Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: thecrecarc
Its called Spring breakup... happens every year.
No, it doesn't.
The Wilkins Ice Shelf was stable for most of the last century until it began retreating in the 1990s. A previous major breakout occurred there in 1998 when 390 square miles of ice was lost in just a few months.
"We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing it to break up," Scambos said.
I don't know how thecrecarc's post lasted this long without this being pointed out: It's friggin FALL not Spring. The Antarctic is in the SOUTHERN Hemisphere.
Mid-to-late summer actually while the ice was breaking. Autumn just began.
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfro.../2008/02/19/73798.html
Also, the North Pole cant turn into a desert, its all Ice.
And also, its already a desert. A frozen desert.
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfro.../2008/02/19/73798.html
Also, the North Pole cant turn into a desert, its all Ice.
Ok, good point. That leaves the south pole, then.
And also, its already a desert. A frozen desert.
No, you are confusing this with a frozen DESSERT. Nice try, though.
Actually you are wrong
Oh, am I, Disgruntled? DESSERT
Unless you meant this part from your linkwhich is then confusing at best. How can a desert have frozen water in it? Go figure.Antarctica ? the interior of the continent is the world's largest desert, freezing cold weather/south pole/snowy mountains
You are incorrect, he used "desert" not "dessert". He states "And also, its already a DESERT. A frozen desert.", which is a correct statement which per wikipedia desert means landscape form or region that receives very little precipitation. That means you can have a hot desert (the Sahara) or a frozen desert (Antarctica) as long as it does not receive 10+ inches of precipitation. Also per wikipedia on Antarctica the second paragraph states:
On average, Antarctica is the coldest, driest and windiest continent, and has the highest average elevation of all the continents.[1] Since there is little precipitation, except at the coasts, the interior of the continent is technically the largest desert in the world.
So we have established that Antarctica is a desert. We also have established that he did not say "dessert" meaning the after dinner snack, and in fact said "desert" meaning the low rainfall places I believe you sir have been served.
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfro.../2008/02/19/73798.html
Also, the North Pole cant turn into a desert, its all Ice.
Ok, good point. That leaves the south pole, then.
And also, its already a desert. A frozen desert.
No, you are confusing this with a frozen DESSERT. Nice try, though.
Actually you are wrong
Oh, am I, Disgruntled? DESSERT
Unless you meant this part from your linkwhich is then confusing at best. How can a desert have frozen water in it? Go figure.Antarctica ? the interior of the continent is the world's largest desert, freezing cold weather/south pole/snowy mountains
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
This stuff is so stupid.
To investigate they do a bunch of fly-by's in a plane....whose exhaust produces greenhouse gasses....which (based on their science) contributes to "global warming".
I really find it hard to believe that anything man does or does not do has any impact on the life-cycle of a planet. The planet is going to do what it's going to do. We're just along for the ride.
And you base this opinion on what research exactly? Oh, you haven't done any? Oh, well, we'll just take your word for it then...:roll:
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: funboy42
This morning I had bad gas, some farts were like 3-5 seconds long, and about 5-6 in repeated succession.
That is my contribution to the effects of global warming. People and cows fart out more CO2 gas then all other methods of CO2 producing machinery and factories in the entire world.
If anything we, and the animals we eat, are the main source for global warming, if there was really such a thing. Its just a way to get the sheeple to panic, to allow governments take more freedoms away, and get more from us in taxes for the study of something that always happens, all the time.
methane (what is expelled by animals) does not equal CO2... although it does contribute to the greenhouse gas effect iirc.
Regardless, show me some proof animals let out more gas than all the factories of the world over. Do you know how much CO2 is emitted when coal is burned? Considering it is pure carbon material ignited. They also fart methane, which is touted to be "5 times more effective in trapping heat than co2" Paraphrased, but you get the point
And even if that is true, which I admit may be a possibility, the Earth has the ability to absorb a good amount of that, either directly maintaining a certain amount in the atmosphere or absorbed by plant life. Plant life is the key. Humans are screwing the whole balance up, because we are both removing a large source of CO2 consumption (through deforestation), and greatly upping the amount of CO2 produced in the atmosphere, thus screwing up the atmospheres amount.
How anyone, at this point in time, can STILL deny - with the amount of evidence that has been presented - Global Climate Change is a real problem that is going to fuck up life as we know it... it just shocks me. I'm no hippie and actually want a gas-burning muscle car (just for the muscle, how it gets that muscle I don't care... if they become electric with immense amounts of power, cool!), so I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but at least I acknowledge the matter. And I do agree we need to strive for alternative energy and will adopt solar if it becomes cheap and viable enough to replace power from the electric grid, or enough to get the electric company to pay me.
