Vasectomy at 28: One man's decision

[scorp00]

I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Rill22

Originally posted by: Fritzo
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."

I don't understand how it's self-centered. Aren't his wants and needs the most important? Whose should he hold above his? It's his life.

I wouldn't have done it at 28, but he can do what he pleases, and /thumbsup for telling women straight out.

IMHO he is blowing a golden opportunity by being so forward. If I were in his shoes I would offer my services as a surrogate father, although with the exception that I would only be willing to help with natural conception.

You want to volunteer to have 25% of your paycheck withheld for the next 18+ years? Are you insane?

He can't get them pregnant now It would just be alot of ahem, "wasted" effort, can you understand how he might benefit from all that extra "work". BTW, surrogates are not required to pay child support.

 

[jman19]

Sounds pretty stupid to me. At least he has removed himself from the gene pool :thumbsup:

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

What if the woman decides she does not want the child, but the man does? His child is aborted and there is nothing he can do to prevent it from happening. My only qualm with abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to carry his child to term if he is willing to assume full custody and care. In that instance she should have to pay child support whether she excercises her right to be part of that childs life or not.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"

People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."

You know what rubs me the wrong way, stupid thought processes like this. How the f*ck is this guy MORE selfish than someone that had a kid? I'd say people that have a kid naturally are just as selfish. The ONLY reasons you would have a kid is because you f*cked up and got someone pregnant (meaning you are too dumb or careless), wanted a kid to carry on your "family name," or you just wanted a kid just like you wanted anything else in life. If you REALLY wanted to be UNselfish, you should be adopting. So don't give me this selfish sh!t.

The guy didn't want to ruin his life with kids, it's as simple as that. And he can ALWAYS have a kid. There are plenty kids that need a good home that are up for adoption.

And for all the people that have kids as some kind of old age insurance plolicy, don't come crying to me when the kids drop you off at the old folks home. I'll be living by myself in my sweet home with all the money I saved and invested because I DIDN'T have kids.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: jman19
Sounds pretty stupid to me. At least he has removed himself from the gene pool :thumbsup:

Unfortunately, the smart responsible people are the ones removing themselves from the gene pool and the rate of moron reproduction is sky rocketing.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

That is one that really disturbs me about many women I know. They dream of the ring, the dress, the wedding, the baby growing, the pains and wonders of giving birth, the bundle of joy, etc.

But then I ask, well, what happens AFTER that bundle of joy? What if you give birth to a "special needs" child? Do you understand the financial commitment involved and sacrifices you will have to make for 18+ years? Do you realize the constant shopping, new clothes, eating out, clubbing, concerts, exotic vacations, etc. all comes to an end so you can pay for ONE child, its education, college, etc.?

Usually their answer is silence and then, "Oh but babies are just wonderful" or even worse, "Well, I guess he doesn't love me if he won't have a child with me" and so on and so forth.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"

People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."

You know what rubs me the wrong way, stupid thought processes like this. How the f*ck is this guy MORE selfish than someone that had a kid? I'd say people that have a kid naturally are just as selfish. The ONLY reasons you would have a kid is because you f*cked up and got someone pregnant (meaning you are too dumb or careless), wanted a kid to carry on your "family name," or you just wanted a kid just like you wanted anything else in life. If you REALLY wanted to be UNselfish, you should be adopting. So don't give me this selfish sh!t.

The guy didn't want to ruin his life with kids, it's as simple as that. And he can ALWAYS have a kid. There are plenty kids that need a good home that are up for adoption.

And for all the people that have kids as some kind of old age insurance plolicy, don't come crying to me when the kids drop you off at the old folks home. I'll be living by myself in my sweet home with all the money I saved and invested because I DIDN'T have kids.

Adoption is like the hardest thing to do in the USA. Want an abortion? You can get that done in a few minutes, no problem. Want to adopt? I hear it takes years despite the number of needy children.

