Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[Glo.]

Sounds like a really stupid thing to do. They have a couple of PCs running cherry picked games, lots of people, unfinished drivers. Yeah, what a great experience for sure.

Out of all the possible places they picked Budapest in the Europe? Wot?

One of best capitals in Europe. I absolutely love this country, and Budapest. Well, maybe because Im Polish .

 

[Tup3x]

One of best capitals in Europe. I absolutely love this country, and Budapest. Well, maybe because Im Polish .

Never been there. Germany would have made much more sense. It's basically in the middle of Europe.

 

[Glo.]

Never been there. Germany would have made much more sense. It's basically in the middle of Europe.

I seriously suggest going into Poland and Hungary. You will be surprised how well developed are those countries right now.

 

[Krteq]

Never been there. Germany would have made much more sense. It's basically in the middle of Europe.

Well, I'm Czech, right in the heart of Europe (sorry mate, Germany is not in the middle ) and I love Budapest too, been there twice on RedBull Air Race.

Anyway, still waiting for RX Vega unveiling and after those last rumors about drivers I'm more and more curious what's really going on.

 

[beginner99]

Also, AMD have said that they expected software to become more multithreaded quicker than it did.

And that oracle and co. started licensing by core instead of machine.

AMD certainly knows how to create a hype train.

And they are even better at derailing it on release day.

 

[psolord]

What would pulling off a GF110 mean?

GF110 was the fixed Fermi chip that came out a few months after the original one. Better performance, less power draw.

Maybe AMD plans to release what they have now and a newer version later on.

 

[guskline]

Budapest, is on my bucket list of cities to visit when I retire. Sounds like a wonderful city.

As far as AMD's "tour" it sure sounds like a controlled environment to buy time for a gpu that sounds like it just isn't ready for prime time.

Perhaps budget constraints at the RTG division are rearing their ugly head?

I sold one of my 2 RX480s in CF a couple months ago on the mistaken belief that Vega was polished and ready for release. (Made 2 mistakes. First sold my RX480 just before the mining craze and second, misjudged the relase time for consumer Vega). Hopefully, I've learned from these errors.

I'm fine with a single RX480 on my Ryzen 7 1800x rig since my monitor is 2560 x 1080 PLUS 2 other rigs with GTX 1080 and GTX 980TI SC gpus.

From a sheer performance standpoint, I would probably be better off buying another GTX 1080 or buying a GTX1080TI. However, when I built the 3rd rig I wanted to stay ALL AMD. No sense going to a RX580 (can't find them anyway due to mining unless you pay @$700-I'd buy a GTX1080TI!) and the FuryX is a step back in new technology. So I'm content to wait until RX Vega is available AND EK makes a waterblock for it. Realistically that will be near the end of this year.

At this juncture based upon the "haphazard" release of Vega FE, Nvidia is still in play for the Ryzen 1800X.

 

[CatMerc]

GF110 was the fixed Fermi chip that came out a few months after the original one. Better performance, less power draw.

Maybe AMD plans to release what they have now and a newer version later on.

Weren't Fermi's issues related to node and yields? Vega's node is very mature by this point.

 

[hoorah]

From a sheer performance standpoint, I would probably be better off buying another GTX 1080 or buying a GTX1080TI. However, when I built the 3rd rig I wanted to stay ALL AMD. So I'm content to wait until RX Vega is available AND EK makes a waterblock for it. Realistically that will be near the end of this year.

At this juncture based upon the "haphazard" release of Vega FE, Nvidia is still in play for the Ryzen 1800X.

I don't mean to derail the thread and I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, but why do you have 3 rigs and want to keep one all AMD? Are you the sole user of each or do others use them as well?

 

[EXCellR8]

"AMD Radeon RX VEGA XTX" is too long and has no numbers... how the hell are us dumb consumers supposed to decipher which is best?

