their partners get custom models out it's going to be just shy of a good card for 4k in all upcoming titles.
The only people who should be buying this card are those that buy and sell the highest end cards whenever new flagships appear. Anyone else should wait for Nvidia and AMD to release their actual flagships for the new node because this card just doesn't offer enough to make it attractive to the vast majority of PC gamers even at $599. After the 1080ti/Titan xXx come out and are $699/$1499 the regular 1080 will drop down to $450 where it belongs.
Where are all these 980Ti's that easily clock to 1500Mhz?
All I'm seeing is a bunch of apologists for some reason claiming a 1080 is only barely faster than an overclocked 980Ti when I see benchmarks show otherwise, especially at 4k.
Too busy trampling on Fury X threads.
Apologists? It's the other way round, the apologists are claiming that 1080 is significantly faster and 980Ti OC doesn't matter.
TPU and guru3d OC results don't look good at all and the only way 1080 SLI is going to "smash" a 980Ti setup, both OCed, is 'driver improvements' for Pascal. :sneaky:
After the 1080ti/Titan xXx come out and are $699/$1499 the regular 1080 will drop down to $450 where it belongs.
The Ti is always significantly more expensive though. Even with the price hike of the 1080, I would expect the 1080Ti to be above the budget of many of those who consider the 1080.