[VC]NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980, GTX 980 SLI, GTX 970, 3DMark performance

[Termie]

Not to add to the rumor-mongering, but it would make perfect sense for Nvidia to price the 970 at $400 and the 980 at $600, hurt feelings and unexpected price deltas aside.

At $400, the 970 will likely beat the R9 290. That's all it needs to do in that price range to capture market share.

At $600, the 980 will likely beat the 780 Ti. That's all it needs to do to advance price/performance and attract buyers.

Remember, AMD has no response at this point, so why should Nvidia lower its margins for no reason? It's a business, after all.

 

[notty22]

Prices are dropping on 770's and more at newegg and Amazon, compared to even yesterday.

 

[dmoney1980]

Prices are dropping on 770's and more at newegg and Amazon, compared to even yesterday.

I noticed that as well. The 770 still feels out of place really. A 2gb card these days for over $300 doesn't make any sense. If anything they should do the following:

GTX 780 3gb - $359
GTX 770 4gb variants- $299, 2gb variants - $249
GTX 760 2gb - $200?

This would help them compete with AMD's 280x / 290 / 290x offerings, while clearing stock for the new cards.

 

[lopri]

Not to add to the rumor-mongering, but it would make perfect sense for Nvidia to price the 970 at $400 and the 980 at $600, hurt feelings and unexpected price deltas aside.

At $400, the 970 will likely beat the R9 290. That's all it needs to do in that price range to capture market share.

At $600, the 980 will likely beat the 780 Ti. That's all it needs to do to advance price/performance and attract buyers.

Remember, AMD has no response at this point, so why should Nvidia lower its margins for no reason? It's a business, after all.

Why don't we have these video cards for $6,000 then? I am pretty certain that they are x10 faster than, say, 6800 Ultra.

By raising concerns in reviews/forums consumers bring awareness among themselves and can put pressure to the corporations in return. Some will want to silence those voices (selectively, for one reasons or another) but there is no reason to remain silent at corporations' gouging when communication is easier than ever today.

 

[FatherMurphy]

Termie, you make too good a point. Curses! :\

 

[escrow4]

Not to add to the rumor-mongering, but it would make perfect sense for Nvidia to price the 970 at $400 and the 980 at $600, hurt feelings and unexpected price deltas aside.

At $400, the 970 will likely beat the R9 290. That's all it needs to do in that price range to capture market share.

At $600, the 980 will likely beat the 780 Ti. That's all it needs to do to advance price/performance and attract buyers.

Remember, AMD has no response at this point, so why should Nvidia lower its margins for no reason? It's a business, after all.

Why would you pay $600 for a pansy old 256 bit mid range card? Where are the "big" chips? Where is the $1K 6GB vRAM 512-bit proper version?

 

[Elfear]

ASUS GTX 780 for $398AR/AC (EMCPAWW27), time to clear stock for the new parts?

Comes with Borderlands: The Pre Sequel too. :thumbsup: That's a good deal if you were going to buy the game anyway.

Back OT - The 970 should sell well if it's $350-400 and performs like a 780. Even better if it's 780 +10-15%.

 

[tollingalong]

So far there has been no mentions about 960s. I think if there is one that'll probably fill the $300 gap.

 

[Paul98]

It's going to be real interesting to see the power usage after a shrink.

 

[JDG1980]

Agreed. These rumors that there is going to be a roughly $200 difference between the 970 and 980 are no good.

There is absolutely no substance to these rumors. I haven't seen any such thing on any halfway reputable leak site - they're all pure speculation coming from these and other forums.

I'd be willing to bet money that GTX 970 and GTX 980 will debut with a MSRP of $399 and $499, respectively.

 

[Fastx]

Dated 9-11-14

Arriving in October according to Gigabyte.

Nvidia is said to be showing off its GTX 900 series at EGX London later this month, and the report also states the firm will be skipping out on releasing an 800 line of cards.

Purportedly, Nvidia won’t call the next series of cards GTX 800 due to some confusion it would create between the card maker’s desktop and mobile product lines.

GTX 980 is built on a 28mm chip which clocks at 1000MHz and it has 4GB of video memory and it is 30% faster than Nvidia’s 780Ti.

The GTX 980 and GTX 970 will release first, with the GTX 960 releasing later.

Nvidia’s Titan Z, 780Ti, 780, 770 and 760 cards will continue to be supported for a bit.

