Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[3DVagabond]

AMD keeps falling further behind Nvidia all the time. GCN 1.1 beat Kepler; GCN 1.2 fell somewhat short of the top Maxwell; now it looks like GCN 1.4 is going to fall way, way short of the best Pascal cards.

The Volta GTX 1160 (or 2060 or whatever it gets called) will be as powerful as the GTX 1080, with a TDP of 120W, and a price of probably $299-$349. When Volta drops, AMD's entire GPU lineup is pretty much obsolete as far as gaming is concerned. They would have to set prices so low that it would be below manufacturing cost.

No reviews yet but I've seen reports for Vega 64 being 15% faster than 1080. The Vega 56 should be equal or maybe slightly better for $399. And they're listing TDP at ~220W IIRC. Assuming performance is as I've seen rumored most recently, why wouldn't that $399 card sell really well? Keep in mind that quite a few people prefer AMD's open ecosystem where they aren't getting gouged for every new feature. I'll take Freesync support and the best support for Vulcan and DX12, GTX 1080 performance, for $400.

I haven't looked back to verify those numbers. It's my best recollection. I believe they are correct though.

 

[Elixer]

Here is the livestream going on now...
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djGXLmbXaNGZ

No idea how long it will last, seems AMD is trying to take these down.

 

[PeterScott]

No reviews yet but I've seen reports for Vega 64 being 15% faster than 1080. The Vega 56 should be equal or maybe slightly better for $399. And they're listing TDP at ~220W IIRC. Assuming performance is as I've seen rumored most recently, why wouldn't that $399 card sell really well? Keep in mind that quite a few people prefer AMD's open ecosystem where they aren't getting gouged for every new feature. I'll take Freesync support and the best support for Vulcan and DX12, GTX 1080 performance, for $400.

From what I read, AMD themselves are saying Vega 64 trades blows with GTX 1080 and Vega 56 with GTX 1070.

 

[Muhammed]

No reviews yet but I've seen reports for Vega 64 being 15% faster than 1080.

Nope, both TPU and Anand are stating it only trade blows with the 1080. It wins some and loses some.

Instead, what we’ve been told is to expect the Vega 64 to “trade blows” with NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 1080.

AMD provided some internal performance numbers from their own testing, so as always take these with a grain of salt. These tests were done on an Intel Core i7-7700K at 4.2 GHz, 16 GB of DDR4-3000 MHz RAM and with the latest available drivers for the AMD and NVIDIA GPUs at the time. Refer to the complete slide deck at the end for full testing information, but there was nothing that caught our eye otherwise. The chosen games were all running on DX12 or Vulkan APIs, and the order of the four GPUs being presented is certainly on purpose but looking purely at the numbers and no more it appears that RX Vega 64 trades blows with the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 at stock settings under WQHD (21:9, 1440p).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11680...-vega-64-399-rx-vega-56-launching-in-august/3
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_Preview/2.html

 

[happy medium]

No reviews yet but I've seen reports for Vega 64 being 15% faster than 1080

Can I see these reports?


It looks to me that a $600/700, power hungry, water cooled/air cooled Vega has about = performance to a $514 aftermarket gtx1080.
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/gigabyte-gtx-1080-msi-gtx1080-515-00-shipped.2512543/

 

[JDG1980]

RTG = Really Terrible Gaming

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[tential]

I dont like limited edition huge premium.We all knows how it was when GTX1070/1080 launched.Everyone and thier dog ignore "normal" prices and every aftermarket card cost more than FE.Aftermarket vega64 will probably cost 600-650USD and not 500-550USD.

I also dont like they cutdown second card more and more.290 and normal fury have same memory bandwidth as 290x/furyx.Vega 56 have only 410Gb/s so full vega have 20% higher memory badwidth.

It looks like AMD copying NVs worst things-FE and more cutdowns cards...

