AMD is not going to design a top GCN chip that doesn't include compute performance. They might disable it on the consumer parts, but the capability is going to be on the chip. It's GCN's main strength.
I don't think it will happen but compared to Hawaii AMD can save die space on memory controller because HBM, can make a bigger die, can make a denser design (if made at GF 28 nm) and can cut out DP support just like GM200. All of this gives die space and lower TDP. I'm not saying it's happening and I very much doubt it, but it doesn't seem that impossible.
But there is literally no other way to get 250W.
75W slot + 2x 6-pin = 225W
75W slot+ 1x8-pin = 225W
Slot + 1x6-pin + 1x8-pin is the only way to get 250W and it overshoots to give 300W.
The fact that Fury is 75W slot + 2x 8-pin (375W total) is indicative of the potential to use a lot of power, significantly more than the 980 Ti as the adaptors have a lot of headroom (295x2 has 2x 8 pin but uses quite a bit more power than 375W).
$600 is a pretty good price I must say. I feel bad for AMD to sell it at supposedly low margin though. Water cooling + HBM probably cost a pretty penny to use. Not sure what to think about it.
Will be interesting to see benchmarks from it and if hardwareluxx was told correct information regarding performance.
Since yields are low I guess even though only Fury X will launch, this card might get sold out quick due to low inventory so anyone looking to buy one should prep up and have the CC ready.
WOW, AMD slides really are bottom of the barrel eh?, Hunting Titans?, who made that up?, the PR guys kids?..LOL
I never keep any card less than 7 years. Hmm living in a first world using third world method. Interesting...
Bottom line is people don't mind nVidia being a terrible value. AMD's customers are different. If AMD abandons the value proposition they'll alienate their customer base.
Bottom line is people don't mind nVidia being a terrible value. AMD's customers are different. If AMD abandons the value proposition they'll alienate their customer base. The 970 and 980 ti offering good value for performance I think is directed at AMD's customers. It's too bad for them they screwed the pooch so bad with the 970 specs and memory operations. Like their other gafs though, people will justify it. :shrug:
It wasn't long ago 2x 8pin was considered an added feature. Now it's been declared as a weakness. Any of these top cards draw well more than 300w when O/C'd. A 6+8 can supply more than the pci-e spec, but 2x 8pin seems to offer better stability when really pushed.
Bottom line is people don't mind nVidia being a terrible value. AMD's customers are different. If AMD abandons the value proposition they'll alienate their customer base. The 970 and 980 ti offering good value for performance I think is directed at AMD's customers. It's too bad for them they screwed the pooch so bad with the 970 specs and memory operations. Like their other gafs though, people will justify it.
Not sure how you reason there is none who thinks that way from an AMD base.
The value has always been midrange and AMD will have that line up at superb value.
Fury X at 850us (if true) beating TitanX for 1000Us well what can I say you buy the fastest card at superb value again.
How can you say there is no value there for an AMD user when its ton of performance and value from every line up they have? How can that superb line up alinate the buyer from AMD when they have a whole range of cards to choose from at their performance price point?
None expect 200us for a Fury X ever as the fastest always carry premium.
None will be dissapointed, alinated or anything else from AMD about that ever.
seriously how do people think out there in the nvidia world?
One of the truest statements in this thread. You see this scenario played out in different industries everywhere. People are willing to pay more for brand names they trust. These reputations take years to cultivate, and once they are ingrained into the customer base, it takes a whole lot to change the perception.
In both CPU's and GPU's, AMD is perceived as a budget brand. Most of it is their own fault since they have consistently over the years tried to beat NVidia and Intel in price for the same level of performance. AMD cannot release a graphics card that is slower than NVidia's and sell it at a higher price. It will never sell, because in recent years, in practically every other aspect, it is inferior to NVidia's offerings. When performance/$ is the only thing you can compete with, you better deliver in that one area. AMD's core fanbase expects AMD to undercut NVidia, and if AMD doesn't deliver there, they will lose what little market share they have left.
I don't consider the 2 8-pin connectors a negative, but merely an indication of the power needed.
And the VERY best 980TI card?
"The EVGA GeForce GTX 980 [Ti] K|NGP|N graphics card was designed from the ground up to used by extreme overclockers to break records. The card has a monster 14+3 power phase design allowing up to 600A of current, all delivered through 3 power inputs, 8pin + 8pin + 6pin to ensure you wont run out of power."
Read more at:
http://www.legitreviews.com/evga-ge...-video-card-coming_164793#jMSc3Expt2KiHXeU.99
AMD has said so little (official) regarding metrics for Fiji, this is their most recent at Computex:
"However, AMD's Graphics CEO Joe Macri told Golem.de that Fiji graphics card should not require more energy than the Radeon R9 290X."
It continues: "In fact, it may well end up using less".
Now, unless Joe Macri is a liar, I'll give AMD the benefit and take his word that Fiji ~= R290X.
600A of current? Is that like 7200 watts?
Haha I saw that and was like wow! Power supplies are getting ridiculous!600A of current? Is that like 7200 watts?
What 3DVagabond tried to say was that Nvidia buyers are used to paying a premium for the brand to get the fastest.
AMD buyers usually go by the performance/$ metric. AMD have usually been the brand to go to for this.
If Fury X is indeed slower than GTX 980Ti while costing more or the same, things have changed and the market might react to that.
Does anyone really have total statistics for GPU cards sold that cost greater than $500? I've seen numbers running between 3-5% of total sales, but I haven't seen an official source.
You can just use steam hardware survey and see.
I read on Guru3D that this will be slower than 980ti and will have 4gb of ram and might be hot in stock form. Hopefully not true.