Siggraph 2017 begins tomorrow and lasts several days. Does anyone know when the NDA is lifted / announcement for RX Vega should be?
I know what proper blind testing is (Ideally it should be double blind). But this isn't it. Hence why I used "blind testing" in quotes. This isn't proper blind testing.
Here it is being misused, to obfuscate and mislead.
We should use the real tested numbers to determine the actual performance of cards, that is object and clear data.
Then we can have subjective blind testing to determine a point after which more FPS don't matter, if that is important to you. I have long felt that there is a lot of placebo effect involved in the obsession for ultra high frame rates. So I would love to see some proper blind testing to determine where these points typically are for most people. But this lame marketing stunt is not that.
The way the this marketing ploy was applied, you could just as easily substitute the other way and use a GTX 1070 "blind" vs a Vega, and show similar results and then jump to the equally meaningless conclusion that Vega is equal to a GTX 1070.
Yeah again it seems like you are off base. A situation like this, when considering independent ("blind") reporting of uninformed ("blind") subjects, is basically identical to a double blind test.
...Everything used in marketing is a "marketing ploy"... So... Good game?
They told everyone @PDXLAN that "all your questions will be answered @SIGGRAPH."No live streaming from Siggraph... they must really wajnt to sweep this turd under the rug. This is basically 100% confirmation that all the bad news is true, that RX Vega will struggle to compete with GTX 1080 and yet be priced higher.
#FireRaja
MSRP is standard practice.I'd advise you to look up the actual price of those monitors. It would make the RX Vega more expensive than the nVidia card.
That, is in no way, equivalent to a properly designed double blind experiment. It is ignorant to suggest that it is.
Terrible game.
If Vega is outclassed by GTX 1080 Ti, when it finally gets tested, it makes AMD look like they were trying scam people.
I also know it would be "ignorant" to completely discount a "blind test", like you did, simply because there are other methods available. In fact "ignorant" is an understatement since AMD are obviously not even ready to release product information yet (release in a day or two), so even the concept of full disclosure is silly.
Lastly, it is the interpretation which makes AMD look like they are trying to scam people. By definition normal people will interpret the information normally. But it obviously there will be loudmouths who will be overwhelmingly negative without any real information.
It looks like it wont be even paper launch.Just another wait another month event.No live streaming from Siggraph... they must really wajnt to sweep this turd under the rug. This is basically 100% confirmation that all the bad news is true, that RX Vega will struggle to compete with GTX 1080 and yet be priced higher.
#FireRaja
What concrete information does this bizarre test that AMD did, actually provide?
If someone does vague, meaningless "tests", and then suggests X = Y, and if it turns out that X != Y, then they certainly were trying to mislead people.
They're going to never live this down.AMD is in the business of FPS, yeah, that is "Feels Per Second".
It basically says, that at least 2 games out of the thousands out there, and with 2 high end monitors, people couldn't seem to know what system is what.What concrete information does this bizarre test that AMD did, actually provide?
It basically says, that at least 2 games out of the thousands out there, and with 2 high end monitors, people couldn't seem to know what system is what.
The current 'tour' was so limited in scope, that the only conclusion that can be made is that Vega + a $1099 monitor performed as well as a 1080 + a $1299 monitor for BF1 & DOOM.
What concrete information does this bizarre test that AMD did, actually provide?
If someone does vague, meaningless "tests", and then suggests X = Y, and if it turns out that X != Y, then they certainly were trying to mislead people.
If Vega is equivalent to a GTX 1080 Ti, then they just look idiots, but at least not scammers.
We should know one of these months which case it is.
They told everyone @PDXLAN that "all your questions will be answered @SIGGRAPH."
I guess they will spoon feed sites with more nuggets.
There is no site, that I am aware of, that has a review card either.
It is completely possible that this won't actually be a (paper) launch at all, and they will wait until the end of August to do a launch.
I don't have proof that specific people here are AMD viral. I simply have proof that AMD viral marketing does exist. At least one shill has been found on ATF before. AMD is continuing their viral marketing program to this day. I would say to you that ATF would probably be one of their biggest targets. Heck, there was a huge "AMD zone" section on the AT main page some time ago, I assume paid for by AMD. In effect AT was AMD sponsored.
You saying AMD is playing dirty?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSMJRyxG0k&t=5s
This is trolling. Its not allowed.
Take your tin-foil hat conspiracy tales elsewhere.
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It basically says, that at least 2 games out of the thousands out there, and with 2 high end monitors, people couldn't seem to know what system is what.
Do we expect AMD to test thousands of games out there in a test? No.
If they would have used double blind testing, where AMD had no idea what game is being tested, then, there wouldn't be any arguing about it at all.
The current 'tour' was so limited in scope, that the only conclusion that can be made is that Vega + a $1099 monitor, that it performed as well as a 1080 + a $1299 monitor for BF1 & DOOM with freesync tech.
Minor quibble:
Doesn't EVERY company do this?