 

[Liviathan]

I'm 32, not married, don't have kids and I have been thinking of getting this done. I've given it a lot of thought and I know I don't want kids. There are tons of reasons, but it comes down to this, and it may sound dumb.

My family is full of health issues, cancer, Parkinson's, diabetes and liver issues. Right now I am healthy, but seeing my parents, grandparents and even my sister be sick makes me think why would I bring a kid into this world with that genetic code. Also, I believe the world is going to hell in a hand basket, and I feel like it would be a crime to bring kid into this world.

 

[OutHouse]

i had mine done at 29, but i already had two kids with one in the oven.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"

People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."

You know what rubs me the wrong way, stupid thought processes like this. How the f*ck is this guy MORE selfish than someone that had a kid? I'd say people that have a kid naturally are just as selfish. The ONLY reasons you would have a kid is because you f*cked up and got someone pregnant (meaning you are too dumb or careless), wanted a kid to carry on your "family name," or you just wanted a kid just like you wanted anything else in life. If you REALLY wanted to be UNselfish, you should be adopting. So don't give me this selfish sh!t.

The guy didn't want to ruin his life with kids, it's as simple as that. And he can ALWAYS have a kid. There are plenty kids that need a good home that are up for adoption.

And for all the people that have kids as some kind of old age insurance plolicy, don't come crying to me when the kids drop you off at the old folks home. I'll be living by myself in my sweet home with all the money I saved and invested because I DIDN'T have kids.

Adoption is like the hardest thing to do in the USA. Want an abortion? You can get that done in a few minutes, no problem. Want to adopt? I hear it takes years despite the number of needy children.

It may be hard, but who's to say the only kids that need a good home are in the US?

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Liviathan
I'm 32, not married, don't have kids and I have been thinking of getting this done. I've given it a lot of thought and I know I don't want kids. There are tons of reasons, but it comes down to this, and it may sound dumb.

My family is full of health issues, cancer, Parkinson's, diabetes and liver issues. Right now I am healthy, but seeing my parents, grandparents and even my sister be sick makes me think why would I bring a kid into this world with that genetic code. Also, I believe the world is going to hell in a hand basket, and I feel like it would be a crime to bring kid into this world.

That too.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: michaelsslave
^ you guys do realize that he can get it reversed..... anyway i think id be fun, no more accidental children!

Reversal has questionable success rate and is very $$$$ (not covered by insurance either). Yikes!

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"

People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."

You know what rubs me the wrong way, stupid thought processes like this. How the f*ck is this guy MORE selfish than someone that had a kid? I'd say people that have a kid naturally are just as selfish. The ONLY reasons you would have a kid is because you f*cked up and got someone pregnant (meaning you are too dumb or careless), wanted a kid to carry on your "family name," or you just wanted a kid just like you wanted anything else in life. If you REALLY wanted to be UNselfish, you should be adopting. So don't give me this selfish sh!t.

The guy didn't want to ruin his life with kids, it's as simple as that. And he can ALWAYS have a kid. There are plenty kids that need a good home that are up for adoption.

And for all the people that have kids as some kind of old age insurance plolicy, don't come crying to me when the kids drop you off at the old folks home. I'll be living by myself in my sweet home with all the money I saved and invested because I DIDN'T have kids.

Adoption is like the hardest thing to do in the USA. Want an abortion? You can get that done in a few minutes, no problem. Want to adopt? I hear it takes years despite the number of needy children.

It may be hard, but who's to say the only kids that need a good home are in the US?

I thought Brangelina was taking care of all the international children needing adoption, is she slacking?

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"

People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."

You know what rubs me the wrong way, stupid thought processes like this. How the f*ck is this guy MORE selfish than someone that had a kid? I'd say people that have a kid naturally are just as selfish. The ONLY reasons you would have a kid is because you f*cked up and got someone pregnant (meaning you are too dumb or careless), wanted a kid to carry on your "family name," or you just wanted a kid just like you wanted anything else in life. If you REALLY wanted to be UNselfish, you should be adopting. So don't give me this selfish sh!t.

