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Malogeek

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As stated before, VRAM usage doesn't mean a whole bunch. Some games take up a lot more when its available with no actual performance difference.
Yep agreed, and hopefully Vega will be able to highlight this. I just think there's proven titles where it does make a difference so I'd rather play it safe if there's going to be an 8Gb version of Vega. All depends on costs as well though Not an unlimited budget.
 

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I'll get the fastest Vega, and if the crossfire benches are decent and can show a decent improvement in 5-10 triple a titles that I'll play, I'll get 2. Largest thing holding me back from getting 2 is if I'll even finish the games that only require 1 gpu before the next high end card comes out
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Snarf Snarf

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Could be, but I still think it has more to do with GFs process not being up to snuff and AMD holding out for Samsung LPC/LPU and making it there.

They wouldn't have changed the wafer supply agreement to allow for such if they weren't going to use it and GF is going to be at capacity with AMDs other products all using GF so they'd need to move something to a third party. It makes the most sense to do it for the highest margin parts that need the fewest wafers from a cost perspective.

I was under the impression the exact opposite was true. All future products are coming on GF 14nm LPP and the WSA was amended to lessen the financial blow of all the new console contracts being on TSMC's 16nm. I could be wrong but I thought the point was to increase overall fab capacity while not being penalized as much as before for needing to use another process.

The silence on Vega details is really starting to flirt with being dangerous. Some teasers would be good right about now, nothing performance related but something to tell the public waiting that Vega is coming very soon with full details to follow. Hell I'd take a 10 second snippet with a "catch us at E3!" right now.
 

Harmaaviini

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If you're expecting Vega at Computex, you will likely be disappointed. Nothing in the agenda really points to Vega.

100% of the "clues" people are grasping at can 100% be explained by RX 5xx series products.

Computex is one of the biggest tech tradeshows in the world. It would be astonishing if there were no Vega.
 

Yakk

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Curious, we have working full finished cards shown, box art, new reference in drivers, and not show coming up.

Tweaktown's very odd comment about "only" 16,000 cards available at launch which IMHO would point to a very good hard launch for an enthusiast grade gpu by AMD.

At first I was thinking 580 for Computex also, but looks more like a very tight lipped Vega launch event.
 

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Computex is one of the biggest tech tradeshows in the world. It would be astonishing if there were no Vega.

Prepare to be astonished, then. People were saying the same thing around the time the Radeon RX 480 launched, that for sure it would be a hard launch at Computex:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3073...laris-gpu-updates-and-bristol-ridge-apus.html

That turned out to be a bust.

Launch dates of the past three GPUs from AMD:
"Polaris" AKA Radeon 400 series: June 29, 2016
"Fiji" AKA Radeon Fury series: June 24, 2015
"Grenada" AKA Radeon 3xx series: June 18, 2015

You may hear additional details about Vega via AMD livestream at Computex. You may even see a few carefully curated, canned demos and be promised that it is arriving soon™. I would not expect a hard launch of Vega before mid June because that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.
 

railven

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Want some anecdote feedback from such users here. I feel I know more people with a non-Async Monitor + AMD GPU than I do FreeSync Monitor + AMD GPU users.

Hell, I'm starting to see more FreeSync monitor + NV GPU users based on my forum adventures.

Outside of tech forums, I don't feel Async is as desired by casual joe. At least not until it's featured in consoles.
 

raghu78

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Prepare to be astonished, then. People were saying the same thing around the time the Radeon RX 480 launched, that for sure it would be a hard launch at Computex:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3073...laris-gpu-updates-and-bristol-ridge-apus.html

That turned out to be a bust.

Launch dates of the past three GPUs from AMD:
"Polaris" AKA Radeon 400 series: June 29, 2016
"Fiji" AKA Radeon Fury series: June 24, 2015
"Grenada" AKA Radeon 3xx series: June 18, 2015

You may hear additional details about Vega via AMD livestream at Computex. You may even see a few carefully curated, canned demos and be promised that it is arriving soon™. I would not expect a hard launch of Vega before mid June because that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

yeah i think right now the launch window looks more like Jun 19 - Jun 30th. It looks like AMD might launch Vega 10 in the same late June window as Fiji and Polaris. Hopefully the Vega GPU is not as underwhelming as the two previously launched GPUs. Nvidia is readying a monster Volta generation to pretty much repeat the thrashing they gave to AMD during the Maxwell generation. AMD are going to look stupid for the "Poor Volta" image in the Vega video.
 

swilli89

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I am hopeful for Vega. I want Vega to be great so that the industry we ALL love can get back to being healthy. Nvidia is milking the market hard due to lack of competition and AMD has been absent from the high end for a year now.

Hopefully Raja and his team have created something truly great with Vega. Just to put some historical perspective on what we may expect..

Apple hired away Raja Koduri in 2009. The last architecture to release that Raja most likely saw to completion was the launch of the Radeon 5870 http://www.anandtech.com/show/2841. In comparison to Fermi, this was the card to get for that generation.

Raja rejoined AMD from Apple in 2013 http://www.anandtech.com/show/6907/the-king-is-back-raja-koduri-leaves-apple-returns-to-amd

It will be just a bit over 4 years since Raja rejoined AMD that Vega will launch to market. Is 4 years enough to see a GPU go from drawing board to final product? Few here or anywhere doubt Raja's engineering brilliance.. Has he created Vega from scratch? (or distantly derived and heavily modified GCN?)
 
