Vast Antarctic ice shelf on verge of collapse. Latest sign of global warming?s impact shocks scientists!

[funboy6942]

This morning I had bad gas, some farts were like 3-5 seconds long, and about 5-6 in repeated succession.

That is my contribution to the effects of global warming. People and cows fart out more CO2 gas then all other methods of CO2 producing machinery and factories in the entire world.

If anything we, and the animals we eat, are the main source for global warming, if there was really such a thing. Its just a way to get the sheeple to panic, to allow governments take more freedoms away, and get more from us in taxes for the study of something that always happens, all the time.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: mh47g
Maybe next year I won't have to drive so far to the shore...

In Soviet Russia, shore visits you!


In Soviet Russia, old jokes hate you!

Whats funny though, is that the shore might just be visiting some who never thought they'd have coastal property. :laugh:

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[SampSon]

Quick, everyone panic!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
Its called Spring breakup... happens every year.

No, it doesn't.

The Wilkins Ice Shelf was stable for most of the last century until it began retreating in the 1990s. A previous major breakout occurred there in 1998 when 390 square miles of ice was lost in just a few months.

"We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing it to break up," Scambos said.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Ozone lets through UV radiation, which is dangerous to DNA. That's why it's a concern.
I don't think that this little bit of extra non-infrared-range energy is going to increase the temperatures significantly though. Hence that "so many things wrong with this post" comment.

:thumbsup:

I was just too lazy to try to explain...

Oh, and I'm kind of a jerk.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
This stuff is so stupid.

To investigate they do a bunch of fly-by's in a plane....whose exhaust produces greenhouse gasses....which (based on their science) contributes to "global warming".

I really find it hard to believe that anything man does or does not do has any impact on the life-cycle of a planet. The planet is going to do what it's going to do. We're just along for the ride.

And you base this opinion on what research exactly? Oh, you haven't done any? Oh, well, we'll just take your word for it then...:roll:

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: grohl
Who cares? Not me.

:thumbsup:

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Dinosaurs lived just fine with 5x the CO2 levels and no perennial ice at the poles

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: funboy42
This morning I had bad gas, some farts were like 3-5 seconds long, and about 5-6 in repeated succession.

That is my contribution to the effects of global warming. People and cows fart out more CO2 gas then all other methods of CO2 producing machinery and factories in the entire world.

If anything we, and the animals we eat, are the main source for global warming, if there was really such a thing. Its just a way to get the sheeple to panic, to allow governments take more freedoms away, and get more from us in taxes for the study of something that always happens, all the time.

methane (what is expelled by animals) does not equal CO2... although it does contribute to the greenhouse gas effect iirc.

Regardless, show me some proof animals let out more gas than all the factories of the world over. Do you know how much CO2 is emitted when coal is burned? Considering it is pure carbon material ignited.

And even if that is true, which I admit may be a possibility, the Earth has the ability to absorb a good amount of that, either directly maintaining a certain amount in the atmosphere or absorbed by plant life. Plant life is the key. Humans are screwing the whole balance up, because we are both removing a large source of CO2 consumption (through deforestation), and greatly upping the amount of CO2 produced in the atmosphere, thus screwing up the atmospheres amount.

How anyone, at this point in time, can STILL deny - with the amount of evidence that has been presented - Global Climate Change is a real problem that is going to fuck up life as we know it... it just shocks me. I'm no hippie and actually want a gas-burning muscle car (just for the muscle, how it gets that muscle I don't care... if they become electric with immense amounts of power, cool!), so I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but at least I acknowledge the matter. And I do agree we need to strive for alternative energy and will adopt solar if it becomes cheap and viable enough to replace power from the electric grid, or enough to get the electric company to pay me.
But no matter the predicted climates, I don't want the world to flood and don't want to live in an extremely hot or cold climate, or one with extreme weather patterns. All of which are basically guaranteed if we do nothing and just attempt to ride it out. And that's just the 'good' prediction. Who knows if the ice age predictions will actually hold true for some regions. It may, or may not. But weather won't be so nice.