The guy didn't want to ruin his life with kids, it's as simple as that. And he can ALWAYS have a kid. There are plenty kids that need a good home that are up for adoption.

And for all the people that have kids as some kind of old age insurance plolicy, don't come crying to me when the kids drop you off at the old folks home. I'll be living by myself in my sweet home with all the money I saved and invested because I DIDN'T have kids.

Adoption is like the hardest thing to do in the USA. Want an abortion? You can get that done in a few minutes, no problem. Want to adopt? I hear it takes years despite the number of needy children.

It may be hard, but who's to say the only kids that need a good home are in the US?

I don't think it makes a difference from where you are adopting. It is difficult, if not more so from foreign countries.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

What if the woman decides she does not want the child, but the man does? His child is aborted and there is nothing he can do to prevent it from happening. My only qualm with abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to carry his child to term if he is willing to assume full custody and care. In that instance she should have to pay child support whether she excercises her right to be part of that childs life or not.

Still waiting for the fallout from this bomb, no takers?

 

[scorp00]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

What if the woman decides she does not want the child, but the man does? His child is aborted and there is nothing he can do to prevent it from happening. My only qualm with abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to carry his child to term if he is willing to assume full custody and care. In that instance she should have to pay child support whether she excercises her right to be part of that childs life or not.

Still waiting for the fallout from this bomb, no takers?

I don't think he should be able to force her to carry to term, it's her body. I do believe that if I offer to pay for an abortion she should either have to get it or I should not have to ever pay any child support.

 

[AbAbber2k]

"[Reversal is] effective at achieving pregnancy in only 50%-70% of cases." -Wikipedia

If you have the money, there's a decent chance (better than 50%) you can have the process reversed and still have kids. As time goes on, technology will only improve and the reversal procedure will become even more effective. I see vasectomies becoming more and more popular in the future... even for guys who aren't sure they want kids or might want them later, but are damn sure they don't want them NOW.

 

[MyThirdEye]

Bad Decision, in my opinion.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I don't think it makes a difference from where you are adopting. It is difficult, if not more so from foreign countries.

It may be difficult (MAY more difficult than popping a kid out), but it's definitely doable. And would do more for the world than adding to the population.

You know, I saw the preview to that show on the Today show, and didn't think much of it. But apparently A LOT of people think it was a big deal. Maybe it's because I never want to have kids either. And I love it how people say, "oh, you'll change your mind. You're only X years old." Well they've been saying that to me for 10 years now. I was in my 20s when I knew I didn't want kids. I never could see myself being a dad although everyone else said I'd make a great dad. I'm now 35 with NO kids, and let me tell you, I LOVE IT. I actually feel superior to those that do have kids. When they give me some sob story about their kid, "Hey, I'm a single mom/dad and it's hard." I just say, "hey, you made your bed. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to pick out which plasma I need to buy so my wife and I can enjoy a nice HD movie together. Just the TWO of us."

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: scorp00

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

What if the woman decides she does not want the child, but the man does? His child is aborted and there is nothing he can do to prevent it from happening. My only qualm with abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to carry his child to term if he is willing to assume full custody and care. In that instance she should have to pay child support whether she excercises her right to be part of that childs life or not.

Still waiting for the fallout from this bomb, no takers?

I don't think he should be able to force her to carry to term, it's her body. I do believe that if I offer to pay for an abortion she should either have to get it or I should not have to ever pay any child support.

You contradicted yourself. You think you should be able to force her to have an abortion, but not carry to term, who are you to tell her what to do with "her body"? In both instances you are doing just that.

I don't buy the "its her body" arguement, it is only the vessel, it is not fundamentally and permantly damaged if she is forced to carry to term. If the man wants the child and the woman does not it should work the same as if the positions were switched, which is the protection mothers enjoy. Equal rights for both parents, not just mothers.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

What if the woman decides she does not want the child, but the man does? His child is aborted and there is nothing he can do to prevent it from happening. My only qualm with abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to carry his child to term if he is willing to assume full custody and care. In that instance she should have to pay child support whether she excercises her right to be part of that childs life or not.

