Vast Antarctic ice shelf on verge of collapse. Latest sign of global warming?s impact shocks scientists!

[Random Variable]

It's still pretty cold at Vostosk. Tomorrow the temp is supposed to drop to -80F. And over the weekend it's supposed to drop to -90F.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Ryan
What is the harm in limiting the amount of CO2 we release into the air until we have determined our impact, or taking any measures to lessen the impact WE have on earth?

Hmm. Okay, so then what is the harm in going to church every Sunday? Will I see you there? Afterall, there's no harm in it. I'll pick you up around 9:15, k?

Ah - but the road to damnation can at least be adverted at any time in the Christian fables, but if we are indeed on the road to global warming, and are causing it, we will most not likely be afforded such an easy salvation.

But you never know when you're going to die, so, since there's no harm in it.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
the evidence is incontrovertible. any doubters can simply look at google images -> carbon dioxide per year

http://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.u...houghton/lecture2.html

Yeah, but the carbon dioxide is coming from an overpopulation of ground squirrels in Asia. So to correct this all we have to do is go kill all the squirrels.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Random Variable
It's still pretty cold at Vostosk. Tomorrow the temp is supposed to drop to -80F. And over the weekend it's supposed to drop to -90F.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html

Obviously, other factors like the ozone hole depletion over the arctic is effecting this melting, as well.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Random Variable
It's still pretty cold at Vostosk. Tomorrow the temp is supposed to drop to -80F. And over the weekend it's supposed to drop to -90F.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html

Obviously, other factors like the ozone hole depletion over the arctic is effecting this melting, as well.

So many things are wrong with this post that I don't know where to begin.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: bignateyk
The best thing about all these global warming nuts is that they pray to god that something like this happens every day just so they can say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO". I don't think any of them actually care (or know much of anything) about history and the environment.

Wonderful leap of faith you have made - at the very least, I appreciate that you have demonstrated to the flock that you're about as informed as a Lima bean on this topic.

Not to pick a side, but the vast majority of the mountain of evidence still points in the same direction....

well you've convinced me! where do i sign?!

I just don't understand where the foundation of the "global warming is not man made/occurring" argument comes from. I see people arguing about the scientific method, and have found that some schism happens when people discover that the information in science is indeed fluid, and subject to change. Global warming, like weather, is just too complex of a system for us to predict with 100% accuracy, or even fully understand at this point - too many billions of changing parameters/measurements to take into account. We can piece together what information we do have - and it points in the direction that the Earth is indeed warning up, we just need to know the extent we have caused. What is the harm in limiting the amount of CO2 we release into the air until we have determined our impact, or taking any measures to lessen the impact WE have on earth?

Maybe it's because your own post states it is subject to change and too complex to predict. You have no proof one way or the other. Just your belief that we humans are destroying this planet faster than it destroys itself on it's own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-twentieth century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations"[1] via the greenhouse effect. Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.[2][3] These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least thirty scientific societies and academies of science,[4] including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.[5][6][7] While individual scientists have voiced disagreement with some findings of the IPCC,[8] the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC's main conclusions.[9][10]

the ipcc is mostly about justifying its own existence.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
the evidence is incontrovertible. any doubters can simply look at google images -> carbon dioxide per year

http://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.u...houghton/lecture2.html

Nothing is "incontrovertible"

lol, I love those graphs. "Hey, lets take measurements from two different places at two different times and extrapolate results!"

What bullshit science is that?

Most non-biased measurements, such as NASA's own satellites, have shown that there isn't as big of a trend as people would make you think.

MMGW is a fearmongering jokes played upon society. That isn't to say I think that pollution is good, you don't crap where you eat.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Random Variable
It's still pretty cold at Vostosk. Tomorrow the temp is supposed to drop to -80F. And over the weekend it's supposed to drop to -90F.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html

Obviously, other factors like the ozone hole depletion over the arctic is effecting this melting, as well.

So many things are wrong with this post that I don't know where to begin.

Let's start with the minute you were conceived ...

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfro.../2008/02/19/73798.html

Also, the North Pole cant turn into a desert, its all Ice.

Ok, good point. That leaves the south pole, then.

And also, its already a desert. A frozen desert.

No, you are confusing this with a frozen DESSERT. Nice try, though.

Actually you are wrong

pwned?

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Random Variable
It's still pretty cold at Vostosk. Tomorrow the temp is supposed to drop to -80F. And over the weekend it's supposed to drop to -90F.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html

Obviously, other factors like the ozone hole depletion over the arctic is effecting this melting, as well.

So many things are wrong with this post that I don't know where to begin.

Let's start with the minute you were conceived ...

Ummm, what exactly is that supposed to mean?

If you are suggesting that I began at the minute I was conceived, then I'm inclined to agree with you, although some pro-choice people may choose to differ.

 

[imported_Baloo]

Change is not a bad thing. All these doom sayers going on about global warming going to end life on earth is getting ridiculous. Nature always achieves a balance. Any warming trend is only going to be temporary, as has already been pointed out. Any stress on animal populations will only be temporary. Human are adaptable and can live in just about every environment that exists on this planet, global warming does not threaten to remove any of those envirionments, just shift them around some. Not to mention the earth has been warming for 10,000 years( with occasional cooling fluctuations), yet humans and animals are still here. The doomsayers will always be a part of life. It's a fact that throughout human history, there's always been someone or someones predicting the end of the world, grasping at whatever straws are in their reach as proof of impending doom. Yet, the doom never comes. Nothing new here, move along.

