Well... Here's the thing. VEGA has larger die than GTX 1080 Ti and HBM2 on top of that. Can it really be cheaper than GTX 1080 Ti? I REALLY have my doubts. They are now taking the display price difference in to account because it looks like it's going to be pricier than GTX 1080. That's a pretty big fail since most are just going to buy a graphics card.699.- sounds mindboggling if FE perf is reflective of perf and perf/watt... as Einstein has put it before there must be hidden variables at play here... otherwise its just spooky action at a distance
You really think anyone will buy RX Vega at $699 if it's no faster at gaming than GTX 1080 and uses twice the power? Seriously? Who is going to do that?
699.- sounds mindboggling if FE perf is reflective of perf and perf/watt... as Einstein has put it before there must be hidden variables at play here... otherwise its just spooky action at a distance
699.- sounds mindboggling if FE perf is reflective of perf and perf/watt... as Einstein has put it before there must be hidden variables at play here... otherwise its just spooky action at a distance
First of all, there are some extremely profitable coins right now. You shouldn't downplay the mining. It is making these cards effectively free in a lot of cases. You are correct for a different reason though. Vega sucks for mining.
If it mines well they will sell each and every one they make. In my country RX 580 hardly stays on shelves even at 350+ Euros. (that's over $400, sales tax included)Will it sell in volume is the question.
For me I'd get a 1070 instead. Vega IS faster at 37MH/s rather than 32MH/s, but uses 3x the power or so and its immature. 1070's are also significantly lower than $500. Nvidia's drivers also tend to be much superior to AMD's. Actually, a 1060 is a better choice since its not much of a loss in performance for much lower price. I see a very unfortunate situation coming for AMD where they even lose the niche advantage they had, which is mining, come Volta.
you'd wait quite a good bit thenKind of, but built into those iMac Pro's (So not AIO of course.). Suspect that a Nano equivalent would perform roughly like a 1070, so very hard to justify.
I'd just wait a bit and get an air cooled Volta xx60..... Should be about the all park performance.
Keep in mind the rumored price of $699 is for the water cooled version, which always carries a premium. I can't imagine the normal version being higher than $499. That's where the price comparison is being done with the freesync stuff.
Kind of, but built into those iMac Pro's (So not AIO of course.). Suspect that a Nano equivalent would perform roughly like a 1070, so very hard to justify.
I'd just wait a bit and get an air cooled Volta xx60..... Should be about the all park performance.
Once initial interest dies down, AMD will do as AMD does and price cut it. Get as much as you can while you can!
A cut down R9 Fury had a launch MSRP $100 less than the full-die, watercooled R9 Fury X. I don't see that changing to a $200 gap...
But I also am unsure about this rumored $699 price.
AMD can make a profit per unit even at 300$ if they write off R&D expenses. It will be shit Polaris like margins, but they can do it. HBM2 and the die size aren't blocks for pricing.
If it's 699$, I imagine there's some reason for it.
nope, not buying nVidia. but I do need something relatively compact and low heat--I'm putting it in a miniATX case
Nano sized card at 250-300W? That's never going to happen.All I asked for was an AIO, nano-sized card @ ~1080 performance and @ ~250-300W. damn you AMD! (pretty much certain at this point that this is all impossible, right?...well this year maybe)
$699 would be an...."optimistic" launch price in my opinion.
To launch same/lower performance at higher power/heat with only FreeSync as your "ace in the hole" seems unwise to me. 1080Tis offering much more performance (based on what we've seen only) can be had for that:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125989&cm_re=1080Ti-_-14-125-989-_-Product
I think this is a good candidate for "hidden variable"...It's pretty simple. Ryzen dies have higher margin, even for the R5 ones compared to a GPU not to mention EPYC. So if they can fill the fabs with Ryzen and some Vega compute cards at >$1000 that works out well for AMD. RX Vega is simply a halo part to be able to say we are offering a product there. Doesn't really matter if it sells well. In fact best if it doesn't sell well at all because Ryzen and Radeon instinct get much higher margins.
nope, not buying nVidia. but I do need something relatively compact and low heat--I'm putting it in a miniATX case