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I am hopeful for Vega. I want Vega to be great so that the industry we ALL love can get back to being healthy. Nvidia is milking the market hard due to lack of competition and AMD has been absent from the high end for a year now.

Hopefully Raja and his team have created something truly great with Vega. Just to put some historical perspective on what we may expect..

Apple hired away Raja Koduri in 2009. The last architecture to release that Raja most likely saw to completion was the launch of the Radeon 5870 http://www.anandtech.com/show/2841. In comparison to Fermi, this was the card to get for that generation.

Raja rejoined AMD from Apple in 2013 http://www.anandtech.com/show/6907/the-king-is-back-raja-koduri-leaves-apple-returns-to-amd

It will be just a bit over 4 years since Raja rejoined AMD that Vega will launch to market. Is 4 years enough to see a GPU go from drawing board to final product? Few here or anywhere doubt Raja's engineering brilliance.. Has he created Vega from scratch? (or distantly derived and heavily modified GCN?)

Nvidia is milking the market on prices, but they haven't been idle on chip design like Intel. Vega has a tough uphill battle. As we've seen with AMD's refresh, they are choosing not to compete in perf/w but unfortunately there is only so much wiggle room a high end GPU has when already past the 220-250w mark to stay within PCIe specifications, not be entirely lambasted in reviews, and leave a good first impression. Vega needs to get close to 1080 TI's efficiency, but just for a little perspective if full big Vega is as efficient as Fury X was vs. the 980 TI, then big Vega is looking at a 280 watt average power draw. Not much wiggle room there.... but anyways like I said, uphill battle.
 

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We are yet to see Vega and already Hynix has showcased GDDR6 wafers at Nvidia GTC 2017 confirming big Volta with GDDR6 in early 2018.

https://videocardz.com/69304/sk-hynix-showcases-first-gddr6-wafer-at-gtc-2017

Nvidia have overtaken ATI/AMD as the GPU company to bring cutting edge graphics memory to market. Nvidia have made very wise choices by going with G5X and G6 over HBM/HBM2 for consumer graphics. This has allowed them to avoid the major cost, yield and volume availability issues with HBM/HBM2. Its sad to see that ATI/AMD which brought GDDR5 to market first with HD 4870 are lagging so badly today in bringing the latest graphics memory technologies. Nvidia beat AMD even with HBM2 GPUs with their professional GP100 Teslas. Volta is likely to bring a repeat of Nvidia domination of GPU market which we saw during Maxwell generation.
 

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Not sure if it there is one, sebbi made a post about how Vega is really GCN 5, but that seems to contradict what Lisa Su said about Vega being a ground up design.

It's been said quite a few places, but this was the first result on google so;

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3009635/amd-to-show-off-vega-and-navi-gpu-tech-on-16-may

They cite WCCFTech as a source... very large grains of salt required on accuracy.
 

Harmaaviini

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Prepare to be astonished, then. People were saying the same thing around the time the Radeon RX 480 launched, that for sure it would be a hard launch at Computex:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3073...laris-gpu-updates-and-bristol-ridge-apus.html

That turned out to be a bust.

Launch dates of the past three GPUs from AMD:
"Polaris" AKA Radeon 400 series: June 29, 2016
"Fiji" AKA Radeon Fury series: June 24, 2015
"Grenada" AKA Radeon 3xx series: June 18, 2015

You may hear additional details about Vega via AMD livestream at Computex. You may even see a few carefully curated, canned demos and be promised that it is arriving soon™. I would not expect a hard launch of Vega before mid June because that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Then I misunderstood you when you said "If you're expecting Vega at Computex, you will likely be disappointed." I didn't realise you specifically meant a hard launch. I just thought it would be astonishing if Vega was absent from a large tradeshow.
 

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Not sure if it there is one, sebbi made a post about how Vega is really GCN 5, but that seems to contradict what Lisa Su said about Vega being a ground up design.
It seems that Vega will be the first GPU to have Infinity Fabric for an interconnect. We'll see if they are able to take the various bottlenecks and inefficiencies present in a chip the size of Fiji and resolve them with IF and a focused set of enhancements in trouble areas.

From past interviews with AMD staff, it seems they became painfully aware of the bottlenecks in performance in the Fiji GPU.
 

swilli89

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Not sure if it there is one, sebbi made a post about how Vega is really GCN 5, but that seems to contradict what Lisa Su said about Vega being a ground up design.



They cite WCCFTech as a source... very large grains of salt required on accuracy.
Exactly. First I have heard of Navi being the first instead of Vega was WCCFTech and its associated echo chambers. Zero remarks from AMD or anyone close to AMD about that. The only indication we have is that Raja has been there over 4 years which I believe should be plenty of time for him to have led the design of Vega and some comments from Lisa Su stating that Vega is a ground up design.
 

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Many of you are disadvantaged, but ask yourself this, can Titan or Ti do 8k...? Then why would AMD bother releasing big Vega, when little Vega handles 4k so well..?


Dr Su is trolling the naysayers. Vega x2 is real.
 

piesquared

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Navi's design characteristics are nexgen memory and scalability. Most likely scaling Vega, Vega being the building block. Surely the building block itself is something that Koduri would have led the creation of. No?
 
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