Edit: anybody notice that ice shelf breaking up had no impact on sea level. Ice that already displaces water does not displace more floating freely than floating, but not floating freely.

 

[everman]

Quick, buy some carbon credits!

 

[legoman666]

obligatory correlation != causation

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Baloo
Change is not a bad thing. All these doom sayers going on about global warming going to end life on earth is getting ridiculous. Nature always achieves a balance. Any warming trend is only going to be temporary, as has already been pointed out. Any stress on animal populations will only be temporary. Human are adaptable and can live in just about every environment that exists on this planet, global warming does not threaten to remove any of those envirionments, just shift them around some. Not to mention the earth has been warming for 10,000 years( with occasional cooling fluctuations), yet humans and animals are still here. The doomsayers will always be a part of life. It's a fact that throughout human history, there's always been someone or someones predicting the end of the world, grasping at whatever straws are in their reach as proof of impending doom. Yet, the doom never comes. Nothing new here, move along.

Edit: anybody notice that ice shelf breaking up had no impact on sea level. Ice that already displaces water does not displace more floating freely than floating, but not floating freely.

I think you're reaching if you think most MMGW supporters think the world's going to end. I'm sure humanity would continue if we nuked the fuck out of each other, it's just not a reality that I would not want to subject you, or anyone else to a planet in that condition. The reality is, if we are indeed playing a LARGE role in GW, there are serious consequences for future generations for them.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Random Variable
It's still pretty cold at Vostosk. Tomorrow the temp is supposed to drop to -80F. And over the weekend it's supposed to drop to -90F.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html

Obviously, other factors like the ozone hole depletion over the arctic is effecting this melting, as well.

So many things are wrong with this post that I don't know where to begin.

Let's start with the minute you were conceived ...

Ozone lets through UV radiation, which is dangerous to DNA. That's why it's a concern.
I don't think that this little bit of extra non-infrared-range energy is going to increase the temperatures significantly though. Hence that "so many things wrong with this post" comment.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Ryan
The reality is, if we are indeed playing a LARGE role in GW, there are serious consequences for future generations for them.

Wow, this is interesting. So the condition of the world we leave future generations is exactly how major a concern? Are there other things we should also be focussing on besides carbon dioxide emissions? How about the preservation of family values? We don't, afterall, want our society to decay and crumble under a breakdown of morality. The erradication of all STDs by waiting to have sex till you're married and staying monogomous?

Damn, Ryan, you're becoming more and more a fundamentalist as this thread gets longer. Right on, bro!

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: bignateyk
The best thing about all these global warming nuts is that they pray to god that something like this happens every day just so they can say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO". I don't think any of them actually care (or know much of anything) about history and the environment.

Wonderful leap of faith you have made - at the very least, I appreciate that you have demonstrated to the flock that you're about as informed as a Lima bean on this topic.

Not to pick a side, but the vast majority of the mountain of evidence still points in the same direction....

well you've convinced me! where do i sign?!

I just don't understand where the foundation of the "global warming is not man made/occurring" argument comes from. I see people arguing about the scientific method, and have found that some schism happens when people discover that the information in science is indeed fluid, and subject to change. Global warming, like weather, is just too complex of a system for us to predict with 100% accuracy, or even fully understand at this point - too many billions of changing parameters/measurements to take into account. We can piece together what information we do have - and it points in the direction that the Earth is indeed warning up, we just need to know the extent we have caused. What is the harm in limiting the amount of CO2 we release into the air until we have determined our impact, or taking any measures to lessen the impact WE have on earth?

Maybe it's because your own post states it is subject to change and too complex to predict. You have no proof one way or the other. Just your belief that we humans are destroying this planet faster than it destroys itself on it's own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-twentieth century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations"[1] via the greenhouse effect. Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.[2][3] These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least thirty scientific societies and academies of science,[4] including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.[5][6][7] While individual scientists have voiced disagreement with some findings of the IPCC,[8] the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC's main conclusions.[9][10]

the ipcc is mostly about justifying its own existence.

And "very likely" doesn't mean it is.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: Testify
When ice melts it turns into water.

when ice melts, it turns into very cold water

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: Testify
When ice melts it turns into water.

when ice melts, it turns into very cold water

Which we drink.

 

[judasmachine]

I find the rush on both sides kind of dumb. So what if people lie to make a profit, it's not like those with the profit now didn't lie to get where they are today. It's been that way for a long time, and will continue to be that way until we really are wiped from existence. I do not see a problem however with trying to keep the earth clean of harmful chemicals, I live here, and it's where I keep all my stuff.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: Testify
When ice melts it turns into water.

when ice melts, it turns into very cold water

Which we drink.

Or pour it on women wearing thin, white T-shirts.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Ryan
The reality is, if we are indeed playing a LARGE role in GW, there are serious consequences for future generations for them.

Wow, this is interesting. So the condition of the world we leave future generations is exactly how major a concern? Are there other things we should also be focussing on besides carbon dioxide emissions? How about the preservation of family values? We don't, afterall, want our society to decay and crumble under a breakdown of morality. The erradication of all STDs by waiting to have sex till you're married and staying monogomous?

Damn, Ryan, you're becoming more and more a fundamentalist as this thread gets longer. Right on, bro!

No, it's been a concern for a while. And you're the only one sounding like a fundamentalist.

 

[grohl]

Who cares? Not me.

 

[mh47g]

Maybe next year I won't have to drive so far to the shore...

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: mh47g
Maybe next year I won't have to drive so far to the shore...

In Soviet Russia, shore visits you!


In Soviet Russia, old jokes hate you!