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Crumpet

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I thought I was neutral, but I just don't like to buy Nvidia. I love the company, but I hate contributing to a winner.
Own Nvidia stock buy amd gpus is how I prefer to go.

Something about everything Nvidia does irks me.

I say I buy amd because I'm price conscious but I'd never let someone see my purchase history on Amazon or my Amex to verify that.....

I'm hoping for some preorder details for Vega. Can't wait to Yolo my hard earned money away

I got pretty burned by 3.5Gb Gate and the bout of random Nvidia blue screen drivers, so that left me with a pretty sour taste in my mouth.
 

tential

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judging by how fancy that aio is on the Vega FE compared the Fury X. I expect at least $100 premium
Ok I missed that entirely please explain? What's new in this cooler? I thought fury x already had a good cooler other than the pump fiasco.

I love that amd is pushing wc at the highend.
 

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I doubt RX Vega will have the same AIO setup as FE. Mainly because they won't be able to charge the same premium.

I think it will only because I can't see them designing another AIO just for the RX version. Plus all the leaks point to a full length pcb design (which it needs for the reservoir tank where the blower fan would normally be). If it was going to be different I would expect a shorter card or PCB like Fury X but theres no way they would make 2 pcbs for this

Maybe these really high price rumors are going to be for the LCS version only.
 
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What about these rumours of the smallest Vega having DDR6 over HBM2.

Could we be talking Rx590 here?
 

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What about these rumours of the smallest Vega having DDR6 over HBM2.

Could we be talking Rx590 here?

I haven't heard anything credible about that. I would be surprised to see it. They seem to have tied themselves to HBM
 

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To me, that sounds like it would reference the smaller Vega 11 not a variant of Vega 10 but I could be wrong.....A few days to go....

Yes Vega 11.

Perhaps thats why the supposed Rx 490/590 disappeared, because RTG was working on a lower end Vega?

Pure speculation on my part, bring on Sunday.
 
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I think it will only because I can't see them designing another AIO just for the RX version. Plus all the leaks point to a full length pcb design (which it needs for the reservoir tank where the blower fan would normally be). If it was going to be different I would expect a shorter card or PCB like Fury X but theres no way they would make 2 pcbs for this

Maybe these really high price rumors are going to be for the LCS version only.
It would make sense to price it high from a manufacturing cost perspective. Unfortunately it wouldn't make much sense from a performance comparison perspective. I can't see a high quality AIO version priced $100 over a 1080ti (for example) with performance between 1080 and 1080ti at most.
 

Elixer

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You know those "blind" tests?
Well.. here you go...
We called for interested gamers to come by and give Radeon RX Vega graphics a spin before its launch in a few weeks. We wanted them to see for themselves how Radeon RX Vega graphics cut through a gorgeous-looking game like Battlefield™ 1, with the assistance of a curved, ultra-wide 1440p ASUS FreeSync™ monitor.

A Dual Setup
To make the experience more interesting, we deployed an identical system alongside it—only it sported a GeForce GTX 1080 with a similar G-Sync monitor.

Both monitors were running up to 100Hz. Both systems had Ryzen™ 7 1800X CPUs and 16GB of DDR4 memory. To avoid influencing opinions during gameplay, we didn’t allow frame rates to be shown. We gave every interested gamer two minutes to play on each machine.

The two panels were not identical: the FreeSync (MX34Q) version was VA, with slightly better viewing angles, while the G-Sync (PG34) was IPS, with somewhat better contrast and color reproduction.

We adjusted the monitor settings as much as possible to mask this, but people recognized that one of the displays had slightly better colors.

That said, the biggest difference between the two systems was the price based simply on the monitor itself, with the G-Sync display costing $300 more than its FreeSync counterpart. (That’s about the price of an overclocked mid-range graphics card or two top-of-the-line SSDs!)

The Main Question
The point of this challenge was: could a trained gamer’s eyes tell the difference?