But no matter the predicted climates, I don't want the world to flood and don't want to live in an extremely hot or cold climate, or one with extreme weather patterns. All of which are basically guaranteed if we do nothing and just attempt to ride it out. And that's just the 'good' prediction. Who knows if the ice age predictions will actually hold true for some regions. It may, or may not. But weather won't be so nice.
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World won't flood. Not enough water to do that. Stop reading the story of Noah's ark. Fine, water levels go up a few feet, say bye bye to those rich peoples houses on the water edge, which has been derioating anyway because of development. Get those rich people out of there
There are more animals than factories. Have you ever been around a cow that was farting? Its a bomb, then couple that with thousands of cows on farms, and you have a Nuke brewing in there.
Actually, it balances itself out. With More co2 in the air, there is more plant growth, which balances out the co2. Also lots of deforestation also occurs in places where they replant the trees. This takes co2 out of the air too.(Not applying this to all places, just many).
I still can't see how 2 degrees is going to change life as we know it. Animal life will adapt. Plant Life Will. And also, electric cars depend on the very factories you are trying to get rid of. You will need a state full of solar panels in order to fill energy needs. Truthfully, I think that even Nuclear Energy will be limited for about a century before uranium runs out. Then with Nucelar Fusion, someone will bitch about how we are using water to fuel our reactors. (Deuterium, tritium.. I know. Not exactly water, but close enough).
I'm fine with reduction of pollution, its bad for our health, and its looks bad. But we can't all assume doomsday scenarios.
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfro.../2008/02/19/73798.html
Also, the North Pole cant turn into a desert, its all Ice.
Ok, good point. That leaves the south pole, then.
And also, its already a desert. A frozen desert.
No, you are confusing this with a frozen DESSERT. Nice try, though.
Actually you are wrong
pwned?
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: thecrecarc
Its called Spring breakup... happens every year.
No, it doesn't.
The Wilkins Ice Shelf was stable for most of the last century until it began retreating in the 1990s. A previous major breakout occurred there in 1998 when 390 square miles of ice was lost in just a few months.
"We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing it to break up," Scambos said.
The high-profile collapse of some Antarctica's ice shelves is likely the result of natural current fluctuations, not global warming, says a leading British expert on polar climates.
This surprising finding is supported by analysis of data from the European Space Agency's ERS-1 satellite, according to Duncan Wingham, Professor of Climate Physics at University College London. The data, measuring changes in ice thickness across the Antarctic ice sheet using the polar orbiting satellite, show areas of growth from snowfall are as common as areas of decline.
This is a contrasting picture to one based solely on the northern Antarctic Peninsula - a shark's fin of land jutting out from the body of the continent, and reaching to just 750 miles from Chile - where there has been a drastic increase in temperature, thinning of ice sheets and collapse of ice shelves. The Larsen A ice shelf, 1600 square kilometres in size, fell off in 1995. The Wilkins ice shelf, 1100 square kilometres, fell off in 1998 and the Larsen B, 13,500 square kilometres, dropped off in 2002. Meanwhile, the northern Antarctic Peninsula's temperatures have soared by six celsius in the last 50 years.
"A lot of attention and research has focused on this relatively accessible area of the Antarctic Peninsula, but satellites are giving us a picture of the continent as a whole," Wingham told the Register. This broader picture shows evidence of growth and decay from place to place, a picture more in line with natural variations in snowfall and ocean circulation. The Antarctic is to some extent insulated from global warming because to its north are zonal flows in the atmosphere and ocean, unimpeded by other landmasses. This insulates the continent from warmer events further north and leads one to suppose it is better protected from global warming.
"Taken as a whole, Antarctica is so cold that our present efforts to raise its temperature might be regarded as fairly puny. Change is undoubtedly occurring: in the collapse of the northerly Peninsula ice shelves, and elsewhere in the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, where the circumpolar current appears to reached the ice edge and is eating away drastically at the ice shelves. One cannot be certain, because packets of heat in the atmosphere do not come conveniently labelled 'the contribution of anthropogenic warming'.
"But the warming of the Peninsula has been going on for a considerable time, and the pattern of regional change is variable, and neither of these is favorable to the notion we are seeing the results of global warming".
