Are you sure you're talking about hysterectomy (surgical removal of the uterus) and not having her tubes tied? Doctors usually only tie tubes for the purpose of birth control. A hysterectomy is a pretty dramatic step to take for that reason.
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
My sister-in-law had a hysterectomy at ~32 years old for the same reason. She's always known she didn't want to be a mother.
Women don't have a hysterectomy for the sake of birth control because they don't *want* kids. I don't know of a single doctor that would go through with it on an otherwise healthy 32 year old.
Well then you dont know *any* doctors. My ex was going to do this, but no doctors would do it until she was 30. Im sure any doctor would do this at 32. Oddly, about a year after we broke up she said that she does want kids.
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
My sister-in-law had a hysterectomy at ~32 years old for the same reason. She's always known she didn't want to be a mother.
Women don't have a hysterectomy for the sake of birth control because they don't *want* kids. I don't know of a single doctor that would go through with it on an otherwise healthy 32 year old.
Well then you dont know *any* doctors. My ex was going to do this, but no doctors would do it until she was 30. Im sure any doctor would do this at 32. Oddly, about a year after we broke up she said that she does want kids.
Are you sure you're talking about hysterectomy (surgical removal of the uterus) and not having her tubes tied? Doctors usually only tie tubes for the purpose of birth control. A hysterectomy is a pretty dramatic step to take for that reason.
Originally posted by: Fritzo
My experience:
[snip - pun intended ]
So, no, it didn't go easy for me, but at least I don't have to worry about "things" anymore
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
My sister-in-law had a hysterectomy at ~32 years old for the same reason. She's always known she didn't want to be a mother.
Women don't have a hysterectomy for the sake of birth control because they don't *want* kids. I don't know of a single doctor that would go through with it on an otherwise healthy 32 year old.
Well then you dont know *any* doctors. My ex was going to do this, but no doctors would do it until she was 30. Im sure any doctor would do this at 32. Oddly, about a year after we broke up she said that she does want kids.
Are you sure you're talking about hysterectomy (surgical removal of the uterus) and not having her tubes tied? Doctors usually only tie tubes for the purpose of birth control. A hysterectomy is a pretty dramatic step to take for that reason.
I have never heard of a surgeon doing a hysterectomy for the sake of non-health related birth control. It's usually only something done if there are ligitimate concerns of the womans health. Birth control drugs or having a tubal ligation are a much less invasive procedure and will be recommened before a hysterectomy.
Sterilization is an effect of having your uterus removed. It's not a reason for it.
RE my exposure to Doctors:
My boss is an MD
I have two PACU nurses on either side of my cube in charge of our surgery application
Across the isle from me is an ED RN
My wife has the title Dr. in front of her name and staff an ICU daily
I play basketball with surgeons, ED docs, and various other MD's of sorts on a weekly basis
Admittedly none of them are OBGY's it's not really up topic you bring up at the waterfountain, but even in their "limited" clinical experience they will tell you the same thing. It's not something they would even consider if there weren't other health issues.
Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
That's psychotic. How is he being selfish for not ejaculating into a woman and fertilizing an egg? Who exactly is he letting down by not passing on his stupid DNA?
Originally posted by: homercles337
Well then you are calling my ex and searchmaster's sis-in-law both liars. Once you talk to an obgyn then get back to me (not being curt, im genuinely curious). My ex had horrible periods, maybe thats the medical issue. I dont know, but when we were dating she was very serious about it and had definitely talked to a couple MDs about it. None would do it before her 30th birthday.
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
That's psychotic. How is he being selfish for not ejaculating into a woman and fertilizing an egg? Who exactly is he letting down by not passing on his stupid DNA?
Humanity.
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
That's psychotic. How is he being selfish for not ejaculating into a woman and fertilizing an egg? Who exactly is he letting down by not passing on his stupid DNA?
Humanity.
Humanity is an asshole. How come all of a sudden he's responsible to humanity anyway? We don't feel beholden to humanity for buying shit from Walmart, or driving our car, or laughing at Larry the Cable Guy. Yet suddenly we're supposed to feel obligated to the world to make a little copy of ourself, so he can drive a car, shop at Walmart and buy Jeff Foxworthy CD's too? For every kid that guy doesn't have, a breeder has 2.
Anyway, I notice that a lot of people knocking this guy talk about how they never wanted kids, but then they had a baby and everything changed. Not DECIDED to have a baby. HAD a baby. It's easy to rationalize parenthood after you're already stuck with it.
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
I kinda feel that way too. I think it's fine for people to do what they want eith their own bodies--but I think I saw this same guy on the Today show yesterday. He explained how he didn't want the responsibility of raising children. I got the impression that he was just a selfish little dweeb who wants to spend the rest of his life going out to clubs every damn night, without having to worry about a couple of little "money pits" back home.
It's one thing to have kids, and then not provide for them according to your means because you would rather save all the money for yourself. I would call that selfish.
However, if a couple decides never to have kids, even if their motivation is primarily financial, I don't see why they should be judged as bad for doing so. As long as they don't express negative feelings toward others with children, I don't see what the problem is. Having kids should be a personal decision, and no couple should have to feel like they are doing something wrong by deciding to never have kids.
If the guy in your example never wants to have kids so he can go out and have fun every night without the responsibility of kids, who are we to judge him for it? Again, if he had the kids first and then decided to live like that, then I would say that is a serious problem. However, if he never has kids because he does not want that responsibility, then I think that is his (and his SO's) personal decision, and they should not be looked down upon for it.