Did one seem faster or smoother than the other? Most gamers said the left system was smoother. Others mentioned the right system was more colorful. Some members on /r/amd, based on available information, argued that the left system had to be the G-Sync monitor because of its IPS panel characteristics.

Though the Radeon RX Vega + FreeSync (left system) came out on top for most gamers, they said the differences were minimal and couldn’t really tell the difference.

So here’s the question every gamer will have to ask themselves: is the Nvidia G-Sync solution worth the extra few hundred bucks if it provides almost the same (or in the Budapest case, somewhat inferior) experience?

Even if we pitted Radeon RX Vega against the mightier GeForce 1080Ti, my money would still bet on a similar outcome: that you wouldn’t really be able to tell the difference with variable refresh rate. And I believe no gamer should ever consider buying a monitor that isn’t capable of variable refresh rate.
https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/vega-freesync-budapest/?sf101934658=1
 

Elixer

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AMD has been dropping teasers and talking smack for half a year. They showed video of Vega Playing doom in January.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku5OMWYVKSs
"Check out one of the first demos of Vega in action, playing DOOM on Ultra setting at 4K, consistently hitting 60+ FPS, taking advantage of the Vulkan™ API. Are you excited for Vega? "

This has been the longest hyped, most dragged out Video card release in history.

AMD has just been endlessly hyping and delivering nothing.
This, and yes, the whole...
mega hype thing.
They have been constantly doing this for quite awhile now, all the way back to the first showing with Rene(sp?) showing off Vega playing that Star Wars game, then all the twitter posts, and everything else.

That is all 100% marketing hype.
 
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tential

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The marketing "hype" complaints aren't really tangible. It's the "Vega will be a 4k gpu" that irks me. 1080ti perf minimum is really a true 4k gpu. This just doesn't fit the bill they promised with 4k.
 

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I mean on the CPU side AMD gave us pretty credible demos - Blender and Cinebench. In comparison this just seems meh... Up next; Hitman blind comparisons? Or maybe Ashes of the singularity?

regardless, I look forward to reviews.
 

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I mean they are both 100hz monitors so running at their max refresh seems normal to me.

I'm a pessimist.

To me, it means one of them isn't as fast as the other, so they are capped at 100hz to show they can be comparable.
 

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For HardOCP's test

Both systems also had v-sync on and since Kyle used the 1080ti, it wasn't ever really in the G-sync range anyway. DOOM doesn't have an fps cap setting and no fps cap tool was used.
 

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I'm a pessimist.

To me, it means one of them isn't as fast as the other, so they are capped at 100hz to show they can be comparable.

You'd get tearing running uncapped. Their argument about gpu+monitor would be invalid too. It's definitely a specific use case, but it's still valid how they did it. Also if Vega was running at 75fps and 1080 @ 100fps I don't think anyone would have felt Vega was smoother. To me that says Vega is running along side the 1080 upto 100fps.
 

Elixer

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From the article I linked above...
Even if we pitted Radeon RX Vega against the mightier GeForce 1080Ti, my money would still bet on a similar outcome: that you wouldn’t really be able to tell the difference with variable refresh rate. And I believe no gamer should ever consider buying a monitor that isn’t capable of variable refresh rate.

With this logic...
They could have pitted a Radeon RX Vega vs the Radeon RX 580, my money would still bet on a similar outcome: that you wouldn’t really be able to tell the difference with variable refresh rate.

So, why would you spend "$500-$700" (or more?) on Vega when you can spend $250-$300 on a RX580 if you are only going to play BF1 & Doom?

This is why this whole "blind" test is a load of hooey.
 
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Crumpet

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You'd get tearing running uncapped. Their argument about gpu+monitor would be invalid too. It's definitely a specific use case, but it's still valid how they did it. Also if Vega was running at 75fps and 1080 @ 100fps I don't think anyone would have felt Vega was smoother. To me that says Vega is running along side the 1080 upto 100fps.

Freesync would disguise any dips in performance.
 
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