At the US station at the South Pole, temperatures have in fact fallen by a degree since 1957. "The Antarctic Peninsula is exceptional because it juts out so far north," Wingham explained.
The professor continued: "I am not denying global warming. For instance, Greenland, in the northern hemisphere, does seem to be going. But Greenland's ice cap - Greeland is quite far south - is a last survivor from the ice age and only its height protects it. The more that cap melts, the more it will continue to melt as it gets lower and warmer. But Antarctica is different. Even in the Arctic I am sceptical of some claims that 40 per cent of the sea ice has already vanished, and that what remains is drastically thinning.
"Sparse data from subs in some parts of the Arctic do seem to show a thinning trend, but our preliminary observations using satellite data point to large growth and decay from year to year and place to place, by as much a meter in just a few years. Here too natural variability is considerable. No one doubts that the ultimate fate of Arctic ice looks a grim one, but I believe we have too few data to be confident of how fast it will meet its fate."
Prof Wingham, who is the Director of the UK's National Environmental Research Council's Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling, spoke to us after a European Union Space Conference in Brussels. He attended in his capacity as the Project Scientist of the European Space Agency's 130M euro "Cryosat" satellite mission, to be launched later this year and dedicated to spotting climate change in the polar zones.
Earlier media reports after a conference on climate change in Exeter suggested it was "unclear" whether the collapse in the Antarctic ice shelves was due to global warming or not. Although the melt and collapse of the ice shelves does not raise sea levels initially, there is fear these shelves act as corks whose disappearance could lead to an outflow from landbased glaciers - which would increase sea levels.
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
All Global Warming Jokers Please Respond!
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
All Global Warming Jokers Please Respond!
With pleasure. The biggest problem I have with global warming is the name. Warming. It sounds too soothing. Today's been pretty harsh and miserable; tonight, I'll go home to my warm house, wrap myself in a warm sweater and a warm blanket, lie down in my warm bed in front of a warm fire with a warm mug of cocoa and be at peace. Global warming sounds too nice. They should have called it something like "Catastrophic global thunder fuck AHHHH!" That's an attention grabber. "The sun is going to fuck us to death with its fiery cock of death! The ozone layer is the condom that protects us from solar AIDS!" I know that ozone depletion isn't related to global warming, but hey, kill two birds with one stone, you know?
But the thing that struck me the other day about global warming was thinking about history. What happened the last time the Earth was this hot? Dinosaurs were out roaming around. The coolest fucking animals that have ever lived. And I'm including humans in that calculation. You can keep your humans, your chimps, your puppies... even those shrimp that mimic a gun shot are nowhere near as cool as dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were giant fucking dragons, running around, breathing fire (you don't know they didn't), and basically kicking the shit out of everything in their way for 150 million goddamn years. They had razor sharp teeth over a foot long. They had giant retractable claws on their feet. They were bigger than houses, which wasn't hard at the time since houses hadn't been invented yet (similar to how I am bigger than Al Sharpton as he is but a figment of my imagination... I hope). There were dinosaurs that could fly, dinosaurs that could swim, even dinosaurs that could mosey (which is difficult to do without beltloops and thumbs)... They ruled land, air and sea for just fucking ever (you can't even conceive of 150 million years).
So I'm thinking global warming is probably the key to bringing the dinosaurs back. The world was not prepared for their sheer awesomeness back then. Now we have pirates and ninjas and Chuck Norris; dinosaurs are still cooler, but we're making headway. If all it takes is a few degrees to bring back the ass-kickingest animals of all time, then fuck it, I'm going home tonight and burning some old tires. The hippies can complain all they want; when I go riding through town on my fire-breathing T-Rex, it won't matter for nothing.
Originally posted by: Queasy
Global Warming Cleared on Ice Shelf Rap
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Queasy
Global Warming Cleared on Ice Shelf Rap
Haha, looks like this whole thread has been pwned.
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
All Global Warming Jokers Please Respond!
With pleasure. The biggest problem I have with global warming is the name. Warming. It sounds too soothing. Today's been pretty harsh and miserable; tonight, I'll go home to my warm house, wrap myself in a warm sweater and a warm blanket, lie down in my warm bed in front of a warm fire with a warm mug of cocoa and be at peace. Global warming sounds too nice. They should have called it something like "Catastrophic global thunder fuck AHHHH!" That's an attention grabber. "The sun is going to fuck us to death with its fiery cock of death! The ozone layer is the condom that protects us from solar AIDS!" I know that ozone depletion isn't related to global warming, but hey, kill two birds with one stone, you know?