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[Enig101]

I hate idiots.

I don't think any legitimate climate researchers want anyone to panic. However, it is a real problem and, sorry, but whether you like it or not, it needs to be addressed. It's not something we can just ignore. Making jokes about it and "not believing" that it could happen amount to wishful thinking. Not very helpful, and one could even say rather arrogant or foolish. You can pass it off as "doomsaying", but the people who actually know what the hell they are talking about (i.e. not you) are trying to prevent severe problems from arising before it is too late.

Also, the people who will be most affected are not us rich people (by that I mean just about anyone with internet access). This is going to affect the world's poor, due to the effect on crops and wildlife. There's no need to panic or worry about "doom". We just need to be more conscious of our rapidly growing impact on the environment.

Edit: To add, of course there are normal fluctuations in surface temperature, but if you are smart enough to read a chart, the difference here should be obvious. Hint: the fact that the trend begins with the industrial revolution is not a coincidence.

http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/gr...001syr/large/05.24.jpg

 

[IL2SturmovikPilot]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: Testify
When ice melts it turns into water.

This and thousands of other fascinating facts can be yours for the amazing price of $99.99 - call now to order your 26 volume collection!

Do you take Mastercard?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Dinosaurs lived just fine with 5x the CO2 levels and no perennial ice at the poles

And they'd probably not survive right now, either. Too cold a lot of places, and the oxygen content is too low. Not to mention there'd be a good bit of hostility from humans.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: funboy42
This morning I had bad gas, some farts were like 3-5 seconds long, and about 5-6 in repeated succession.

That is my contribution to the effects of global warming. People and cows fart out more CO2 gas then all other methods of CO2 producing machinery and factories in the entire world.

If anything we, and the animals we eat, are the main source for global warming, if there was really such a thing. Its just a way to get the sheeple to panic, to allow governments take more freedoms away, and get more from us in taxes for the study of something that always happens, all the time.

methane (what is expelled by animals) does not equal CO2... although it does contribute to the greenhouse gas effect iirc.

Regardless, show me some proof animals let out more gas than all the factories of the world over. Do you know how much CO2 is emitted when coal is burned? Considering it is pure carbon material ignited. They also fart methane, which is touted to be "5 times more effective in trapping heat than co2" Paraphrased, but you get the point

And even if that is true, which I admit may be a possibility, the Earth has the ability to absorb a good amount of that, either directly maintaining a certain amount in the atmosphere or absorbed by plant life. Plant life is the key. Humans are screwing the whole balance up, because we are both removing a large source of CO2 consumption (through deforestation), and greatly upping the amount of CO2 produced in the atmosphere, thus screwing up the atmospheres amount.

How anyone, at this point in time, can STILL deny - with the amount of evidence that has been presented - Global Climate Change is a real problem that is going to fuck up life as we know it... it just shocks me. I'm no hippie and actually want a gas-burning muscle car (just for the muscle, how it gets that muscle I don't care... if they become electric with immense amounts of power, cool!), so I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but at least I acknowledge the matter. And I do agree we need to strive for alternative energy and will adopt solar if it becomes cheap and viable enough to replace power from the electric grid, or enough to get the electric company to pay me.
But no matter the predicted climates, I don't want the world to flood and don't want to live in an extremely hot or cold climate, or one with extreme weather patterns. All of which are basically guaranteed if we do nothing and just attempt to ride it out. And that's just the 'good' prediction. Who knows if the ice age predictions will actually hold true for some regions. It may, or may not. But weather won't be so nice.

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World won't flood. Not enough water to do that. Stop reading the story of Noah's ark. Fine, water levels go up a few feet, say bye bye to those rich peoples houses on the water edge, which has been derioating anyway because of development. Get those rich people out of there

There are more animals than factories. Have you ever been around a cow that was farting? Its a bomb, then couple that with thousands of cows on farms, and you have a Nuke brewing in there.

