Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[guachi]

Huge hype machine? The hype on this has been miniscule. If you have been worked into a frenzy about Vega you only have yourself to blame.

 

[SickBeast]

Huge hype machine? The hype on this has been miniscule. If you have been worked into a frenzy about Vega you only have yourself to blame.

I think typically people get pretty hyped up about AMD launches. I know I do. It's that whole "Davey and goliath" thing. I always hope to see AMD become a giant killer and outdo Intel or nVidia with a fraction of the R&D budget. The simple fact that AMD is still in this game tells you something. They are talented.

 

[tviceman]

Freesync pricing?

Valid point.

Perhaps they want to root for the underdog?
Dislikes the other companies past (or current) behavior/tactics?
Likes AMD's open source initiatives?

There are lots of people that don't really care about TDP, don't recall anyone asking any sales people what the TDP is of the GPU/CPU, it just isn't a bullet point listed in the card specs on a system or a box.

I can appreciate rooting for an underdog, but I will never, ever award piss poor products nor will I ever recommend one.

 

[Udgnim]

Vega hype should have been killed once Frontier Edition #s came out

 

[Veradun]

Huge hype machine? The hype on this has been miniscule.

I agree. They actually really hyped Vega only regarding Instinct MI25 and later Frontier Edition. The only let's say consumer oriented stuff have been the video and now the blind tests, The video had a specific slogan:

Make. Some. Noise.

It seems the message came through very well :>

 

[misuspita]

I can appreciate rooting for an underdog, but I will never, ever award piss poor products nor will I ever recommend one.

We still don't know the exact performance of gaming Vega. Ok, it might not be the 1080Ti killer some hoped, but everything depends on price. If it performs at 1080 levels, and will have 1080 price, it will be good value. Anyone having a Freesync monitor and buys in that price range will get one. I personally don't care about power as long as the perf is there

 

[wanderica]

If someone is brand neutral and Vega more or less matches a 1080 on price AND performance, why would a consumer choose the hotter running, higher TDP card?

Simply put, because most don't know anything about TDP, heat or power consumption. That's mostly an enthusiast metric. The first 3 cards I bought were an add-in Voodoo 3 PCI, a 7800 GTX, and an 8800 GTX. To this day I can't tell you the specs on them. Heck, I didn't even know enough back in the day to know why I wanted AGP not PCI. I only knew that my People PC didn't have an AGP port.

Today, that is a different story. PC building has become my hobby, like most of us, and I try to be as knowledgeable about new hardware as NFL die hards are about the new rule changes. I would be just as lost in a fantasy football league as most of the world is when it comes to PC hardware. Nothing quite like watching your coworkers' eyes glaze over when you get excited about that new trackball you just imported from Japan. I'm off topic, but my point is that most people only know enough to want the best product for the least amount of money within their price bracket, and they depend on salespeople to get that done. Marketed correctly, Vega at 1080 performance levels and price can sell reasonably well despite the high power usage. $700 is outrageous though. I don't believe that price for a minute. That would be a complete 180 from their current overall business strategy since Ryzen launch.

 

[Bouowmx]

The intended customers, computer builders who buy high-end dedicated graphics cards, do not know enough to check power characteristics and whether their power supplies are sufficient. what. You got to give them a bit more credit.

Higher power is more cost of ownership, however this point is rarely discussed.

Though most of those customers likely have > 500 W power supplies sufficient for 1 CPU and 1 AMD Vega GPU.

 

[3DVagabond]

If someone is brand neutral and Vega more or less matches a 1080 on price AND performance, why would a consumer choose the hotter running, higher TDP card?

Well, there are reasons others have mentioned. Freesync is one example. There could be other features too. Even software like particular games or other apps. Wanting the tech like HBM. A reference card that's built like a proverbial tank. Or a combination of the above.

But, when I said performance I meant it all encompassing. It was a general question. I'm not saying Vega will match 1080 (ti) in all metrics, but if it did why wouldn't someone choose it over the nVidia offering that's been around longer? Being around longer has few benefits as a consumer IF the newer product actually matches it. There's the likelihood of longer support, for example. With AMD especially continued performance gains.

I understand that some people need a very strong reason to buy AMD (or nVidia). Even the *5870 wasn't good enough for many many to switch. They thought Fermi was better. And IIRC in compute loads they were right. That's OK too. It's their money.



*I mention 5870 because that was the last time AMD obliterated anything nVidia had available. the 200 series kept selling though. Even though it was much older.

 

[wanderica]

The intended customers, computer builders who buy high-end dedicated graphics cards, do not know enough to check power characteristics and whether their power supplies are sufficient. what. You got to give them a bit more credit.

Higher power is more cost of ownership, however this point is rarely discussed.

Though most of those customers likely have > 500 W power supplies sufficient for 1 CPU and 1 AMD Vega GPU.

My post was from the consumer's point of view, not the OEM system builder's. I hadn't considered that the bulk of Vega sales would come from that market. Thanks for pointing it out. That certainly would change things a bit, although what the consumer sees would change little unless they were looking at a multi-GPU purchase in a pre-built system. When configuring or choosing their preferred PC, they would certainly be given a choice of GPU, and if the price and performance are the same, then people tend to fall back on public opinion, reviews, and salesperson advice, not which one uses more power.

 

[3DVagabond]

Ugly as hell compared to that non descript slab?

AIO is what this needs.