But the thing that struck me the other day about global warming was thinking about history. What happened the last time the Earth was this hot? Dinosaurs were out roaming around. The coolest fucking animals that have ever lived. And I'm including humans in that calculation. You can keep your humans, your chimps, your puppies... even those shrimp that mimic a gun shot are nowhere near as cool as dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were giant fucking dragons, running around, breathing fire (you don't know they didn't), and basically kicking the shit out of everything in their way for 150 million goddamn years. They had razor sharp teeth over a foot long. They had giant retractable claws on their feet. They were bigger than houses, which wasn't hard at the time since houses hadn't been invented yet (similar to how I am bigger than Al Sharpton as he is but a figment of my imagination... I hope). There were dinosaurs that could fly, dinosaurs that could swim, even dinosaurs that could mosey (which is difficult to do without beltloops and thumbs)... They ruled land, air and sea for just fucking ever (you can't even conceive of 150 million years).
So I'm thinking global warming is probably the key to bringing the dinosaurs back. The world was not prepared for their sheer awesomeness back then. Now we have pirates and ninjas and Chuck Norris; dinosaurs are still cooler, but we're making headway. If all it takes is a few degrees to bring back the ass-kickingest animals of all time, then fuck it, I'm going home tonight and burning some old tires. The hippies can complain all they want; when I go riding through town on my fire-breathing T-Rex, it won't matter for nothing.
OMG! One scientist said something!Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Queasy
Global Warming Cleared on Ice Shelf Rap
Haha, looks like this whole thread has been pwned.
The professor continued: "I am not denying global warming. For instance, Greenland, in the northern hemisphere, does seem to be going. But Greenland's ice cap - Greeland is quite far south - is a last survivor from the ice age and only its height protects it. The more that cap melts, the more it will continue to melt as it gets lower and warmer. But Antarctica is different. Even in the Arctic I am sceptical of some claims that 40 per cent of the sea ice has already vanished, and that what remains is drastically thinning.
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
All Global Warming Jokers Please Respond!
With pleasure. The biggest problem I have with global warming is the name. Warming. It sounds too soothing. Today's been pretty harsh and miserable; tonight, I'll go home to my warm house, wrap myself in a warm sweater and a warm blanket, lie down in my warm bed in front of a warm fire with a warm mug of cocoa and be at peace. Global warming sounds too nice. They should have called it something like "Catastrophic global thunder fuck AHHHH!" That's an attention grabber. "The sun is going to fuck us to death with its fiery cock of death! The ozone layer is the condom that protects us from solar AIDS!" I know that ozone depletion isn't related to global warming, but hey, kill two birds with one stone, you know?
But the thing that struck me the other day about global warming was thinking about history. What happened the last time the Earth was this hot? Dinosaurs were out roaming around. The coolest fucking animals that have ever lived. And I'm including humans in that calculation. You can keep your humans, your chimps, your puppies... even those shrimp that mimic a gun shot are nowhere near as cool as dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were giant fucking dragons, running around, breathing fire (you don't know they didn't), and basically kicking the shit out of everything in their way for 150 million goddamn years. They had razor sharp teeth over a foot long. They had giant retractable claws on their feet. They were bigger than houses, which wasn't hard at the time since houses hadn't been invented yet (similar to how I am bigger than Al Sharpton as he is but a figment of my imagination... I hope). There were dinosaurs that could fly, dinosaurs that could swim, even dinosaurs that could mosey (which is difficult to do without beltloops and thumbs)... They ruled land, air and sea for just fucking ever (you can't even conceive of 150 million years).
So I'm thinking global warming is probably the key to bringing the dinosaurs back. The world was not prepared for their sheer awesomeness back then. Now we have pirates and ninjas and Chuck Norris; dinosaurs are still cooler, but we're making headway. If all it takes is a few degrees to bring back the ass-kickingest animals of all time, then fuck it, I'm going home tonight and burning some old tires. The hippies can complain all they want; when I go riding through town on my fire-breathing T-Rex, it won't matter for nothing.
:thumbsup::laugh::thumbsup:
For some reason as I read this I heard George Carlin speaking this monologue in my brain.
Fess up, George! :beer:
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Vast Antarctic ice shelf on verge of collapse
I think once the poles turn into deserts these global warming nay sayers will finally shut up.
Originally posted by: Oceandevi
If it thaws out we could colonize it. Might be a nice place.