Actually, it balances itself out. With More co2 in the air, there is more plant growth, which balances out the co2. Also lots of deforestation also occurs in places where they replant the trees. This takes co2 out of the air too.(Not applying this to all places, just many).

I still can't see how 2 degrees is going to change life as we know it. Animal life will adapt. Plant Life Will. And also, electric cars depend on the very factories you are trying to get rid of. You will need a state full of solar panels in order to fill energy needs. Truthfully, I think that even Nuclear Energy will be limited for about a century before uranium runs out. Then with Nucelar Fusion, someone will bitch about how we are using water to fuel our reactors. (Deuterium, tritium.. I know. Not exactly water, but close enough).

I'm fine with reduction of pollution, its bad for our health, and its looks bad. But we can't all assume doomsday scenarios.

 

[Winchester]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: Testify
When ice melts it turns into water.

This and thousands of other fascinating facts can be yours for the amazing price of $99.99 - call now to order your 26 volume collection!

I nominate this for the smart ass response of the year. :thumbsup:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: funboy42
This morning I had bad gas, some farts were like 3-5 seconds long, and about 5-6 in repeated succession.

That is my contribution to the effects of global warming. People and cows fart out more CO2 gas then all other methods of CO2 producing machinery and factories in the entire world.

If anything we, and the animals we eat, are the main source for global warming, if there was really such a thing. Its just a way to get the sheeple to panic, to allow governments take more freedoms away, and get more from us in taxes for the study of something that always happens, all the time.

methane (what is expelled by animals) does not equal CO2... although it does contribute to the greenhouse gas effect iirc.

Regardless, show me some proof animals let out more gas than all the factories of the world over. Do you know how much CO2 is emitted when coal is burned? Considering it is pure carbon material ignited. They also fart methane, which is touted to be "5 times more effective in trapping heat than co2" Paraphrased, but you get the point

And even if that is true, which I admit may be a possibility, the Earth has the ability to absorb a good amount of that, either directly maintaining a certain amount in the atmosphere or absorbed by plant life. Plant life is the key. Humans are screwing the whole balance up, because we are both removing a large source of CO2 consumption (through deforestation), and greatly upping the amount of CO2 produced in the atmosphere, thus screwing up the atmospheres amount.

How anyone, at this point in time, can STILL deny - with the amount of evidence that has been presented - Global Climate Change is a real problem that is going to fuck up life as we know it... it just shocks me. I'm no hippie and actually want a gas-burning muscle car (just for the muscle, how it gets that muscle I don't care... if they become electric with immense amounts of power, cool!), so I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but at least I acknowledge the matter. And I do agree we need to strive for alternative energy and will adopt solar if it becomes cheap and viable enough to replace power from the electric grid, or enough to get the electric company to pay me.
But no matter the predicted climates, I don't want the world to flood and don't want to live in an extremely hot or cold climate, or one with extreme weather patterns. All of which are basically guaranteed if we do nothing and just attempt to ride it out. And that's just the 'good' prediction. Who knows if the ice age predictions will actually hold true for some regions. It may, or may not. But weather won't be so nice.

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World won't flood. Not enough water to do that. Stop reading the story of Noah's ark. Fine, water levels go up a few feet, say bye bye to those rich peoples houses on the water edge, which has been derioating anyway because of development. Get those rich people out of there

There are more animals than factories. Have you ever been around a cow that was farting? Its a bomb, then couple that with thousands of cows on farms, and you have a Nuke brewing in there.

Actually, it balances itself out. With More co2 in the air, there is more plant growth, which balances out the co2. Also lots of deforestation also occurs in places where they replant the trees. This takes co2 out of the air too.(Not applying this to all places, just many).

I still can't see how 2 degrees is going to change life as we know it. Animal life will adapt. Plant Life Will. And also, electric cars depend on the very factories you are trying to get rid of. You will need a state full of solar panels in order to fill energy needs. Truthfully, I think that even Nuclear Energy will be limited for about a century before uranium runs out. Then with Nucelar Fusion, someone will bitch about how we are using water to fuel our reactors. (Deuterium, tritium.. I know. Not exactly water, but close enough).

