[VC] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Specifications Leaked, Faster than RX 480

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parvadomus

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There are only 2 possible cases:

1) If 1060 is 128-bits/32ROPs, then its specs are exactly 50% of 1080 in all metrics.
In the chart this translates to around 92.5% ~970 performance level (185 * 0.5).

2) If 1060 is 192-bits/48ROps, then its better to compare it with 1070 (which is equal to a 1080 but with fewer shaders).

For this case we have:

1070 -> 1060
1920 cc -> 1280 cc or 33% less shaders
64ROPs -> 48ROPs or 25% less ROPs
256GB/s -> 192GB/s or 25% less bandwidth
both same clocks
We can draw the conclusion for case 2: 1060 has at worst 66% the performance of 1070 (taking into account its weakest point, shaders).

In chart it would be like 101% ~390/480 performance. (153 * 0.66)



In any case I dont see it being 15% faster than 480..
 

Thala

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Sweepr said:
This doesn't make any sense. GP106 is not half GP104, and at 4.35 TFLOPs it's much closer to the Geforce GTX 980, yet you're saying it will be slower than a Geforce GTX 970?

I think it is pretty much given, that GTX1060 is faster than half GTX1080. This conclusion can easily be drawn due to higher relative bandwidth. So assuming closer to GTX980 than GTX970 is reasonable.

parvadomus said:
In any case I dont see it being 15% faster than 480..

Indeed. This holds in particular, since TPU used the the 6.6.2 AMD driver for its tests, which contains a PCIe bandwidth bug, which has negative impact on framerate. As computerbase.de reported, the fixed driver increase the framerate by up to 5%. And then it was not clear from reading the TPU review, if they removed the power limit from RX480 such that RX480 really runs at 1266MHz when benchmarking.
In essence, for RX480 we are looking at 71% of GTX1070 and worst case for GTX1060 is 66% of GTX1070. So close to RX480 performance seems to be a good guess.
 
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Keysplayr

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I think it is pretty much given, that GTX1060 is faster than half GTX1080. This conclusion can easily be drawn due to higher relative bandwidth. So assuming closer to GTX980 than GTX970 is reasonable.

Spot on.
 

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In any case I dont see it being 15% faster than 480..


it is been a long while since I seen graphs/numbers of any Graphics card company not showing off best case scenario instead of average , so yes I am sceptical about 15% but I do prefer quiet and cool over gaming performance. So if it just 5% faster , I am still in. The biggest problem I fear is that the price is going to be to high to justify it over a custom 480. The 960 was not the best price/performance card in my region , specially not the 4GB one.
 

parvadomus

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it is been a long while since I seen graphs/numbers of any Graphics card company not showing off best case scenario instead of average , so yes I am sceptical about 15% but I do prefer quiet and cool over gaming performance. So if it just 5% faster , I am still in. The biggest problem I fear is that the price is going to be to high to justify it over a custom 480. The 960 was not the best price/performance card in my region , specially not the 4GB one.

I think to decide between a 480 and a 1060 i would choose the one with better perf/$. Both consume tiny amounts of power (less than a 970), you wont see a difference in electricity bill with a 10/20watts diference. Also exepect 480s to be as cool with aftermarket coolers..
 

Sweepr

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Indeed. This holds in particular, since TPU used the the 6.6.2 AMD driver for its tests, which contains a PCIe bandwidth bug, which has negative impact on framerate. As computerbase.de reported, the fixed driver increase the framerate by up to 5%.

Even in ComputerBase's review with removed power limit it's still below Radeon R9 390X / Geforce GTX 980 at 1080p/1440p, so doesn't seem to make much difference. If Geforce GTX 1060 matches Geforce GTX 980 it will be faster overall, not 'close to'.
 

Thala

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Even in ComputerBase's review with removed power limit it's still below Radeon R9 390X / Geforce GTX 980 at 1080p/1440p, so doesn't seem to make much difference. If Geforce GTX 1060 matches Geforce GTX 980 it will be faster overall, not 'close to'.

It is the difference of GTX980 being 9% (TPU) or 4% (Computerbase) faster than RX480. So looking at your statement, 5% "doesn't seem to make much difference" but 4% is "not close to". Different standards?
 

Sweepr

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It is the difference of GTX980 being 9% (TPU) or 4% (Computerbase) faster than RX480. So looking at your statement, 5% "doesn't seem to make much difference" but 4% is "not close to". Different standards?

Sorry, there is a differece between picking a worst case scenario (66%) at TPU chart, saying it's only close to a Radeon RX 480 (still slower) and being 4% faster at ComputerBase's removed power limit chart.
 