 

[Malogeek]

"AMD Radeon RX VEGA XTX" is too long and has no numbers... how the hell are us dumb consumers supposed to decipher which is best?

By the price?

 

[Tee9000]

"AMD Radeon RX VEGA XTX" is too long and has no numbers... how the hell are us dumb consumers supposed to decipher which is best?

Chill bro. It's just a codename, not the actual marketing name. Frontier's Edition codename is GLXTX and you don't see that on the box.

 

[Paul98]

Well right now the FE looks like it just isn't good at gaming for its size and power. Now RX could pull something out if there are major portions of the architecture that are optimized for gaming that aren't being used atm. But I am not very hopeful considering what all has been said and shown so far, looks like if there are issues there is still a lot of work to get them working. Because if it was just small bugs we would have most likely seen demos with much better performance.

But after seeing Ryzen/Threadripper/Epyc, and the scalability talk for Navi, and the current issues with certain parts of GCN not being scaled for the larger chips. That could be something amazing, and very positive for AMD if they are able to do something similar on Navi that they are doing with Ryzen.

 

[Mopetar]

"AMD Radeon RX VEGA XTX" is too long and has no numbers... how the hell are us dumb consumers supposed to decipher which is best?

The one that has the most X's in it, obviously.

 

[Elixer]

"AMD Radeon RX VEGA XTX" is too long and has no numbers... how the hell are us dumb consumers supposed to decipher which is best?

ATI's Radeon X1950 XTX... so this is actually a rebrand!
Fun fact, this card would have cost $449 back then.

 

[Technotronic]

Chill bro. It's just a codename, not the actual marketing name. Frontier's Edition codename is GLXTX and you don't see that on the box.

Funny how we obsess over voltage, frequencies, and different BIOS versions but then whine about product names. Who cares?

 

[guskline]

I don't mean to derail the thread and I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, but why do you have 3 rigs and want to keep one all AMD? Are you the sole user of each or do others use them as well?

First why do I have 3 rigs? Because computers are my hobby. Just built a Ryzen 1600x with an Nvidia 1050TI for my daughter to replace an old AMD quad core rig that was running out of gas.

Simply my hobby. I don't golf!

I want an all AMD rig because AMD is the only one of the three (Intel, AMD & Nvidia) that makes both discrete cpus and gpus for consumers.

Intel has integrated gpus on their chips (including my 6700k) but for gaming I have discrete cpus and gpus.

I'm mostly the sole user of these rigs except when my son-in-law is over playing Dirt 4 on my 5960x with a gtx1080. ( I built him a 6700k with a RX460 at his home).

I hope that answers your questions.

P.S. For many years while my wife and I were raising our 3 daughters ( now all in their 30s) I could only afford 1 computer and upgrades were modest. They are all out of college and grad school, married and my wife and I have 6 grandchildren so now I have extra $$ to play around with computers and she has fun at Talbots!).

 

[hoorah]

Thats neat, I understand. I like building new systems too but I generally don't unless I have a specific use. Thats why I like finding projects to build for like HTPCs, servers, gaming console replacements, etc. Now my kids are getting old enough that they may start having their own systems so I may branch out into a second rig.

 

[.vodka]

What would pulling off a GF110 mean?

GTX 480 (GF100) -> GTX 580 (GF110)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580

There were some architectural level tweaks apart from different transistors being used to drive power down and increase clock speed limits, plus finally being able to ship a fully enabled GPU relative to GTX 480.

These kind of changes may or may not be possible to do with a future Vega revision.

On the CPU side of things, AMD did something similar with Zambezi -> Vishera.

ATI's Radeon X1950 XTX... so this is actually a rebrand!
Fun fact, this card would have cost $449 back then.

Great card! The only one that ever came out with GDDR4. That was one short lived memory technology.