Gigabyte revealed the GTX 900 series rwill arrive sometime in October 2014.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/09/11/nvidia-gtx-900-series-release-date/

 

[DooKey]

30% faster than 780Ti means come and take my money NV!

 

[Elfear]

GTX 980 is built on a 28mm chip which clocks at 1000MHz and it has 4GB of video memory and it is 30% faster than Nvidia’s 780Ti.

If that is correct along with the rumored core count (970 = 1664 cores and 980 = 1920 cores), then the 970 will easily be faster than the 780Ti. I highly doubt the 970 will come in at $399 if that is the case.

 

[FatherMurphy]

Yeah. It doesn't add up, especially with the rumored 3dMark Scores that are out there.

 

[Fastx]

30% faster than 780Ti means come and take my money NV!

lol & +1 if true.

 

[ocre]

I noticed that as well. The 770 still feels out of place really. A 2gb card these days for over $300 doesn't make any sense. If anything they should do the following:

GTX 780 3gb - $359
GTX 770 4gb variants- $299, 2gb variants - $249
GTX 760 2gb - $200?

This would help them compete with AMD's 280x / 290 / 290x offerings, while clearing stock for the new cards.

Are you serious?
Help them compete with AMDs offerings? They already not only compete, Nvidia dominates. At the prices you listed, Nvidia would be priced better than all of AMDs current comparable offerings (290(x), 285).

Nvidia already has 60+% of the market, with higher pricing. What would happen if they priced their cards better than AMDs? People claim this and that about how bad it would be if there was only one company left but they never really think when they bash nvidias pricing. If i see Nvidia lowering prices to undercut AMD, I think this will equal more sales. Its just not something good for AMD.

I guess i shouldnt care much about how things turn out. But just so you know, Maxwell will probably have an effect on the performance and prices of Nvidia mid to high end. Its gonna move the bar. I am pretty sure of that

 

[tollingalong]

Are you serious?
I guess i shouldnt care much about how things turn out. But just so you know, Maxwell will probably have an effect on the performance and prices of Nvidia mid to high end. Its gonna move the bar. I am pretty sure of that

I think Nvidia is going to continue winning the battle but ultimately lose the war. Without an x86 license they cannot compete against AMD in the long run. If anything I'd say the battle will rage between Intel and AMD in future graphics.

 

[JDG1980]

If that is correct along with the rumored core count (970 = 1664 cores and 980 = 1920 cores), then the 970 will easily be faster than the 780Ti. I highly doubt the 970 will come in at $399 if that is the case.

GTX 670: launch price $399
GTX 770: launch price $399

Why does everyone think that the GTX 970 is going to represent some kind of price jump? Intel hasn't implemented any substantial price hikes on its CPUs in the last three generations despite having essentially no competition from AMD on the mid to high range enthusiast front. The i7-2600K cost about the same as the i7-3770K which cost about the same as the i7-4770K/4790K. It went up a few bucks, but that can easily be written off as the effects of inflation. Nvidia isn't nearly so far ahead as Intel, so they aren't really in a good position to start gouging. The GTX 970 is a small chip that doesn't require an outrageously overbuilt card to run, so there will be plenty of profits at that price point. The higher sales volume will probably more than offset whatever extra they could have earned by pricing it at $500+.

 

[SlickR12345]

Why is everyone excited about this garbage? Do you know that GTX Titan is a 3 years old card? For 3 years they've been unable to develop a graphic card that can perform better than GTX Titan.

GTX 780TI is just an overclocked with less memory Titan, its the same 3 years old card.

Now finally 3 years later we get a GTX 980 and it performs on the same levels as a 3 years old card, are you freaking kidding me?

Is this what 3 years worth of wait brings us? Why are people excited about this GARBAGE?

We are being offered utter garbage, likely at huge prices, I bet its at least going to cost $600 that is able to go neck and neck with 3 years old technology, I mean just freaking amazing. What a scam!

 

[tollingalong]

Now finally 3 years later we get a GTX 980 and it performs on the same levels as a 3 years old card, are you freaking kidding me?

Until we have prices/performance from something other than rumors I don't think we can make that assessment. If it's true you're complete correct.

 

[JDG1980]

Why is everyone excited about this garbage? Do you know that GTX Titan is a 3 years old card? For 3 years they've been unable to develop a graphic card that can perform better than GTX Titan.