I'm fine with reduction of pollution, its bad for our health, and its looks bad. But we can't all assume doomsday scenarios.

Ignorance ftl.

 

[Enig101]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I still can't see how 2 degrees is going to change life as we know it.

It won't "change life as we know it", but it will have serious implications. Glossing over those implications is pure arrogance. 2 degrees Celsius is much more significant than it appears.

It's interesting you referenced deforestation. And to verge to a new train of thought:
A handy fact is that if we could halt rainforest deforestation, it would do vastly more to slow climate change than reducing emissions.

 

[Winchester]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Dinosaurs lived just fine with 5x the CO2 levels and no perennial ice at the poles

And they'd probably not survive right now, either. Too cold a lot of places, and the oxygen content is too low. Not to mention there'd be a good bit of hostility from humans.

I also nominate this for the smart ass response of the year. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the laughs.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

some nice arial pics:
http://news.nationalgeographic...-antarctica-photo.html

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: funboy42
This morning I had bad gas, some farts were like 3-5 seconds long, and about 5-6 in repeated succession.

That is my contribution to the effects of global warming. People and cows fart out more CO2 gas then all other methods of CO2 producing machinery and factories in the entire world.

If anything we, and the animals we eat, are the main source for global warming, if there was really such a thing. Its just a way to get the sheeple to panic, to allow governments take more freedoms away, and get more from us in taxes for the study of something that always happens, all the time.

methane (what is expelled by animals) does not equal CO2... although it does contribute to the greenhouse gas effect iirc.

Regardless, show me some proof animals let out more gas than all the factories of the world over. Do you know how much CO2 is emitted when coal is burned? Considering it is pure carbon material ignited. They also fart methane, which is touted to be "5 times more effective in trapping heat than co2" Paraphrased, but you get the point

And even if that is true, which I admit may be a possibility, the Earth has the ability to absorb a good amount of that, either directly maintaining a certain amount in the atmosphere or absorbed by plant life. Plant life is the key. Humans are screwing the whole balance up, because we are both removing a large source of CO2 consumption (through deforestation), and greatly upping the amount of CO2 produced in the atmosphere, thus screwing up the atmospheres amount.

How anyone, at this point in time, can STILL deny - with the amount of evidence that has been presented - Global Climate Change is a real problem that is going to fuck up life as we know it... it just shocks me. I'm no hippie and actually want a gas-burning muscle car (just for the muscle, how it gets that muscle I don't care... if they become electric with immense amounts of power, cool!), so I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but at least I acknowledge the matter. And I do agree we need to strive for alternative energy and will adopt solar if it becomes cheap and viable enough to replace power from the electric grid, or enough to get the electric company to pay me.
But no matter the predicted climates, I don't want the world to flood and don't want to live in an extremely hot or cold climate, or one with extreme weather patterns. All of which are basically guaranteed if we do nothing and just attempt to ride it out. And that's just the 'good' prediction. Who knows if the ice age predictions will actually hold true for some regions. It may, or may not. But weather won't be so nice.

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World won't flood. Not enough water to do that. Stop reading the story of Noah's ark. Fine, water levels go up a few feet, say bye bye to those rich peoples houses on the water edge, which has been derioating anyway because of development. Get those rich people out of there

There are more animals than factories. Have you ever been around a cow that was farting? Its a bomb, then couple that with thousands of cows on farms, and you have a Nuke brewing in there.

Actually, it balances itself out. With More co2 in the air, there is more plant growth, which balances out the co2. Also lots of deforestation also occurs in places where they replant the trees. This takes co2 out of the air too.(Not applying this to all places, just many).