 

[Headfoot]

There needs to be a very substantial uptick in performance at the eleventh hour for this thing not to be an absolute unmitigated turd. If the gap stays at what it is we're looking at a ATi 2900 XT vs 8800 GTX level sweep or worse. It would be literally the worst launch in AMD's history. At least Fury, for being underwhelming, wasn't a year late.

 

[Mopetar]

There needs to be a very substantial uptick in performance at the eleventh hour for this thing not to be an absolute unmitigated turd. If the gap stays at what it is we're looking at a ATi 2900 XT vs 8800 GTX level sweep or worse. It would be literally the worst launch in AMD's history. At least Fury, for being underwhelming, wasn't a year late.

The supposed RX Vega 3DMark11 scores give me a little more hope for Vega. If they manage to squeeze out another 10% through some combination of further driver enhancement or enabling features that aren't working yet, I think it will be able to position Vega squarely between the 1080 and the 1080 Ti, at least in terms of performance which gives it some wiggle room in terms of pricing as well.

The 16-bit float performance also has some good potential for future performance gains, but that's going to be squarely in the hands of developers. If nothing else, it does make Vega slightly more future-proof, or at least gives it the chance to have some legs, a bit like the 7970 which was a card that people seemed to get a lot of life out of compared to its contemporaries.

We may not see AMD be truly competitive until Navi though, but only if they're able to have as much success with the small, multi-die approach as with Ryzen.

 

[Paratus]

The supposed RX Vega 3DMark11 scores give me a little more hope for Vega. If they manage to squeeze out another 10% through some combination of further driver enhancement or enabling features that aren't working yet, I think it will be able to position Vega squarely between the 1080 and the 1080 Ti, at least in terms of performance which gives it some wiggle room in terms of pricing as well.

The 16-bit float performance also has some good potential for future performance gains, but that's going to be squarely in the hands of developers. If nothing else, it does make Vega slightly more future-proof, or at least gives it the chance to have some legs, a bit like the 7970 which was a card that people seemed to get a lot of life out of compared to its contemporaries.

We may not see AMD be truly competitive until Navi though, but only if they're able to have as much success with the small, multi-die approach as with Ryzen.

Still using a 7970 Ghz here. Beastly card. Still plays many games at 25x14 acceptably and has more than 1TF DP. (I'm also still playing games from 2014-2015)

I'll be replacing it and my entire rig around Christmas. So I'll have a chance to see how the Vega RX rollout happens. If some of the partner cards have good performance for the price I may still get it. Don't think I can stomach paying for the very highest performance while replacing my entire rig.


I'm also willing to cut AMD some slack. I've been happy with my last five cards from them. I also pay less than 7cents for kWh for 100% renewable energy and have a house with dual air conditioners .

(However if a Volta card is out with performance above 1080ti for less than 1070 money well.....)

 

[maddogmcgee]

Still using a 7970 Ghz here. Beastly card. Still plays many games at 25x14 acceptably and has more than 1TF DP. (I'm also still playing games from 2014-2015)

I'll be replacing it and my entire rig around Christmas. So I'll have a chance to see how the Vega RX rollout happens. If some of the partner cards have good performance for the price I may still get it. Don't think I can stomach paying for the very highest performance while replacing my entire rig.


I'm also willing to cut AMD some slack. I've been happy with my last five cards from them. I also pay less than 7cents for kWh for 100% renewable energy and have a house with dual air conditioners .

(However if a Volta card is out with performance above 1080ti for less than 1070 money well.....)

I bought one of those for my girlfriends PC. She is up to dragon age 2 at the moment, but a quick look at the benchmarks tells me she will be fine with 3 as well @ 1080p. For such an old card its a beast, that 3 gig ram really helps as well.

 

[Elixer]

We all got it all wrong!
I never knew lower was better!
Thanks Paige Tanner for setting the record straight.

http://marketrealist.com/2017/07/amd-plans-to-expand-radeon-vega-gpu-lineup-beyond-gaming/

all I have to say is...

 

[Stuka87]

WTF? The lower the better?