Still waiting for the fallout from this bomb, no takers?

I don't think he should be able to force her to carry to term, it's her body. I do believe that if I offer to pay for an abortion she should either have to get it or I should not have to ever pay any child support.

You contradicted yourself. You think you should be able to force her to have an abortion, but not carry to term, who are you to tell her what to do with "her body"? In both instances you are doing just that.

I don't buy the "its her body" arguement, it is only the vessel, it is not fundamentally and permantly damaged if she is forced to carry to term. If the man wants the child and the woman does not it should work the same as if the positions were switched, which is the protection mothers enjoy. Equal rights for both parents, not just mothers.

i see where there is some "unfairness" felt by males in this situation, but don't even go there and try to say that the woman's body is not changed after she has given birth. there are definitely some permanent changes.

 

[scorp00]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

What if the woman decides she does not want the child, but the man does? His child is aborted and there is nothing he can do to prevent it from happening. My only qualm with abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to carry his child to term if he is willing to assume full custody and care. In that instance she should have to pay child support whether she excercises her right to be part of that childs life or not.

Still waiting for the fallout from this bomb, no takers?

I don't think he should be able to force her to carry to term, it's her body. I do believe that if I offer to pay for an abortion she should either have to get it or I should not have to ever pay any child support.

You contradicted yourself. You think you should be able to force her to have an abortion, but not carry to term, who are you to tell her what to do with "her body"? In both instances you are doing just that.

I don't buy the "its her body" arguement, it is only the vessel, it is not fundamentally and permantly damaged if she is forced to carry to term. If the man wants the child and the woman does not it should work the same as if the positions were switched, which is the protection mothers enjoy. Equal rights for both parents, not just mothers.

I should have the option to opt out of a child by providing for an abortion. If she chooses not to I shouldn't be responsible for raising/paying for the child. It's not telling her what to do, it's removing responsibility of raising a child from myself.

It does damage their body. Scars, stretch marks, sagging. I do agree with you that the man has no rights. Women can always opt out of a child, while a man never can.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.

What if the woman decides she does not want the child, but the man does? His child is aborted and there is nothing he can do to prevent it from happening. My only qualm with abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to carry his child to term if he is willing to assume full custody and care. In that instance she should have to pay child support whether she excercises her right to be part of that childs life or not.

Still waiting for the fallout from this bomb, no takers?

I don't think he should be able to force her to carry to term, it's her body. I do believe that if I offer to pay for an abortion she should either have to get it or I should not have to ever pay any child support.

You contradicted yourself. You think you should be able to force her to have an abortion, but not carry to term, who are you to tell her what to do with "her body"? In both instances you are doing just that.

I don't buy the "its her body" arguement, it is only the vessel, it is not fundamentally and permantly damaged if she is forced to carry to term. If the man wants the child and the woman does not it should work the same as if the positions were switched, which is the protection mothers enjoy. Equal rights for both parents, not just mothers.

i see where there is some "unfairness" felt by males in this situation, but don't even go there and try to say that the woman's body is not changed after she has given birth. there are definitely some permanent changes.

A woman can recover her figure with proper diet and working out, hormonal changes, not much can be done about that. My point stands, both parents should be have the right to choose, should be given the same rights and standards, and protection under the law.

 

[Rill22]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i see where there is some "unfairness" felt by males in this situation, but don't even go there and try to say that the woman's body is not changed after she has given birth. there are definitely some permanent changes.

A woman can recover her figure with proper diet and working out, hormonal changes, not much can be done about that. My point stands, both parents should be have the right to choose, should be given the same rights and standards, and protection under the law.

A woman will never be able to fully recover the same body she had before pregnancy.