Thala

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Sorry, there is a differece between picking a worst case scenario (66%) at TPU chart, saying it's only close to a Radeon RX 480 (still slower) and being 4% faster at ComputerBase's removed power limit chart.

In this case you misunderstood. I was not implying that "close to" means "below". I was already assuming that GTX1060 performs above worst case.
Just take what i said literally.
 
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Glo.

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This doesn't make any sense. GP106 is not half GP104, and at 4.35 TFLOPs it's much closer to the Geforce GTX 980, yet you're saying it will be slower than a Geforce GTX 970?

Sweeper look at performance of GTX 1070. 1280 CC is 66.67% of 1920 CC's from GTX 1070.

It would behave exactly at that level IF it would have 256 Bit memory bus and the same bandwidth as GTX 1070. But it won't. 192 Bit bus, and narrower bandwidth.

Everything lies in the clocks. If they will be the same as GTX 1070 - it will be 60-65% of GTX 1070. If they will be higher - it will be more like 68-70% of GTX 1070.

And no, I am not willing to place any bets.
 

Thala

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It would behave exactly at that level IF it would have 256 Bit memory bus and the same bandwidth as GTX 1070. But it won't. 192 Bit bus, and narrower bandwidth.

That is just wrong.
You do not get a penalty from reduced number of shaders and then a bandwidth penalty on top.
You have to understand that if you reduce everything by factor of c, the performance would drop by the same factor c. So if the bandwidth is reduced by a smaller factor than the shaders (which seems to be the case) the performance will not drop as much as the shader factor would indicate.
In summary it is save to assume, that 66.6% GTC1070 is worst case for GTX1060 (just as Parvadomus has concluded) and most likely better due to increased relative bandwidth.
 
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RussianSensation

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It is the difference of GTX980 being 9% (TPU) or 4% (Computerbase) faster than RX480. So looking at your statement, 5% "doesn't seem to make much difference" but 4% is "not close to". Different standards?

We can even give the 1060 a 15% performance increase over RX 480 4GB. Unless it costs $249, it's nothing special. The 1060 6GB version will likely cost $279-299. That's $80-100 better spent elsewhere. Option 1: save it towards a future 2018 $200-225 GPU upgrade. Option 2, get a faster CPU.

I'll just cut and paste what I typed in the other 1060 thread.

The mainstream PC gamer has to be very careful on this one. The extra $ spent on the 8GB RX 480 is better spent on a faster CPU instead. Move up from an i3 to an i5, from a stock i5 to an i5 K. It also doesn't matter if AMD claims that RX 480 was designed for 3-4 years in mind. It's a 2 year or less GPU. For that reason I question spending $40 more for the RX 480 8GB version. The issue with GTX1060 3GB is that for modern games that's too risky. Otoh, if GTX1060 6GB is $279.99, that's an $80 difference between that card and the $199 RX 480 4GB. We would then come full circle again and I'd recommend the mainstream/performance gamer spend the extra $80 towards a faster CPU that will last 5 years. No one had an issue recommending 3.5GB 970, 4GB 290/290X/980 for all of last year so there is no particular reason to even go for a 6-8GB card for this performance class over an 4GB card for 1080p gaming.

As you said though, the NV brand name will ensure they will be able to sell VRAM gimped 1060 3GB over RX 480 4GB. The hilarious part is that NV PR/marketing will not be able to use that 4GB is insufficient for 1080p gaming against a GTX1060 6GB but then still be able to recommend GTX1060 3GB over the RX 480 4GB. For that reason, AIB RX 480 4GB will likely be the best mainstream card in 2016 as long as AIBs can hit $210-220 prices.

Knowing NV though having a $239-249 GTX1060 6GB creates too large of a gap with the 1070, unless they later introduce the GTX1060Ti. I am thinking they will price it much closer to $279-299 than $239-249.


$199 RX 480 4GB
vs.
$299 GTX1060 6GB = 50% more expensive
$279 GTX1060 6GB = 40% more expensive
$249 GTX1060 6GB = 25% more expensive

In all of these cases, the GTX1060 6GB is a worse price/performance card.

In summary: The budget/performance gamer will be way better off either putting the extra savings towards a next generation 2018 GPU upgrade if GTX1060 costs $279-299 ($80-100 is a LOT of $ towards a next gen 2018 $200-225 RX 480 successor that would make the upgrade just $120-145) OR putting it towards a faster CPU for longevity. Unless the GTX1060 6GB costs $249, RX 480 4GB will be the best value at $199 among all of these cards. The extra 10-15% performance isn't going to matter over 2 years but moving from an i3 to an i5, or i5 to i5K is $ well spent. If GTX1060 6GB costs $279-299, then we'd looking at moving from an i5 6600K to an i7 6700/K for a new system build/platform upgrade. In that case, it's not even a contest in favour of the i7 6700K + RX 480 4GB >>>>>> i5 6600K + GTX 1060 6GB.