AMD has consistently done similar things to what people complained about with Nvidia this genereation. It just goes to show that many people here are simply cheerleading their favorite GPU maker.
When AMD announced that they were launching Vega at Siggraph I told people that it would not mean the GPUs would be available or that reviews would be available and many posters here jumped down my throat saying I was wrong and quoting AMD's twitter posts about this.
At this point, I think AMD does have a good following of users who simply want AMD products and really aren't brand agnostic.

All of AMD's benefits are becoming harder and harder to justify to me.

 

[JDG1980]

Here is the livestream going on now...
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djGXLmbXaNGZ

No idea how long it will last, seems AMD is trying to take these down.

That is hilarious. Highlights include Raja talking about the non-toxic glue in the WX 9100's packing box, repeated lighting gaffes, and the presenters messing up the "With SSG" and "Without SSG" labels, so the SSD-enabled card looked much choppier. (Raja figured this one out after about 30 seconds.)

 

[zinfamous]

hmm, Vega 56 is now more intriguing to me...or the nano, whatever that is....I wonder if that little card is actually the 56? If so, that would be damn perfect for my plans, assuming it can push this thing properly, which is my current target for a display, and in a small form factor case (fractal design nano case).

...that's all I ask. ...and if such card is included in one of those $200-off freesync Vega bundles? well, donkey poops: all the better.

 

[Elixer]

Well, if there is any good news here, it sure isn't aimed at the gaming crowd, that is more of a thud than anything else.
Vega is squarely geared toward the more professional crowd, and from what we see from the show, that will be their main focus.
At least they will make more $$$ selling to that crowd than the gaming crowd.
The 8K demo is really impressive.

Raja just scored a $50K 8K camera, that was gifted to him--and he gave it away to India's #1 film director. So, he re-gifted the gift, in front of the guy that gave it to him.

 

[tential]

So according to Anandtech's article, all three Vegas are Vega 10. So what happened to Vega 11?

This was reported awhile ago but Vega 11 comes out holiday season/2018.

It's most likely an RX 580/570 replacement due to it being slower than Vega 10, having additional power saving features, etc. etc.

 

[Despoiler]

That is hilarious. Highlights include Raja talking about the non-toxic glue in the WX 9100's packing box, repeated lighting gaffes, and the presenters messing up the "With SSG" and "Without SSG" labels, so the SSD-enabled card looked much choppier. (Raja figured this one out after about 30 seconds.)

At least Raja didn't snap on his subordinates like JHH did during the Pascal launch when that dude couldn't read his mind for unscripted slide changes.

 

[JDG1980]

Radeon Pro WX 9100: $2,199
Radeon Pro SSG 2TB: $6,999

 

[Elixer]

This is where the big $$$ is...

No need for gamer's spending <$1K, time to get the big whales spending >$2K++++++++

Whoa, and they are going to Open Source lots of this stuff!! <<-- THIS is what I love about AMD.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I am just thinking how bad it will be in 2018. GV106 - performance between GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 at 120-130w. How can AMD sell Vega 10 at USD 500 in 2018 when the GV106 will sell for roughly same performance at USD 250 and draws less than half the power of Vega 10.

The difference won't be anywhere near that big. Volta generation probably brings ~30% improvements meaning you get GTX 1070 with GTX 1060 price range. Also, this year we'll see Pascal refresh. Volta consumer is next year.

 

[Stuka87]

This was reported awhile ago but Vega 11 comes out holiday season/2018.

It's most likely an RX 580/570 replacement due to it being slower than Vega 10, having additional power saving features, etc. etc.

Vega11 is a LARGER chip than Vega10, not smaller (Polaris was the opposite).

 

[JDG1980]

In Raja's presentation so far, RX Vega was gotten out of the way at the start in literally about 30 seconds. They've since been going on for nearly an hour about the professional cards and other stuff. (Got someone on there now who did work on Rogue One.) This shows where their priorities are with Vega. Like I said, don't expect a good gaming card from AMD now, or ever again.