60 minutes did a show about 10 years ago about a trend of healthy young women getting hysterectomies to avoid certain cancers that there is a predisposition of in their families.Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: homercles337
Well then you are calling my ex and searchmaster's sis-in-law both liars. Once you talk to an obgyn then get back to me (not being curt, im genuinely curious). My ex had horrible periods, maybe thats the medical issue. I dont know, but when we were dating she was very serious about it and had definitely talked to a couple MDs about it. None would do it before her 30th birthday.
I can see the periods being the issue, but I must agree with the other posters. AFAIK, a doc won't perform a hysterectomy as a means of sterilization, only for other medical purposes.
I completely disagree. It's not more selfish than wanting kids and having them.Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
Originally posted by: Rastus
60 minutes did a show about 10 years ago about a trend of healthy young women getting hysterectomies to avoid certain cancers that there is a predisposition of in their families.Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: homercles337
Well then you are calling my ex and searchmaster's sis-in-law both liars. Once you talk to an obgyn then get back to me (not being curt, im genuinely curious). My ex had horrible periods, maybe thats the medical issue. I dont know, but when we were dating she was very serious about it and had definitely talked to a couple MDs about it. None would do it before her 30th birthday.
I can see the periods being the issue, but I must agree with the other posters. AFAIK, a doc won't perform a hysterectomy as a means of sterilization, only for other medical purposes.
And a person that wants to have a kid of their own instead of adopting, yeah, selfish.Originally posted by: Fritzo
You know, that's pretty much the reason we exist- to reproduce. If he didn't want to have kids because of medical or financial reasons, fine. This guy seems to have an attitude of "I like to party and have fun- I'm not letting a kid take that away from me!" So yeah- selfish.
If that's the only reason we exist, then someone stop the ride right now, I want off of it. If we can't move on to new reasons for existence, to go on to discovering new knowledge and even greater levels of happiness, then we really haven't evolved at all. If we're just meant to exist to reproduce, then our job is done; now what?Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
That's psychotic. How is he being selfish for not ejaculating into a woman and fertilizing an egg? Who exactly is he letting down by not passing on his stupid DNA?
Humanity.
Humanity is an asshole. How come all of a sudden he's responsible to humanity anyway? We don't feel beholden to humanity for buying shit from Walmart, or driving our car, or laughing at Larry the Cable Guy. Yet suddenly we're supposed to feel obligated to the world to make a little copy of ourself, so he can drive a car, shop at Walmart and buy Jeff Foxworthy CD's too? For every kid that guy doesn't have, a breeder has 2.
Anyway, I notice that a lot of people knocking this guy talk about how they never wanted kids, but then they had a baby and everything changed. Not DECIDED to have a baby. HAD a baby. It's easy to rationalize parenthood after you're already stuck with it.
You know, that's pretty much the reason we exist- to reproduce. If he didn't want to have kids because of medical or financial reasons, fine. This guy seems to have an attitude of "I like to party and have fun- I'm not letting a kid take that away from me!" So yeah- selfish.
Originally posted by: ViRGE
If that's the only reason we exist, then someone stop the ride right now, I want off of it. If we can't move on to new reasons for existence, to go on to discovering new knowledge and even greater levels of happiness, then we really haven't evolved at all. If we're just meant to exist to reproduce, then our job is done; now what?
And what exactly is wrong with his attitude? I fail to see how exactly you can infer his entire mindset from the limited article.Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
That's psychotic. How is he being selfish for not ejaculating into a woman and fertilizing an egg? Who exactly is he letting down by not passing on his stupid DNA?
Humanity.
Humanity is an asshole. How come all of a sudden he's responsible to humanity anyway? We don't feel beholden to humanity for buying shit from Walmart, or driving our car, or laughing at Larry the Cable Guy. Yet suddenly we're supposed to feel obligated to the world to make a little copy of ourself, so he can drive a car, shop at Walmart and buy Jeff Foxworthy CD's too? For every kid that guy doesn't have, a breeder has 2.
Anyway, I notice that a lot of people knocking this guy talk about how they never wanted kids, but then they had a baby and everything changed. Not DECIDED to have a baby. HAD a baby. It's easy to rationalize parenthood after you're already stuck with it.
You know, that's pretty much the reason we exist- to reproduce. If he didn't want to have kids because of medical or financial reasons, fine. This guy seems to have an attitude of "I like to party and have fun- I'm not letting a kid take that away from me!" So yeah- selfish.
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: scorp00
I want to get it done. I'm 25/single/no kids and from what i've read it is hard to find a doctor to do it on someone like me. I don't want kids ever, I don't even want to get married. Both for financial reasons. I make decent money and either one would cost me dearly. I hate how if an accident happens then the guy is totally at the will of the woman. If she want's to keep it then there goes tens of thousands in child support. Think there is any chance I can find a doctor to do it for me? Some of my friends have recently had kids, which makes me even more sure I don't want kids.
What if the woman decides she does not want the child, but the man does? His child is aborted and there is nothing he can do to prevent it from happening. My only qualm with abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to carry his child to term if he is willing to assume full custody and care. In that instance she should have to pay child support whether she excercises her right to be part of that childs life or not.
Still waiting for the fallout from this bomb, no takers?
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Fritzo
When he's alone and family-less in his 70's, I'm sure we'll hear a loud "WHAT THE F*** DID I DO THAT FOR????"
People that think like this seem to be self centered to me, and it just rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're saying "My wants and needs are the most important, and I'm not going to share my life or change my lifestyle for any reason."
That's psychotic. How is he being selfish for not ejaculating into a woman and fertilizing an egg? Who exactly is he letting down by not passing on his stupid DNA?
Humanity.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
My brother had a Vasectomy at 24 (and he was/is married). They both graduated from Evergreen and undederstand the implications of having kids. I've talked to him about his choice and he said that they would rather adopt a child if they ever felt the need to have a child.
I've never wanted to have child.
Rogo