We've already seen that cards like GTX760/960/285/380 (and their predecessors such as HD6850/GTX460/HD7850) are good cards for 2 years but not much more. It's forward thinking for a mainstream/performance gamer to consider buying a $200 card vs. a $270-300 card, but then selling the $200 card and buying a new card in 2 years and guess what? You have $70-100 extra to upgrade since you never bothered wasting it on just 10-15% more performance. That's smart upgrading on a budget. Same reason I recommended R9 290 over the GTX960/280X as it worked in reverse. Spend a little more and not worry about upgrading to the RX 480/1060 in the first place.

I even said for almost all of 2015 that GTX960 users will spend $200 on that turd and then another $200+ on a GTX1060 to upgrade to get a card barely faster than an $250-275 R9 290 OC that they could have been using since November 2014. On this forum there is a tendency to downplay price/performance and reinvesting the savings towards a future upgrade card -- this is because this strategy destroys the attractiveness of many NV cards. It's one thing to spend $80 more at the high-end for bragging rights but it's pretty illogical to spend $80 more from a $199 card for 15% more performance when that $80 can be used towards a future card priced at $200-225 that will be 30-60% faster than the GTX1060/RX 480.

In fact, in 1 year we went from $649 GTX980Ti -> $399 GTX980Ti and in less than 2 years we went from a $550 GTX980 to $280 GTX980. With how quickly GPUs depreciate/drop in value, it's not wise to overspend too much $ for what a 10-15% increase?

It's also appalling seeing NV supporters pushing what is likely to be a $250+ GTX1060 6GB so hard against the $200 RX 480, but R9 290 was $280 and was as fast as GTX960 SLI, and yet they ignored that card. Back then spending extra for 50-60% more performance wasn't worthwhile but now spending $50-70 for what a 15% increase is worth it? Complete lack of objectivity detected. The equivalent to that performance comparison today would be a $279 GTX1060 6GB ending up as fast as $400 RX 480 4GB CF.
 
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MajinCry

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Those graphs gave me a good laugh. Jeezus.

It literally just says "Performance!". Do people actually take those graphs seriously? They make for a decent, low-bar intelligence test.
 

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Those graphs gave me a good laugh. Jeezus.

It literally just says "Performance!". Do people actually take those graphs seriously? They make for a decent, low-bar intelligence test.
the editorial thread title gave me a chuckle there were 3 threads of the same caliber
 

Qwertilot

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The statistical trick is a very, very old thing but you have to imagine they'd have stopped doing it if it didn't still work

Humans in general are sadly inherently terrible at statistics - not crucial in evolutionary terms somehow - and for some reason we don't go out of our way to educate people about this sort of thing.
 

RussianSensation

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You know what else is spot on? People like you recommended GTX750/750Ti over 270/270X, GTX950/960 2GB over R9 380/R9 280X and GTX960 4GB over the R9 380X/R9 290. So I fully expect 100% recommendation for $199 RX 480 4GB over all the higher priced GTX1060 cards from you given the performance advantage those AMD cards had over the NV cards vs. the performance gap GTX1060 is expected to have.

1080p
R7 370 = R9 270 = 39% faster than 750
R9 270X = 56% faster than GTX750Ti
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html

1080p
R9 380 29% faster than GTX950
R9 280X 19% faster than GTX960
R9 290 53% faster than GTX960
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/24.html

That means unless GTX1060 6GB beats RX 480 by no less than 25% at $249, you are recommending the $199 RX 480, amiright? I hear employers value consistency. :thumbsup:

The statistical trick is a very, very old thing but you have to imagine they'd have stopped doing it if it didn't still work

Humans in general are sadly inherently terrible at statistics - not crucial in evolutionary terms somehow - and for some reason we don't go out of our way to educate people about this sort of thing.

I am pretty sure in North America they already teach X and Y-axis in Grade 6 or even earlier. Lack of advanced statistics skills has little to do with marketing skewed graphs because such skills are taught much earlier. In Russia, even back in the days in Grade 7 we already studied geometry. Not trying to pick at NV here as AMD has been just as guilty.

In any case, this generation is one of the worst launches I've seen in years from both camps. GTX1070/1080 are a paper launch and AMD dropped the ball by having no AIB cards at launch. The launch strategies from both companies this time are mediocre to say the least. NV's fake $379.99/$599.99 MSRP was even more of a joke frankly. I wonder if they will try to rip the consumer off and attach a $30-40 premium or the GTX1060 FE cards.
 
