[Various]Radeon Fury X and Radeon Fury coming

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Makaveli

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The Titan X is designed more for people who really need the 12GB of RAM for GPU computing-related purposes, and probably don't mind playing a game or two with it (leaving aside the people that just have more money than sense). If they really were targeting the Titan X's performance for their top-end product, then the 980 Ti may well have wrong-footed them. We'll have to wait and see.

On another note, I'm not too keen on the name "Radeon Fury X." Sounds too much like "Rage Fury Maxx" for my liking.

The titan X is not the original Titan and has its compute heldback compared to the previous model. The X is a gaming card not a compute card.

And with the 980TI so close in performance it has made the X pretty useless. It cannot fall back on DP compute performance as that has been stripped.

The only thing it has going for it is more Vram I believe that card has more vram than it can use in its life time.
 

Rvenger

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Its because Fiji is not a new architecture.
AMD have just scaled up the chip from 290X with more cores and included HBM.

Thats why I`m not 100% optimistic about TDP and power consumption vs 980Ti.


If I see you passing speculation off as facts one more time, you will not be posting here until after the cards are released. I will not tolerate you being here to stir up unconfirmed rumors and pass them along as being true.

If you don't have a reference, don't even post it.

-Rvenger
 

LTC8K6

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http://www.amd.com/Documents/High-Bandwidth-Memory-HBM.pdf

I just noticed in the footnotes that the bandwidth is referenced to an HBM-1 device, but the size graphic is for an HBM-2 stack.

Is HBM-1 actually bigger than HBM-2?

Also the wattage comparison is to a 290X, so HBM-1 will be a little worse next to NV's current crop of cards as far as BW per watt.
 

thehotsung8701A

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This.

$599 if it matches the 980Ti performance. $549 tops, if it is even just 2% slower than the 980Ti.

The power consumption worries me though. Not as much on the wattage itself, but the headroom for OCing.

If that the case, I see no reason to bother with AMD this generation. I mean people buy AMD cause they are far cheaper than Nvidia and sometime slighty worst or slighty better but the price is why people buy AMD. A 50 to 100 dollar price differences for quicker driver support, gameworks, game developer support is not worth the hassle. Of course this is just my opinion.
 

exar333

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If that the case, I see no reason to bother with AMD this generation. I mean people buy AMD cause they are far cheaper than Nvidia and sometime slighty worst or slighty better but the price is why people buy AMD. A 50 to 100 dollar price differences for quicker driver support, gameworks, game developer support is not worth the hassle. Of course this is just my opinion.

I don't wholly disagree with this, but it appears AMD wants to get away from being the 'budget alternative'. For better or worse.
 

thehotsung8701A

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your kidding right?

Better multiscreen gaming like eyefinity is the main reason for me.
if fiji has PLP support that be icing on the cake.
Mantle....

For me, it has always been price. I have a 580m in my laptop but that was a free upgrade because there was a 2 week delay, other than that, AMD always seem cheaper and a better value.

I bought my HD 5850 over the Nvidia competitor because it was not only cheaper but better as well.

Does Nvidia not have anything similar to eyefinity?
 

tential

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For me, it has always been price. I have a 580m in my laptop but that was a free upgrade because there was a 2 week delay, other than that, AMD always seem cheaper and a better value.

I bought my HD 5850 over the Nvidia competitor because it was not only cheaper but better as well.

Does Nvidia not have anything similar to eyefinity?
Judging from your other posts you may not know enough about how the gpu landscape changes over time especially now. I'm going amd because they support gcn better. Look ad kepler to see where maxwell will be in nvidia sponsored titles after Pascale drops. Look at non nvidia titles to see where kepler should be. Nvidia has a planned model for gpus going obsolete and I'm not paying the nvidia premium to upgrade my 980ti after 1 year when it drops to gtx 1060 non ti performance levels next year. Gaming would need a larger part of my budget or nvidia needs to show they care a lot about older generation gpus for me to get on board. Although 50 isn't enough of a price difference 100 is. In reality even 50 is a lot for me. I don't game enough to pay 50 more dollars so that nvidia can purposely gimp amd gpus as well as their own gpus with game works. I don't see gameworks or nvidia software as a bonus personally.