The Titan was announced in February 2013. Now unless my calendar is calibrated wrong, that means it's been out for about 19 months, not 3 years.

And you can blame TSMC for the lack of further progress. They've been stuck on the 28nm process node forever (since December 2011). They were supposed to be on 20nm by now, but the process is basically a dud and is only adequate for portable devices, not high-performance GPUs. Without process shrinks to provide "free" performance boosts, AMD and Nvidia have no choice but to optimize what they can on 28nm. And so far, Nvidia has done a much better job of that. Maxwell is pretty clearly a superior architecture to GCN 1.2 (though admittedly the one GCN 1.2 card released so far suffers from being in about the worst placed area in the lineup they could possibly have chosen).

Now finally 3 years later we get a GTX 980 and it performs on the same levels as a 3 years old card, are you freaking kidding me?

The GTX 980 is said to perform better than a GTX 780 Ti, but almost certainly (based on the board designs we've seen so far and what we know about Maxwell) has far lower power consumption. That's a major improvement for the same process node. Don't blame Nvidia for TSMC's failures.

We are being offered utter garbage, likely at huge prices, I bet its at least going to cost $600 that is able to go neck and neck with 3 years old technology, I mean just freaking amazing. What a scam!

I'll take your bet. It won't be $600. It will be $499. Compare that to the GTX 680 which cost $499 in March 2012, or the GTX 780 which was originally a bit more expensive (due to the large die) but promptly dropped to $499 when AMD released Hawaii. Nvidia wants this card to sell. Anything above $500 and they'll be competing with their last-generation cards, and losing sales among gamers who don't care about stuff like power efficiency. It's technically a mid-size GPU, like on the GTX 680, so they can sell it at $499 and still make excellent profit.

 

[FatherMurphy]

^^This guy knows what he is talking about.

 

[Azix]

Are you serious?
Help them compete with AMDs offerings? They already not only compete, Nvidia dominates. At the prices you listed, Nvidia would be priced better than all of AMDs current comparable offerings (290(x), 285).

Nvidia already has 60+% of the market, with higher pricing. What would happen if they priced their cards better than AMDs? People claim this and that about how bad it would be if there was only one company left but they never really think when they bash nvidias pricing. If i see Nvidia lowering prices to undercut AMD, I think this will equal more sales. Its just not something good for AMD.

I guess i shouldnt care much about how things turn out. But just so you know, Maxwell will probably have an effect on the performance and prices of Nvidia mid to high end. Its gonna move the bar. I am pretty sure of that

They have more fans. There are really people out there who think AMD drivers are the craps or that AMD having a better price perf ratio means AMD is the poor mans choice. Nvidia is the apple of desktop graphics and fanboys aplenty.

What I really am looking at is the power consumption. AMD has features that I like but the power consumption is not impressive. Not willing to pay $400 for one of these though and even less so if the 290 cards still compete. $300 for a 970 and its a done deal probably. My guess is that it will be higher than $400 though if it does perform.

BTW am I right in thinking that a 256 bit bus vs 384 or 512bit contributes greatly to reduced power consumption?

 

[MathMan]

Why don't we have these video cards for $6,000 then?

Economics 101?

Something about the price/demand curve, and the multiplication about the two?

 

[Termie]

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I'll take your bet. It won't be $600. It will be $499. Compare that to the GTX 680 which cost $499 in March 2012, or the GTX 780 which was originally a bit more expensive (due to the large die) but promptly dropped to $499 when AMD released Hawaii. Nvidia wants this card to sell. Anything above $500 and they'll be competing with their last-generation cards, and losing sales among gamers who don't care about stuff like power efficiency. It's technically a mid-size GPU, like on the GTX 680, so they can sell it at $499 and still make excellent profit.

Sorry, but you're missing a crucial piece of the picture here. The GTX 680 was released into a market where the HD7970 was already dominating. It had to come in at or under the $550 selling price of that card.

There's no HD7970 now. And strangely, the R9 290X continues to hover near its retail price of $550 a year after its introduction. I doubt it's because it's selling so well at that price. Nvidia simply needs to look at the R9 290X, decide how much AMD is willing to drop the price, and then add 20-25% to arrive at the cost of the GTX 980. It's going to be at least $550, and if Nvidia's smart, it will be $600.

Seriously guys, the size of the die is a total red herring here. Nvidia isn't going to price is products to keep its margins small. It's going to price its products to outsell the competition.