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Jaskalas

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In summary: The budget/performance gamer will be way better off either putting the extra savings towards a next generation 2018 GPU upgrade if GTX1060 costs $279-299

I do appreciate your logic here. From a purely economical standpoint, go for the $200 4GB VRAM and enjoy that for a year or two until better offerings reach a similar price point.
 

Shivansps

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Actually the GTX1060 does not need to be faster than RX480 to end up ahead on overall performance, it just need to be more consistant across games, the RX480 variates way too much.
 

Qwertilot

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Just because they teach it doesn't mean that people learn.

True They also teach it as maths, not as an essential life skill cf: 'marketing people will try this trick, that trick etc, here's why you laugh in their faces'.
 

Shivansps

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1080p
R7 370 = R9 270 = 39% faster than 750
R9 270X = 56% faster than GTX750Ti
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html

1080p
R9 380 29% faster than GTX950
R9 280X 19% faster than GTX960
R9 290 53% faster than GTX960
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/24.html

WTH?
The GTX750TI was the competence to 260/260X/360, NOT 370/270/270X, AMD launched the R7 265 to better fight the 750TI at its price point, but AMD give up fighting the 750TI on 300 series on performance and just decided to fight it on price with the 360.

GTX950 is the competence to R7 370, NOT R9 380s...


AMD did have a good product on the R9 380 vs GTX960, but thats about it, i whould have picked a GTX750TI over a 360/260, and GTX950 over the GCN 1.0 R7 370 ANY DAY, those NV cards where just better, specially on DX11 with slowers CPUs.
 
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Shivansps

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And people are worried about geometry classes...

Well you have tests where the RX480 is faster than R9 390X, and others where is slower than GTX970... if GTX1060 is always faster than a GTX970 its likely to come up ahead on overall, even if its slower/equal to a RX480 on several games.
 
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Azix

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Most statements NVIDIA made about Pascal were true or quite close to the truth. AMD has lied left and right about the 480 but please go ahead and troll some more.

I trust much more NVIDIA marketing perf numbers, which were spot on for the 1080 and 1070, than AMD convoluted and non-sensual perf comparisons in CF and in a game no one plays, just to hide their part it's an utter failure on any metric that is not perf/$.

eg. of truth and lies please
 

Keysplayr

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You know what else is spot on? People like you recommended GTX750/750Ti over 270/270X, GTX950/960 2GB over R9 380/R9 280X and GTX960 4GB over the R9 380X/R9 290. So I fully expect 100% recommendation for $199 RX 480 4GB over all the higher priced GTX1060 cards from you given the performance advantage those AMD cards had over the NV cards vs. the performance gap GTX1060 is expected to have.

1080p
R7 370 = R9 270 = 39% faster than 750
R9 270X = 56% faster than GTX750Ti
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html

1080p
R9 380 29% faster than GTX950
R9 280X 19% faster than GTX960
R9 290 53% faster than GTX960
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/24.html

That means unless GTX1060 6GB beats RX 480 by no less than 25% at $249, you are recommending the $199 RX 480, amiright? I hear employers value consistency. :thumbsup:



I am pretty sure in North America they already teach X and Y-axis in Grade 6 or even earlier. Lack of advanced statistics skills has little to do with marketing skewed graphs because such skills are taught much earlier. In Russia, even back in the days in Grade 7 we already studied geometry. Not trying to pick at NV here as AMD has been just as guilty.

In any case, this generation is one of the worst launches I've seen in years from both camps. GTX1070/1080 are a paper launch and AMD dropped the ball by having no AIB cards at launch. The launch strategies from both companies this time are mediocre to say the least. NV's fake $379.99/$599.99 MSRP was even more of a joke frankly. I wonder if they will try to rip the consumer off and attach a $30-40 premium or the GTX1060 FE cards.

Whatever man. You're set in your ways. I certainly hope you didn't expect anyone to just keel over and follow your opinionated advice blindly. People have their own minds. Yes, it's astonishing, but they do. Not everyone sees things your way, and just because it's your way, doesn't necessarily make it the "right" way for anyone else. If it's right for you, beautiful.
You are 10000000% about performance to the last cent. In which case, you will always be in AMDs corner, because all they can ever do is compete on a price/performance aspect. They are the underdog, they have to do a LOT more to earn the same money. That is plainly obvious. blow for blow, Nvidia earns more. Prices can be higher. People will buy them. They are fantastic products as are AMDs. There really isn't anything you can do to change that.
 
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