It all depends on how value the additions nvidia provides.
 

flopper

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How so?

I used both a 5870 and a 670 in 3x1200P setup. Both worked great...

Not trying to get off-topic here. Just asking.

Not enough flexibility with nvidia, If I buy a new screen I can use my amd card with the new mixed set up. So I can buy one screen not needing to buy 3 new ones.
I hope Fiji also incorperate the PLP support as that would be superb.
 

exar333

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Not enough flexibility with nvidia, If I buy a new screen I can use my amd card with the new mixed set up. So I can buy one screen not needing to buy 3 new ones.
I hope Fiji also incorperate the PLP support as that would be superb.

I did that as well.

I had a 2408, 2412 as a HP one (from work) and they worked fine. Never had to get 3 new ones.

???
 

IEC

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If I see you passing speculation off as facts one more time, you will not be posting here until after the cards are released. I will not tolerate you being here to stir up unconfirmed rumors and pass them along as being true.

If you don't have a reference, don't even post it.

-Rvenger

Thank you! It's maddening to see all these "anonymous source" rumors being passed off as true. On BOTH sides.
 

exar333

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Nvidia Surround does not support mixed resolution set ups in any way, shape or form.
http://www.eteknix.com/6400x1080-testing-mixed-resolution-amd-eyefinity/14/

I think I follow now. All of mine were 1200P...

I guess for me, mixed-resolutions are not attractive for multi-display gaming anyway. NV uses different resolutions just fine for desktop work, but thats different...

Makes sense. Its not an issue for me, but I could see how others might think differently.
 

Stuka87

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I did that as well.

I had a 2408, 2412 as a HP one (from work) and they worked fine. Never had to get 3 new ones.

???

The 2408 and 2412 are both 1200P displays.

AMD supports mixed resolution eyefinity. nVidia requires (Last I used it anyway) that all displays be the same resolution and the same orientation. AMD does not require this.
 

Pariah

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The titan X is not the original Titan and has its compute heldback compared to the previous model. The X is a gaming card not a compute card.

And with the 980TI so close in performance it has made the X pretty useless. It cannot fall back on DP compute performance as that has been stripped.

The only thing it has going for it is more Vram I believe that card has more vram than it can use in its life time.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

"Titan X, with its 12 GB of memory, is important for 4K video editing, for deep learning, and as a platform for researchers and developers (including those who are building 4K games). In other words, it's for those who need its memory."


Graphics cards have other uses besides just playing games.
 

IEC

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Straight from the horse's mouth:

"Titan X, with its 12 GB of memory, is important for 4K video editing, for deep learning, and as a platform for researchers and developers (including those who are building 4K games). In other words, it's for those who need its memory."

Graphics cards have other uses besides just playing games.

Titan X has its DP capabilities castrated compared to OG Titan. For many of those "other uses" it is nowhere near as good as even an original Titan.

Source:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/2

Extreme example:
 

blastingcap

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30% more expensive than than 980Ti? It has to outperform it by quite a bit to justify that price if true. I would say at least 15% more performance at stock and some mean OC capabilities.

The original TITAN was priced that high in part because it was a middle ground between gaming and pro graphics that needed better DP.

If Fury X has better DP than 980 Ti, that may justify a price premium and milk the "I need better DP but won't pay for a Tesla/FirePro" crowd.
 

thehotsung8701A

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My dream scenario that is not likely impossible.

AMD Fury X is 60% and AMD Fury is 30% faster than Titan X

AMD Fury X price point is $750

AMD Fury price point is $600

If this sound like trolling, it really isn't. There should be no reason why the GTX 980ti should be more than $500 just because the Titan X is an overprice piece of garbage.
 
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