Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[Borealis7]

there is no market for a 550$ Vega that's slower than a 1080. the 1080s go for 500$ after the last price cut.

 

[Veradun]

there is no market for a 550$ Vega that's slower than a 1080. the 1080s go for 500$ after the last price cut.

RX580 8GB has its MSRP set at 229$. To that you can add up to 100$ for extreme AIB editions upping the price to 329$.

I guess a Vega variant or whatever at 399$ close to GTX1080 makes perfect sense, as well as a 599$ card close to Titan Xp.

 

[Mopetar]

there is no market for a 550$ Vega that's slower than a 1080. the 1080s go for 500$ after the last price cut.

I don't think we'll see a Vega slower than a 1080 unless it's a cutdown chip sold as a Nano, which probably only has 4 GB of VRAM. I expect that to go for ~$400 so it shouldn't have a problem.

Hopefully benchmarks start to trickle out soon so we have a better idea of what to minimally expect from consumer Vega.

 

[Oddzz]

This "Pioneer" is one of the first customers with a Vega FE in his hands. The link is showing all the posts he made at wccftech with screenshots of GPU-Z and apparently he wants to run some benchmarks as well.

 

[Glo.]

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Is this guy playing with fan speeds, power settings, anything? I really wish a tech Youtuber bit the bullet and gotten one today as well.

 

[Veradun]

He's on drivers 17.1.1, while he should be on 17.6, I don't honestly know what to think of these "tests" :>

(actually it seems I cannot understand 3DMark tests anyway)

 

[railven]

He's on drivers 17.1.1, while he should be on 17.6, I don't honestly know what to think of these "tests" :>

(actually it seems I cannot understand 3DMark tests anyway)

Not what was said in the other thread.
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...nchmarks-updated.2508928/page-7#post-38958632

 

[Veradun]

Not what was said in the other thread.
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...nchmarks-updated.2508928/page-7#post-38958632

Now I'm even more confused. Doesn't it say 17.1.1?

 

[Malogeek]

Now I'm even more confused. Doesn't it say 17.1.1?

Where?

 

[Veradun]

Where?

On GPU-Z

 

[Malogeek]

On GPU-Z

I'd rather trust what is sent to Futuremark, which by the Windows driver version, means it's 17.6 latest. Also 17.1 wouldn't even be able to recognize Vega.

 

[crisium]

I fully expect worse performance-per-flop than Polaris and would not be surprised to see it regress on Fiji, but that 3dmark score is hard to swallow even for the most stalwart pessimist. The PPF regression would be staggering. It would be perhaps the most inefficient use of shaders in a very long time.

In the driver team for July 30th we trust?

 

[Armsdealer]

Whycry has more sensible benchmarks than wccf, which are pretty nonsensical.

Looks to be 1080 stock+(5-15%) with little oc headroom. Basically vega is gp104 since the 1080 has some oc headroom. They'll have to push the pricing button to move product since volta is coming soon. If you think this thing is going to msrp at above 500 USD... No way. Even 500 USD is looking like the upper end of reasonable expectations. Base case should be 450 (maybe 400 at low end) for the full die and 1070 performance with a 2-handle and probably reasonable power consumption. The cut dies will probably be very popular with miners

 

[crisium]

Ah, yeah those are better for the eyes:

https://videocardz.com/70541/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-lands-in-the-hands-of-the-first-owner

Can compare with 1080 aftermarket.

Still major performance-per-flop regression compared to Fiji, was the worst PPF of the highend 28nm generation.

July 30th driver magic please.

 

[Bacon1]

I'd rather trust what is sent to Futuremark, which by the Windows driver version, means it's 17.6 latest. Also 17.1 wouldn't even be able to recognize Vega.

It would if the drivers came with the GPU (CD / USB)

 

[Bacon1]

Ah, yeah those are better for the eyes:

https://videocardz.com/70541/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-lands-in-the-hands-of-the-first-owner

Can compare with 1080 aftermarket.