 

[3DVagabond]

Note that the comparison charts claim an advantage over GTX 1080 in minimum FPS, but no mention of GTX 1080 Ti numbers - because we all know at this point that 1080 Ti would blow away Vega in every gaming benchmark known to man.

Better minimums than GTX 1080 - assuming it's confirmed by reliable third parties such as TechReport - could justify the $499 figure. No excuse for the liquid cooled pricing - that's 1080 Ti territory and it clearly can't compete there, with worse performance and considerably higher TDP.

LC 1080ti's are over $800. LC 1080's are $600 and up.

 

[happy medium]

The difference won't be anywhere near that big. Volta generation probably brings ~30% improvements meaning you get GTX 1070 with GTX 1060 price range. Also, this year we'll see Pascal refresh. Volta consumer is next year.

Pascal refresh? No such thing.
I heard Volta gtx 2080/2070 in December and the rest of the gtx lineup in first quarter 2018. Should be 50%+ faster per tier.

 

[Elixer]

HAHAHAHAHHAA... Please don't post the SW stuff on social media.

So, looks like AMD will have to edit the video, perhaps now we know why they didn't (couldn't?) livestream it.

 

[tential]

LC 1080ti's are over $800. LC 1080's are $600 and up.

That's a great way of framing it if you'd like to make AMD look like the better option.

Pascal refresh? No such thing.
I heard Volta gtx 2080/2070 in December and the rest of the gtx lineup in first quarter 2018. Should be 50%+ faster per tier.

When did you upgrade to a GTX 1070....
I've heard similar reports with VERY good reasoning behind it. 4 months isn't that long....

 

[Stuka87]

In Raja's presentation so far, RX Vega was gotten out of the way at the start in literally about 30 seconds. They've since been going on for nearly an hour about the professional cards and other stuff. (Got someone on there now who did work on Rogue One.) This shows where their priorities are with Vega. Like I said, don't expect a good gaming card from AMD now, or ever again.

Also, SIGGRAPH is about content creation. So it makes sense that most of the presentation caters to that.

 

[happy medium]

LC 1080ti's are over $800. LC 1080's are $600 and up.

WHat is LC? Liquid cooled?
1080's don't need liquid cooling.
And LC 1080's boost higher and will be even faster for $600.

 

[Paratus]

So we finally get a transistor count.

Vega 10 - 12.5B @ 486mm^2 = 25.7M/mm^2
Polaris. - 5.7 B @ 232mm^2 = 24.6M/mm^2
Fury X - 8.9 B @ 596mm^2 = 14.9M/mm^2

So they increased transistor density by another 4.6% over Polaris and added another 3.6B over Fury (40%). Those additional xtors were mostly for clock speed improvements according to @Ryan Smith.

For the liquid cooled Vega that's a 59% increase in boost clock. But performance wise the rumors don't show it being 60% faster in games.

It's performing more like Fury + 40% due to the increase in xtors - 8% due to the loss of bandwidth.

Going by TPU numbers that would put it smack dab around the 1080 at 25x14 and 4K.

It would also be 25% slower than the 1080TI yet with a 3-4% larger die and transistor count. Not very impressive.

My original estimate of faster than the 1080TI was wrong due to the smaller the rumored die size and my incorrect assumption that the clock speed increase was mostly due to the node shrink and not from the xtor budget increase. That coupled with the likely budget minded decision to reduce the number of HBM stacks to 2 and slightly reduced overal bandwidth sealed the deal.

 

[Muhammed]

Let’s start with the bad news for some of you guys. The RX Vega series isn’t meant to compete against NVIDIA’s high end Pascal lineup like the Titan XP and GTX 1080 Ti. Rather, AMD is targeting the space between the GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 along with a segment slightly above the 1080 for the Vega 64 Liquid Cooler Edition.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-reveals-rx-vega-price-performance-specs.html