Yes. Some would call it clean classic lines. I was hoping for a Founders Edition shroud but in red, backplate and all. But literally "almost" anything is better looking to me than nVidia's reference shroud.

I agree about the AIO.

 

[biostud]

Huge hype machine? The hype on this has been miniscule. If you have been worked into a frenzy about Vega you only have yourself to blame.

I would say that the "poor Volta" thing was meant to build a hype around vega.

 

[amenx]

I wonder if all major review sites will get samples. Or will they be very selective on who gets them.

 

[PeterScott]

Huge hype machine? The hype on this has been miniscule. If you have been worked into a frenzy about Vega you only have yourself to blame.

AMD has been dropping teasers and talking smack for half a year. They showed video of Vega Playing doom in January.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku5OMWYVKSs
"Check out one of the first demos of Vega in action, playing DOOM on Ultra setting at 4K, consistently hitting 60+ FPS, taking advantage of the Vulkan™ API. Are you excited for Vega? "

This has been the longest hyped, most dragged out Video card release in history.

AMD has just been endlessly hyping and delivering nothing.

 

[tviceman]

We still don't know the exact performance of gaming Vega. Ok, it might not be the 1080Ti killer some hoped, but everything depends on price. If it performs at 1080 levels, and will have 1080 price, it will be good value. Anyone having a Freesync monitor and buys in that price range will get one. I personally don't care about power as long as the perf is there

We don't know RX Vega's performance any less than we know my chances of walking onto an NFL tryout and making the cut.

 

[Crumpet]

We don't know RX Vega's performance any less than we know my chances of walking onto an NFL tryout and making the cut.

Well, that's higher than my chances. If I tried walking onto an NFL try out i'd drown under 4,500 miles of ocean.

 

[OatisCampbell]

The intended customers, computer builders who buy high-end dedicated graphics cards, do not know enough to check power characteristics and whether their power supplies are sufficient. what. You got to give them a bit more credit.

Higher power is more cost of ownership, however this point is rarely discussed.

Though most of those customers likely have > 500 W power supplies sufficient for 1 CPU and 1 AMD Vega GPU.

It's a pretty meaningless cost, so the only people with much reason to care are miners and HTPC case people.

If a person games five hours a day the difference in a 150w card and a 300W card is 750W a day. 1Kwh of electricity costs thirteen cents, so 750W costs ten cents a day more. People buying $500 video cards probably don't think about an extra three bucks a month on their utility bill.

If you have a small case or run a card 24/7 mining, I agree with your point. Power is a much bigger deal for those users. High end users are used to 300W plus cards, although in this case they can get more performance for it with a 1080Ti.

If AMD can launch this with a AIO for $599 I think it will be a good seller. If they launch the slab for $499, I think it will be a good seller.

If they launch the slab for $699.......

 

[zinfamous]

We don't know RX Vega's performance any less than we know my chances of walking onto an NFL tryout and making the cut.

I don't know you, but I think I can make a 99.4% accurate prediction on that.

 

[Maverick177]

I don't know you, but I think I can make a 99.4% accurate prediction on that.

I'm sure the RX Vega 3d mark leak does matter, whether you like it or not.

 

[Tup3x]

AMD has been dropping teasers and talking smack for half a year. They showed video of Vega Playing doom in January.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku5OMWYVKSs
"Check out one of the first demos of Vega in action, playing DOOM on Ultra setting at 4K, consistently hitting 60+ FPS, taking advantage of the Vulkan™ API. Are you excited for Vega? "

This has been the longest hyped, most dragged out Video card release in history.

AMD has just been endlessly hyping and delivering nothing.

Ahh... I don't know about that though. BitBoys Axe, Glaze3D... Well, ATI bought them so I guess it all makes sense now. xD

 

[tential]

Perhaps they want to root for the underdog?

I wonder how many of those we have here who are simply rooting for the underdog rather than giving both vendors a solid chance.

Seems people are just content with giving any reason under the sun why Vega will do well. The pricing thing is great now we have it where amd is potentially pricing over the real card price because freesync monitors a real cheaper. Basically negates the freesync advantage.

 

[Crumpet]

I wonder how many of those we have here who are simply rooting for the underdog rather than giving both vendors a solid chance.

In political terms you could call me left-centre.

I'm in it for the technology and innovation, no matter who provides it. But, I prefer to support AMD when I feasibly and justifiably can.

(I'm British, rooting for the underdog is in our blood)

 

[zinfamous]

I'm sure the RX Vega 3d mark leak does matter, whether you like it or not.

I was gonna be like, I'm not talking about Rx Vega in that response...but then realized that I misread his comment "any less."

 

[tential]

In political terms you could call me left-centre.

I'm in it for the technology and innovation, no matter who provides it. But, I prefer to support AMD when I feasibly and justifiably can.

(I'm British, rooting for the underdog is in our blood)

I thought I was neutral, but I just don't like to buy Nvidia. I love the company, but I hate contributing to a winner.
Own Nvidia stock buy amd gpus is how I prefer to go.

Something about everything Nvidia does irks me.

I say I buy amd because I'm price conscious but I'd never let someone see my purchase history on Amazon or my Amex to verify that.....

I'm hoping for some preorder details for Vega. Can't wait to Yolo my hard earned money away

 

[n0x1ous]

https://videocardz.com/71292/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-official-pictures-leaked

Interesting that they are doing 2 different blowers.....