I still can't see how 2 degrees is going to change life as we know it. Animal life will adapt. Plant Life Will. And also, electric cars depend on the very factories you are trying to get rid of. You will need a state full of solar panels in order to fill energy needs. Truthfully, I think that even Nuclear Energy will be limited for about a century before uranium runs out. Then with Nucelar Fusion, someone will bitch about how we are using water to fuel our reactors. (Deuterium, tritium.. I know. Not exactly water, but close enough).

I'm fine with reduction of pollution, its bad for our health, and its looks bad. But we can't all assume doomsday scenarios.

okay, you took my words too literally. A few feet is more than you can imagine, and that's only with a small portion of the ice melting. If all the ice melted, that's (according to wiki) 60ft. Now, all the ice won't melt... but a couple feet of water is more than enough to flood an immense mount of land, quite a bit of that land is also agricultural and fertile. That hurts big on its own, not to mention displacing large numbers of people in some countries that already don't seemingly have enough room as it is. Disease would be rampant.

You look at the mere events that will happen but fail to look at the bigger picture. A few degrees (celcius, mind you) is more than enough to cause quite a bit of sea level rise. And a few degrees is also the average around the world, thus why some seem to stick to Global Warming. But on a smaller level, it's Global Climate Change, because some areas (this is where knowledge of geography and climatology/meteorology is important) will have vastly different temperature changes. I can't fully explain why, because I don't know the facts. But many systems will change, thus greatly changing the types of weather and climate an area receives. Location isn't the only factor, remember this. Look at the U.K.. Geographically, they should be cold, but, in this case the gulf stream works in the U.K.'s favor and warms them up by sending them warmer water which fuels the local climate.
I wish I could go into further detail, but at that point I'd be talking out my ass and not providing solid factual information, as I have read a lot of it and studied to some depth, but not enough to really recite it and I don't necessarily understand WHY the systems work like they do. Why the Gulf Stream takes the pattern it does? I have a vague knowledge, but not of detail. It has a weird track that I couldn't explain, but I somewhat understand the north/south travel of it... which is where the whole dramatization of ice age came from in the movie The Day After Tomorrow. It's based on scientific research, but overly dramatic. An ice age is actually a potential event, but to what extreme we don't know, as we don't really know the tipping point and the exact reasons why they happened in the past, other than carbon peaks. The issue though, is that carbon levels are presently higher than at any point prior to an ice age (and levels always dropped following the ice ages, and when they reached higher levels, an ice age happened again). Also, the introduction of large amounts of fresh water has potentially played a role, with the melting of the large glacier that formed Hudson Bay (now that I think about it, it may have been either the Hudson Bay or the Great Lakes), climatologists think the introduction of fresh water into the Atlantic caused the Little Ice Age.

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[sandorski]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Dinosaurs lived just fine with 5x the CO2 levels and no perennial ice at the poles

I wish I were a Dinosaur.

 

[IL2SturmovikPilot]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Dinosaurs lived just fine with 5x the CO2 levels and no perennial ice at the poles

Since when did Dinosaurs = Us? :roll:

 

[n7]

Day after Tomorrow? :Q

 

[adairusmc]

GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!



We Didn't Listen!

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
Its called Spring breakup... happens every year.

No, it doesn't.

The Wilkins Ice Shelf was stable for most of the last century until it began retreating in the 1990s. A previous major breakout occurred there in 1998 when 390 square miles of ice was lost in just a few months.

"We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing it to break up," Scambos said.

I don't know how thecrecarc's post lasted this long without this being pointed out: It's friggin FALL not Spring. The Antarctic is in the SOUTHERN Hemisphere.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
Its called Spring breakup... happens every year.

No, it doesn't.

The Wilkins Ice Shelf was stable for most of the last century until it began retreating in the 1990s. A previous major breakout occurred there in 1998 when 390 square miles of ice was lost in just a few months.

"We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing it to break up," Scambos said.

I don't know how thecrecarc's post lasted this long without this being pointed out: It's friggin FALL not Spring. The Antarctic is in the SOUTHERN Hemisphere.

Mid-to-late summer actually while the ice was breaking. Autumn just began.