Still major performance-per-flop regression compared to Fiji, was the worst PPF of the highend 28nm generation.

July 30th driver magic please.

Problem is we don't know what the actual clocks are. He said it wasn't staying at full clocks so that could be 1300, 1500 or 1600 clocks in the results. Until we get a clock graph next to the results we don't know... which is sad considering 3dmark does give you a clock graph and so would afterburner or other tools...

 

[cytg111]

Argh ... so Bulldozer? If price is right problary getting one anyway.

 

[zinfamous]

How I hope you're right. But given all the rumors, indications, and lack of any benchmarks from AMD in games, I doubt it. Also, given that RX 580 has nearly 50% more TFLOPS of GTX 1060, yet performs within 5% on average and consumes way more power, I don't think Vega will live up to your current expectations in performance.

Polaris isn't Vega, whereas Pascal is Pascal, across the entire line.

People seem to keep ignoring this.

 

[hoangcf]

Vega 11: Smaller chip, could replace some Polaris 10 products

 

[Ancalagon44]

Ah, yeah those are better for the eyes:

https://videocardz.com/70541/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-lands-in-the-hands-of-the-first-owner

Can compare with 1080 aftermarket.

Still major performance-per-flop regression compared to Fiji, was the worst PPF of the highend 28nm generation.

July 30th driver magic please.

Wow, nowhere near 1080Ti? Damn.

I'll probably buy one anyway, because typically AMD cards are better for mining than they are for gaming. The mining part of the equation means I can buy one for free essentially.

Regarding driver magic... the good thing about AMD is that we know the driver magic is real. If you look at back at their card history, they do make progress with their performance. Even older cards like R9 290 have got substantial boosts since release.

So, it is not unreasonable to think that in future, performance will rise from roughly equal to 1080 to a good 15% above 1080 - especially considering how different this architecture is.

The problem for AMD is that first impressions count, and a lot of gamers will not give Vega a second look if it doesn't review well.

 

[OatisCampbell]

Argh ... so Bulldozer? If price is right problary getting one anyway.

NO.
Bulldozer was far below intel, basically wasn't even comparable.
GTX1080 level performance is fine for everyone who isn't on a 4K monitor, and even good enough for many titles at 4K.

 

[Glo.]

No difference in performance between pro and game mode.

 

[OatisCampbell]

Wow, nowhere near 1080Ti? Damn.

I'll probably buy one anyway, because typically AMD cards are better for mining than they are for gaming. The mining part of the equation means I can buy one for free essentially.

Regarding driver magic... the good thing about AMD is that we know the driver magic is real. If you look at back at their card history, they do make progress with their performance. Even older cards like R9 290 have got substantial boosts since release.

So, it is not unreasonable to think that in future, performance will rise from roughly equal to 1080 to a good 15% above 1080 - especially considering how different this architecture is.

The problem for AMD is that first impressions count, and a lot of gamers will not give Vega a second look if it doesn't review well.

YES
This is what amazes me about this "launch".

No review samples is the equivalent of movies released directly to rental or theatres without prescreenings- not a good sign.

Phantom Edition availability and $1000/$1500 MSRP? Yeah that will thrill masses of gamers waiting for two years for FuryX follow up.

"Prosumer" card first? There just a "few" less programmers than video gamers. If you release a Phantom Edition gamer card that at least makes it into the hands of 20 review sites and a few hundred gamers the masses are whipped into a frenzy of anticipation and they will wait another month.

My re-spin theory is the only thing that makes sense to me here. Even if that's true the Frontier launch seems more damaging than positive to me.

I still believe a $499 RX with 1080 level performance and a Freesync monitor is a combination that must be considered in 2017, and that 1080Ti competition is not necessarily relevant.

 

[Veradun]

My re-spin theory is the only thing that makes sense to me here. Even if that's true the Frontier launch seems more damaging than positive to me.

That's also my theory. Using Financial Edition as name would have sound a bit shady, so they went for Frontier.